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CarGuru > Volkswagen > Re: Shim Shim N E 6 May 2005 05:17:23

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Re: Shim Shim N E

Tricky 4 May 2005 21:32:58
 Could the collective wisdom let us know what you think about leaving
8.1:1 as the CR, for a 'carefully' rebuilt engine.

If driven carefully (owner driver - not boy racer ! ) , what would the
MPG, HP be like for example ?

Rich



TerryB wrote:> I finaly "Made" time to work on the engine again between Ball games.> Was down in the shop till 2330 last night and back up at 0600 this> morning, so if I miss spell anything over look me.>
I got the rods degunked of cosmoline, the WD40 and an old tooth brush> worked great. Re-weighed the rods and they are very much within> tolerance for a stock engine. Lubed up the crank, rod bearings and> assembled the rods on the crank. Ok, there goes an hour, I know, I> work slow. All the rods ride smooth on the crank when the crank is> turned in the case, SWEET!>
Now on to the P/C's, I "rig" up a way of torqueing the jugs down and> take a measurement of the deck height. My number of one of my> cylinders deck height is .041 of an inch. I used Aircooled.net for the> calculator and with all the numbers plugged in I get a CR of 8.1:1. To> get the RAMVA recommended CR of 7.4 to 7.5 I need to add .040 to my> deck height. Looking on Aircooled.net, I see I have a couple options:>
1.) Standard barrel shims that go between the jug and the case. Cost> could be factored in at about $10 for a set.>
Option #2 and I am leaning more to this one, will explain later:> 2.) Copper Head Gaskets, described to be recommended for 180hp engines> and will seal the combustion chamber when used and are reusable after> annealing them. Cost factor $30 for a set of 4.>
Now, I have read on this group that the use of anything between the> head and jug in not recommended as the jug and head should form a tight> seal if all things are as they should be. But I would like to hear if> this copper gasket would still be frowned upon and why? Yea, it cost> more, but too know that the chamber is sealed means alot and the fact> that they can be reused adds to the equation in my mind.>
I have only done one cylinder and will do the rest tonight too see if> there is any differences and if I need to swap things around any. Just> want to get a feel for which direction to go. I know I could have the> piston tops shaved, but that just is not an option for me, as I think> cost would be a limiting factor.>
What sayeth the net wisdom?>
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Tricky 4 May 2005 21:43:12 permanent link ]
 I hope you dont mind me jumping in on your thread Terry.

Rich

tricky wrote:
Could the collective wisdom let us know what you think about leaving > 8.1:1 as the CR, for a 'carefully' rebuilt engine.>
If driven carefully (owner driver - not boy racer ! ) , what would the > MPG, HP be like for example ?>
Rich>
TerryB wrote:>
I finaly "Made" time to work on the engine again between Ball games.>> Was down in the shop till 2330 last night and back up at 0600 this>> morning, so if I miss spell anything over look me.>>
I got the rods degunked of cosmoline, the WD40 and an old tooth brush>> worked great. Re-weighed the rods and they are very much within>> tolerance for a stock engine. Lubed up the crank, rod bearings and>> assembled the rods on the crank. Ok, there goes an hour, I know, I>> work slow. All the rods ride smooth on the crank when the crank is>> turned in the case, SWEET!>>
Now on to the P/C's, I "rig" up a way of torqueing the jugs down and>> take a measurement of the deck height. My number of one of my>> cylinders deck height is .041 of an inch. I used Aircooled.net for the>> calculator and with all the numbers plugged in I get a CR of 8.1:1. To>> get the RAMVA recommended CR of 7.4 to 7.5 I need to add .040 to my>> deck height. Looking on Aircooled.net, I see I have a couple options:>>
1.) Standard barrel shims that go between the jug and the case. Cost>> could be factored in at about $10 for a set.>>
Option #2 and I am leaning more to this one, will explain later:>> 2.) Copper Head Gaskets, described to be recommended for 180hp engines>> and will seal the combustion chamber when used and are reusable after>> annealing them. Cost factor $30 for a set of 4.>>
Now, I have read on this group that the use of anything between the>> head and jug in not recommended as the jug and head should form a tight>> seal if all things are as they should be. But I would like to hear if>> this copper gasket would still be frowned upon and why? Yea, it cost>> more, but too know that the chamber is sealed means alot and the fact>> that they can be reused adds to the equation in my mind.>>
I have only done one cylinder and will do the rest tonight too see if>> there is any differences and if I need to swap things around any. Just>> want to get a feel for which direction to go. I know I could have the>> piston tops shaved, but that just is not an option for me, as I think>> cost would be a limiting factor.>>
What sayeth the net wisdom?>>
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Tricky 4 May 2005 22:50:16 permanent link ]
 Cost of Gas / petrol is not an issue here in the UK. Its 3 times the
price you pay and no choice of premium/regular any more .

If I could see a better MPG or safe-ish HP that would be good.

I will be biulding an engine soon, and I wondered, if I found myself in
your position, what actual difference it would make. And how high CR
would be too risky even for carfull driving.

Rich


TerryB wrote:
tricky wrote:>
I hope you dont mind me jumping in on your thread Terry.>>
Rich>>
Mind, MIND!!! Of course I mind! You topic jumper.....LOL>
I had thought the same thing, but I know that to run the higher CR,> will require top grade Petrol at the pump and with gas prices what they> are here in the South, I could pay for the shims in about 4 fillups.> Premium gas is at least 20 cents per gallon higher then regular (87> octane). Not sure I would want to go that route, unless there are> other advantages?>
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Joey Tribiani 5 May 2005 01:43:31 permanent link ]
 
"tricky" <Tricky@handmade-f9­.co.uk> wrote in message
news:eH7ee.20484$5A­3.14752@newsfe4-win.­ntli.net...> Could the collective wisdom let us know what you think about leaving> 8.1:1 as the CR, for a 'carefully' rebuilt engine.>
If driven carefully (owner driver - not boy racer ! ) , what would the> MPG, HP be like for example ?>
Rich>

borderline for a stock cam....higher static CR's are feasible because of
larger cams with more overlap.....


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