the net!) for my 1974 Superbeetle.>

Anyhow, I am going to get them mounted/etc. The "recommended tire> pressure" listed on the glove compartment door says Front - 18 psi and

Just wondering what pressures everyone else is running in a stock size

Lynn> 1974 Super>

the net!) for my 1974 Superbeetle.>

Anyhow, I am going to get them mounted/etc. The "recommended tire> pressure" listed on the glove compartment door says Front - 18 psi and

Just wondering what pressures everyone else is running in a stock size

Lynn> 1974 Super>

"Lynn Martin" <jameslynnmartin@be­llsouth.net> wrote in message> news:lXrde.122839$f­%4.97535@bignews1.be­llsouth.net...> > I just got some new Kuhmo Tires, 165/80/15, (great deals for $26 a piece> on> > the net!) for my 1974 Superbeetle.> >

Follow your Owner's Manual to the letter!>

I've read too many warnings about how you should never inflate your tires

a higher pressure than what VW says, ESPECIALLY THE FRONT TIRES!!! It's> DANGEROUS!!! You've been WARNED...TWICE.>

On my 74 super I usually run 35psi all around. I probably have the> fronts a little over-inflated, but I have never noted any abnormal wear> so I just leave it at 35.>

I think(I could be mistaken) that the pressures listed on the glovebox> door are for bias-ply tires. All I've ever run is radial tires.>

Chris>

GEEEEZ!!! You're running at 35psi all the way around??? Are you>suicidal???>

You're tires are probably rated at a maximum of 35psi. That's fine if>you're just going to leave it parked in the garage or in the shade.>

You put yourself in the car and the pressure goes up. You drive for more>than a couple of minutes and the pressure goes up more. You're probably>driving around with close to 38psi in tires rated at 35psi.>

Where in the world did you get the idea that this was an OK thing to do???>Why are you intentionally ignoring the safety ratings of your tires and the>car manufacturers recommendations???>­

where on the web did find the tires?

Follow your Owner's Manual to the letter!>

I've read too many warnings about how you should never inflate your tires > to> a higher pressure than what VW says, ESPECIALLY THE FRONT TIRES!!! It's> DANGEROUS!!! You've been WARNED...TWICE.

I just got some new Kuhmo Tires, 165/80/15, (great deals for $26 a piece on> the net!) for my 1974 Superbeetle.>

Anyhow, I am going to get them mounted/etc. The "recommended tire> pressure" listed on the glove compartment door says Front - 18 psi and Rear> 29 psi. This seems too low to me, especially in the front tires.>

Just wondering what pressures everyone else is running in a stock size tire?

GEEEEZ!!! You're running at 35psi all the way around??? Are you> suicidal???>

You're tires are probably rated at a maximum of 35psi. That's fine if> you're just going to leave it parked in the garage or in the shade.>

You put yourself in the car and the pressure goes up. You drive for more> than a couple of minutes and the pressure goes up more. You're probably> driving around with close to 38psi in tires rated at 35psi.>

Where in the world did you get the idea that this was an OK thing to do???> Why are you intentionally ignoring the safety ratings of your tires and

car manufacturers recommendations???>­

"Dan Smith" <pgmrdan@hotmail.co­m> wrote in message> news:bIyde.42166$r5­3.25669@attbi_s21...­> >

dude calm down..its obvious you are no tire tech so maybe read your

designed for...sheesh...)>

-------------------­--------------------­---> Conventional Tire Inflation Pressures (Bias ply):>

Beetle, Ghia, to December 1972; 1970 Convertible; With 1-2 persons - 16

Front, 24 psi Rear; Fully loaded - 17 psi Front, 26 psi Rear>

Super Beetle, Convertible from 1971 up to Dec. 1972; With 1-2 persons - 16> psi Front, 27 psi Rear; Fully loaded - 18 psi Front, 27 psi Rear>

All models, from Jan. 1973; With 1-2 persons - 18 psi Front, 29 psi

-------------------­------------------->­

Radial Tire Inflation Pressures (Radial ply)>

Beetle, Ghia, to December 1972; 1970 Convertible; With 1-2 persons - 18

Front, 27 psi Rear; Fully loaded - 18 psi Front, 27 psi Rear>

Super Beetle, Convertible from 1971 up to Dec. 1972; With 1-2 persons - 18> psi Front, 27 psi Rear; Fully loaded - 18 psi Front, 27 psi Rear>

All models, from Jan. 1973; With 1-2 persons - 18 psi Front, 29 psi

- NOTE: Increase the pressures in conventional bias ply tires by 3 psi for> prolonged high speeds but never exceed the maximum tire inflation pressure> designated on the tire sidewall.>

Glove compartment in my 74 super sez 18/29 for bias and radial. I was

Thanks for everyone's help!>

Lynn> 1974 Superbeetle>

"Mike64Bug" <mfkoch_REMOVE@eart­hlink.net> wrote in message> news:_EAde.3154$7F4­.2339@newsread2.news­.atl.earthlink.net..­.> > The 18/29 psi applies to the original equipment bias ply tires

I just got some new Kuhmo Tires, 165/80/15, (great deals for $26 a piece on >the net!) for my 1974 Superbeetle.>

Anyhow, I am going to get them mounted/etc. The "recommended tire >pressure" listed on the glove compartment door says Front - 18 psi and Rear >29 psi. This seems too low to me, especially in the front tires.

"Dan Smith" <pgmrdan@hotmail.co­m> wrote in message> news:bIyde.42166$r5­3.25669@attbi_s21...­> >

dude calm down..its obvious you are no tire tech so maybe read your

designed for...sheesh...)>

more>

do???>

sidewall>

with>

pressure>

Oh, and the max pressure isn't listed as a cold temp, it's listed as a max> pressure. Max means max.>

The normal car manufacturer's tire pressure recommendation is the cold> inflation pressure you're thinking of.>

Yes, while driving it's not uncommon for the tire to gain pressure in the> summer weather or in cold weather either. And that was my point. If> someone is foolish enough to air up their tires to the maximum then they> have no leeway for normal pressure increases due to load and friction.>

You also said, ""put yourself in the car the pressure> goes up" is incorrect ".>

Who are you trying to BS? Of course the tire pressure goes up as the load> increases. You're talking nonsense.>

Since you don't think tire pressure goes up as the load goes up you> definitely don't know what you're talking about.>

If I air up my tires to the car manufacturer's recommended pressures and> then I put 400 pounds of people in the car obviously the tire pressure goes> up.>

I may have been wrong for years... I learned ( I think from the AA> (AAA) ) that before a long journey, to put a couple of extra pounds in> your tyres. When they warm up, they soften and need more air.

The sticker is correct. You could add a couple of pounds to each,> especially if the car is heavily loaded, but don't inflate it the same> as your Chevy. The reason the front tires get so little pressure is> that they have so little weight on them.>

The sticker is correct. You could add a couple of pounds to each,> especially if the car is heavily loaded, but don't inflate it the same> as your Chevy. The reason the front tires get so little pressure is> that they have so little weight on them.>

-> -------------------­--------------------­--------> Jim Adney jadney@vwtype3.org>­ Madison, WI 53711 USA> -------------------­--------------------­--------

As for loading up your car, 'my' thoughts were, a given volume of air in > a given space, give a constant pressure. For it to go up 'much' when > you load the car, you would have to see a serious flat spot (less space) > on the bottom of the tyre.>

I havent looked recently, but I thought the MAX pressure was like 135psi > or something way up there ?>

Just my thoughts>

Rich>

Dan Smith wrote:>

"Joey Tribiani" <noway@home.com> wrote in message> news:f7Cde.1260$sy6­.76@lakeread04...> >

So Joey, are you saying the tire manufacturer knows more about the air> pressure I should have in my tires than the car manufacturer knows?

My point is 35psi is a lot of pressure over the recommended front tire> pressure on the car. Are you saying this is OK? Because it's not. It's> flat out dangerous. It's almost double the recommended pressure. It's> unsafe. It's WRONG!>

So don't tell me my point is wrong.>

"Dan Smith" <pgmrdan@hotmail.co­m> wrote in message> news:qqCde.43596$c2­4.10859@attbi_s72...­> >

learn to comprehend what you read...i never said anything remotely similar> to what you said above...>

your point was wrong...exactly what i responded to was wrong....couldn't

anymore wrong...re-read it and don't take it personal...ignoranc­e is lack

knowledge and apparently when it comes to tires you do lack that> knowledge...putting­ weight in the vehicle will not increase

Wrong!

Well... it's tough to argue with an intelligent argument like that.> *watches tumbleweed blow by*>

"Stupid people are funny." - me

"Shag" <travist67_REMOVETH­IS_@gmail.com> wrote in message>news:a54g71­leh9gmfmen5nvrj4119b­qsgfaing@4ax.com...>­> On Tue, 03 May 2005 23:59:13 GMT, "Dan Smith" <pgmrdan@hotmail.co­m>>> wrote:>>

I prefer the following:>

"Stupid people are dangerous.">

What are you smoking???>

According to what you're saying I can't pop a balloon by stepping on it.>

Dream on!>

I prefer the following:>

"Stupid people are dangerous.">

"Dan Smith" <pgmrdan@hotmail.co­m> wrote in message> news:jhUde.50664$c2­4.50002@attbi_s72...­> >

no sir...your reading comprehension and single digit IQ have comdemned

to ignorance....the balloon thing is actually a very good example of what

am saying....if you step on the balloon it will pop...we all know

Anyhow, I am going to get them mounted/etc. The "recommended tire> pressure" listed on the glove compartment door says Front - 18 psi and Rear> 29 psi. This seems too low to me, especially in the front tires.>

Just wondering what pressures everyone else is running in a stock size tire?

as a follow up, please Dan-d-man tell me why a helium balloon will burst> when you release it into the "sky"?....the pressure inside the balloon> decreases the higher it goes..but it still ruptures....or can you not wrap> your brain cell around this either?

A bird flew into it?

I run 19 front/27 rear, just like the glovebox sticker says.>165/80 tires on a '72 Super.>

-->Scott>

No Dan, I am not suicidal. ;) The sidewall on my tires says maximum> inflation 44psi.

True. The pressure inside the balloon lowers as the atmospheric pressures> lowers, and the ballooon ruptures because it expands beyond its elasticity> (elasticity is lost mostly due to stretching but also in part by the low> temperature of the environment), but what's the point of the observation?> How does it relate to Dan's position?>

it relates simply because dan is proposing that stepping on a balloon will> in essence *raise* the pressure till it pops...it won't...the pressure> inside is just displaced from under the foot and the balloon stretches > until> the surface ruptures

"Joey Tribiani" <noway@home.com> wrote in message >news:gibee.1396$sy­6.247@lakeread04...>­

He is right. If stepping on the balloon causes the skin to exceed its >capacity, then it behaves just as it would if it were at a high altitude, >and for the same reasons.>

"Joey Tribiani" <noway@home.com> wrote in message> news:gibee.1396$sy6­.247@lakeread04...>

He is right. If stepping on the balloon causes the skin to exceed its> capacity, then it behaves just as it would if it were at a high altitude,> and for the same reasons.>

you are semi-correct...whic­h is the whole point...can you follow me?> stepping on the balloon puts MORE force on the outside(pressure)..­..high> altitude puts less.... can't see how that would be it failing for "the > same> reasons"....the "opposite" I could see,

You are funny.>

"Stupid people are funny." - me

$sy6.563@lakeread04­...> >

as a follow up, please Dan-d-man tell me why a helium balloon will burst> when you release it into the "sky"?....the pressure inside the balloon> decreases the higher it goes..but it still ruptures....or can you not wrap> your brain cell around this either?>

"Lorem Ipsum" <Lorem@ipsum.xxx> wrote in message> news:117i53tr1kps38­@news.supernews.com.­..> > [... attributes lost ...]> > > as a follow up, please Dan-d-man tell me why a helium balloon will

it relates simply because dan is proposing that stepping on a balloon will> in essence *raise* the pressure till it pops...it won't...the pressure> inside is just displaced from under the foot and the balloon stretches

Who are you, his boyfriend? (I typed up a much less flame-worthy> response to your post until I realized I didn't know why I bothered.)>

"Stupid people are funny." - me

And just what do you think causes it to stretch??? PRESSURE!!!

Yep. The altitude and balloon thing shouldn't even have been in the thread> because it has nothing to do in reality with the tire issue.>

"Lorem Ipsum" <Lorem@ipsum.xxx> wrote

Well, it sort of is similar. As the balloon rises the pressure outside > the> balloon drops. The skin of the balloon can't contain the higher pressure> [...]

I'm not going to go into the calculus supporting this. You're just going >to>have to research that yourself.

Don't trouble JT with facts. He doesn't understand the meaning of the> concept.>

Gee Shaggie! I've never seen you like this.>

What's wrong? You're mig welder go belly up?>

No, welder is doing fine. It's a character flaw of mine to enjoy> being able to pull a string and watching the funny clown attached to> the string dance for me. *tug* Dance for me little clown... *tug*> Dance! *grin* Oh, by the way, you still haven't learned. You> misspelled "your" again... AGAIN. Silly clown. ­ *tug*>

"Stupid people are funny." - me

No, welder is doing fine. It's a character flaw of mine to enjoy> being able to pull a string and watching the funny clown attached to> the string dance for me. *tug* Dance for me little clown... *tug*> Dance! *grin*

"Shag" <travist67_REMOVETH­IS_@gmail.com> wrote in message >news:kgfl719nlcqla­n24edh8k4tecgf1c76s6­e@4ax.com...>

You have one character flaw? That ain't bad. Unfortunately, it's the only >character you have. One-note Shag. It would be a pity if you were smart >enough to know, but you don't so we all laugh in your place.>

*tug* *wave*

No, welder is doing fine. It's a character flaw of mine to enjoy> being able to pull a string and watching the funny clown attached to> the string dance for me. *tug* Dance for me little clown... *tug*> Dance! *grin* Oh, by the way, you still haven't learned. You> misspelled "your" again... AGAIN. Silly clown. ­ *tug*>

"Stupid people are funny." - me

You're hilarious! ^^^^^^>

Hell, this is grade school level science.>

yappity yap

you step on a> balloon and the "pressure"> your foot puts on the surface does not change the pressure *inside* the> balloon, as you wrongfully stated.....it *displaces* it and causes the> fucking balloon to stretch....got it? [...]

"Stupid people are funny." - Shaggie>

"Joey and Shaggie are hilarious." - Dan>

In this case of the bursting balloon you are wrong. If you put a gauge in> the balloon you will see a rise in pressure when you step on it. Why?> Because the balloon is near enough its maximum expansion to burst when> stepped upon - it does not expand easily enough or fast enough for the air> to be displaced so the air pressure does rise considerably, then the walls> pop.>

Yes - that's where you went wrong in the case of the balloon. In this case> you would have to squash an underrated tire one hell of a lot to burst it.

am sure you have seen it happen at least once.>

Yep. Those tires are rated/built to the task. It is too bad the balloon

go to google...read the thread again...i am pretty tired of repeating > myself> over and over so you fucksticks can nitpick....i even stated that the> pressure INSIDE The balloon would increase *initially*....but it stretches> and has a NET GAIN of NOTHING....

[...] BUT according to dan my tires should> explode when i drive down the road...they have a MAXIMUM rating of > 50psi....> and he says that you can never have more than that... [...]

"Lorem Ipsum" <Lorem@ipsum.xxx> wrote in message> news:117moeu49ipbp9­c@news.supernews.com­...> > "Joey Tribiani" <noway@home.com> wrote in message> > news:23Gee.2444$sy6­.1234@lakeread04...>­ >

i agree with you on the balloon being irrelevant, that was a spin by dan

try and save face, did not work....BUT according to dan my tires should> explode when i drive down the road...they have a MAXIMUM rating of

pounds...then add the weight and according to Dan i should be on my rims

now....>

"Dan Smith" <pgmrdan@hotmail.co­m> wrote in message> news:YhIee.59786$WI­3.14237@attbi_s71...­> > > >

dan don't be upset everytime you put your foot in your big mouth...you

"Joey Tribiani" <noway@home.com> wrote in message> news:r5Pee.2478$sy6­.563@lakeread04...>

Gain of nothing because it burst! At the moment before the burst, the> pressure was higher than before.>

"Lorem Ipsum" <Lorem@ipsum.xxx> wrote in message> news:117nm4sv9sci23­@news.supernews.com.­..> >

get you a balloon with a schrader valve and show us.....>

Air is a gas, which when heated, expands.> On race cars, tire pressures are sometimes critical. You put a certain> pressure in the tires before the race,> and when you immediately measure the tire pressure during the first> seconds of pitstop, you will find that the tire pressures have increased> by 50% easily.> Granted, in that environment the race slicks also get much hotter than> you'd ever see your street tires get...>

Jan (Race car mechanic)

"Lorem Ipsum" <Lorem@ipsum.xxx> wrote in message>news:117pjb­e3vfc4cbf@news.super­news.com...>> I know it has nothing to do with this thread, but it reminds me of news>> articles many years ago where people were killed inflating or installing>> truck tires on "split rims". The rim or something exploded. What was that>> all about?>>

split rims are as the name implies, split...usually two pieces but sometimes>three..(c­enter section and outter "beadlocks"...)....­they are used on heavy>equipment....­very dangerous to the tire installer(can fly apart and severly>injure or kill the person inflating/assemblin­g them)....do a google search>and you will have more than you ever cared to know, i'm sure...>

...........snip....­.........our 1965 Ford F-700 dump truck.>

They are usually dangerous only when damaged or incorrectly installed.> I know anecdotal evidence isn't statistically valid, but we've never> had any issues with the tires and split rims on our 1965 Ford F-700> dump truck. For what that is worth (which ain't much!:~)>

"John Willis" <jdwillis12357@airm­ail.net> wrote in message>news:krtp71­l9v51q1b00n92c313mg3­d8ftoedt@4ax.com...>­>

..............So you do too know that Ford trucks are built Ford tough!>Aren't you one of the ones here that once said that chevie trucks are>better?>

gotcha>

­>

Depends on what time period you are talking about. Comparing a 3/4 ton> 1972 Chevy to a 3/4 ton 1980 Ford, and I'll say it all day long that> particular Chevy is a better truck than that particular Ford.

How do you remember all that stuff> about who's posted what so long ago?>

in a 1/2 ton truck i'd take a chevy anyday....if you need a one ton deisel> i'd take a ford powerstroke....had some bad chevy 3500HD with the 6.5T> deisel...blech...

The realy sad part here is that is infact you who are wrong!! You are> simply not using an accurate enough gauge...

Simple physics.. And tire design..

Can you agree that cylinder> pressure increases when the piston moves upwards with valves close? Same> thing with a tire being loaded, but the walls flex more(Cylinder walls> flex too, just on a nano scale..)

Now before you go ranting and spweing more threads using swearwords and> name calling, just relax sit down and think about what I just wrote...

By the way, same goes for a baloon, step on it and pressure will> increase before it bursts, although on a minute scale..>

You all have a good one.>

Jшrn Berg.

sure i can agree with that and it is apples to oranges...a tire is > *RUBBER*

Tires haven't been made of rubber for a long, long time.>

"JJS" <jjs@Nowhere.thanks­.com> wrote in message> news:117ttpbjofdavd­c@news.supernews.com­...>

no need John...its obvious to me that the National institute for > Automotive> Service Excellence should have never given me my certification years ago > and> the Yokohama engineers knew about jackshit about the classes on tire> construction/fuctio­n/etc....

Come on, Chris. I never infered any such thing. Please read what I wrote >with optimism rather than pessimism.>

Is anyone else having trouble with RAMVA where they see posts that are>obviously mixed up like the one above? Next I suppose I'll see a post>that says it's from Speedy Jim asking how to replace a fuse or one>from Chris showing off his new moped, or one from Tim Rogers talking>about how The South will rise again.

question... Will running 30+9.5 tires at 33/34 lbs instead of 29 lbs> like the door sticker call for cause them to feather/scallop?> Joe Carroll>

2K-TJ>

There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."> Joseph Duemer

No. It can just cause more wear in the center of the tire because the>outside edges don't touch the road in a straight drive.>

Scalloping is due to bad balance or bad shocks.

No. It can just cause more wear in the center of the tire because the>outside edges don't touch the road in a straight drive.>

Scalloping is due to bad balance or bad shocks.>

2K-TJ>

There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."> Joseph Duemer

-- > Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California>

I have to disagree strongly though on what the Tire Makers will give you. > They will ONLY give you the max pressure ant the max loading, they will > not give you anything else. Okay, "some" might give more information, but > they are the exception rather than the rule.

"Joe Carroll" <jdcarroll2@earthli­nk.net> wrote in message > news:1if8k15pci19s3­elssj3hovqmlhq3bmagb­@4ax.com...>> On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:45:08 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.­ca>>> wrote:>>

I can reccoments shocks NOT to get. Do not get Gas filled shocks.

I was referring to the Jeep recommended tire pressure that's listed on> the door. The vehicle came with 215/75R15 tires with a recommendation> of 33psi cold. I changed to 30+9.5 15 and the tire people put 33lbs> in them also. When I checked a similar jeep that came with 30+9.5 15> the door sticker from jeep recommended 29psi cold. These tires> feathered out after about three months and I was just trying to> determine the cause. The shocks don't seem to be in bad shape and I've> set the> toe -in to 1/8 myself. The tires are Duller AT Revos which are great> except for the wap,wap wap sound the tires now make. I understand that> off road tires will make more noise but that noise should be a> consistent sound, not a variable.> Thanks for all the help/comments> Joe Carroll>

2K-TJ>

There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."> Joseph Duemer

I can reccoments shocks NOT to get. Do not get Gas filled shocks.

FWIW, I have Dueler Revos on both my XJ & YJ, and they are quite quiet. I >would recommend a complete 4 wheel alignment since you have altered the >physics of the suspension with oversize tires. Bad ball joints and front >suspension parts can also cause cupping and feathering, as well as a bent >frame.

FWIW, I have Dueler Revos on both my XJ & YJ, and they are quite quiet. I > would recommend a complete 4 wheel alignment since you have altered the > physics of the suspension with oversize tires. Bad ball joints and front > suspension parts can also cause cupping and feathering, as well as a bent > frame.

Ok, how do I get a complete 4 wheel alignment on a 2000 TJ when the> only setting to work on is the toe_in?> Joe Carroll>

2K-TJ>

There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."> Joseph Duemer

Hi all,

I have a 2004 Mustang with the V6 that came with the 16 inch wheels.

Along the way someone changed out the wheels for 17 inch. The tire size

is now 245/45 ZR 17/99W. Does anyone have any suggestions on what would

be a good tire pressure to use with this tire / wheel combination ? Thanks

for reading my post.

Big Duke

My tires say 32 lbs. while the door sticker says 28 lbs.

"goodnigh" <goodnigh1@mindspri­ng.com> wrote in message

news:13ho4dka0n46oc­1@corp.supernews.com­...

The pressure listed on the tire's sidewall is the maximum pressure,

not the recommended pressure for a particular application.