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Diagnose this Turn Indicator Problem
Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott 12 April 2005 22:57:45
	Okay electrical wizards, here we go with this month's Diagnosis Derby. 71 bus (mine, actually). Turn indicator assembly is a bit loose on the steering column, so it is possible to rotate it fore and aft a bit. If it is not exactly in the right location (9 o' clock) a problem can occur. This happens after using the turn indicator and then switching it back to the middle position. Instead of just shutting off, like a good turn indicator should, it goes into "fast blinker" mode. Fiddling with the turn indicator assembly and rotating it back to 9 o' clock or thereabouts fixes the problem. -- Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott 71 Type 2: the Wonderbus 84 Westfalia: "Mellow Yellow (The Electrical Banana)" KG6RCR
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Speedy Jim 13 April 2005 00:19:04 [ permanent link ]
	Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott wrote: Okay electrical wizards, here we go with this month's Diagnosis Derby.> 71 bus (mine, actually). Turn indicator assembly is a bit loose on the > steering column, so it is possible to rotate it fore and aft a bit.> If it is not exactly in the right location (9 o' clock) a problem can > occur. This happens after using the turn indicator and then switching it > back to the middle position. Instead of just shutting off, like a good > turn indicator should, it goes into "fast blinker" mode. Fiddling with > the turn indicator assembly and rotating it back to 9 o' clock or > thereabouts fixes the problem.> '71 switches the rear lights between turn and stop functions. If the switch hangs mid-position, it can still energize the front turns but have no bulb connected in the rear. Too little current and the flasher goes into fast mode. Speedy Jim http://www.nls.net/mp/volks/
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Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott 13 April 2005 03:35:59 [ permanent link ]
	On 4/12/2005 1:19 PM Speedy Jim wrote: Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott wrote:> Okay electrical wizards, here we go with this month's Diagnosis Derby.>> 71 bus (mine, actually). Turn indicator assembly is a bit loose on the >> steering column, so it is possible to rotate it fore and aft a bit.>> If it is not exactly in the right location (9 o' clock) a problem can >> occur. This happens after using the turn indicator and then switching >> it back to the middle position. Instead of just shutting off, like a >> good turn indicator should, it goes into "fast blinker" mode. Fiddling >> with the turn indicator assembly and rotating it back to 9 o' clock or >> thereabouts fixes the problem.>> '71 switches the rear lights between turn and stop> functions. If the switch hangs mid-position, it can> still energize the front turns but have no bulb> connected in the rear. Too little current and the> flasher goes into fast mode. Okay -- what's that got to do with the fact that the system goes into fast mode when the the turn signal is set to middle (off) position but the whole turn signal switch assembly is rotated a bit clockwise or counterclockwise on the steering column. It still switches to middle position, but the light! the lights! They blink! -- Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott 71 Type 2: the Wonderbus 84 Westfalia: "Mellow Yellow (The Electrical Banana)" KG6RCR
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Speedy Jim 13 April 2005 03:53:27 [ permanent link ]
	On 4/12/2005 1:19 PM Speedy Jim wrote: Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott wrote:> Okay electrical wizards, here we go with this month's Diagnosis Derby.>> 71 bus (mine, actually). Turn indicator assembly is a bit loose on the >> steering column, so it is possible to rotate it fore and aft a bit.>> If it is not exactly in the right location (9 o' clock) a problem can >> occur. This happens after using the turn indicator and then switching >> it back to the middle position. Instead of just shutting off, like a >> good turn indicator should, it goes into "fast blinker" mode. Fiddling >> with the turn indicator assembly and rotating it back to 9 o' clock or >> thereabouts fixes the problem.>> '71 switches the rear lights between turn and stop> functions. If the switch hangs mid-position, it can> still energize the front turns but have no bulb> connected in the rear. Too little current and the> flasher goes into fast mode. Okay -- what's that got to do with the fact that the system goes into fast mode when the the turn signal is set to middle (off) position but the whole turn signal switch assembly is rotated a bit clockwise or counterclockwise on the steering column. It still switches to middle position, but the light! the lights! They blink! -- Dunno.. Something is dragging mechanically from the column to the switch mech? Doesn't the whole switch assy come off by taking 2 screws out? I'd have a look. IIRC, the fix for switch that won't stay put is to wrap the column with elec tape before tightening. (Not making that up.) Speedy Jim http://www.nls.net/mp/volks/
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Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott 13 April 2005 09:45:43 [ permanent link ]
	On 4/12/2005 4:53 PM Speedy Jim wrote: On 4/12/2005 1:19 PM Speedy Jim wrote:> Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott wrote:>> Okay electrical wizards, here we go with this month's Diagnosis Derby.>>> 71 bus (mine, actually). Turn indicator assembly is a bit loose on >>> the steering column, so it is possible to rotate it fore and aft a bit.>>> If it is not exactly in the right location (9 o' clock) a problem can >>> occur. This happens after using the turn indicator and then switching >>> it back to the middle position. Instead of just shutting off, like a >>> good turn indicator should, it goes into "fast blinker" mode. >>> Fiddling with the turn indicator assembly and rotating it back to 9 >>> o' clock or thereabouts fixes the problem.>>> '71 switches the rear lights between turn and stop>> functions. If the switch hangs mid-position, it can>> still energize the front turns but have no bulb>> connected in the rear. Too little current and the>> flasher goes into fast mode.> Okay -- what's that got to do with the fact that the system goes into> fast mode when the the turn signal is set to middle (off) position but> the whole turn signal switch assembly is rotated a bit clockwise or> counterclockwise on the steering column. It still switches to middle> position, but the light! the lights! They blink!> -- > Dunno.. Something is dragging mechanically from the> column to the switch mech?> Doesn't the whole switch assy come off by taking 2 screws out?> I'd have a look. Will do, hope to learn something, will post if I do, hope to add to Body of Knowledge. IIRC, the fix for switch that won't stay put is to wrap> the column with elec tape before tightening.> (Not making that up.) ANYTHING technique that involves wrapping something with electrical tape has gotta be considered with respect. -- Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott 71 Type 2: the Wonderbus 84 Westfalia: "Mellow Yellow (The Electrical Banana)" KG6RCR
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Juper Wort 13 April 2005 17:34:04 [ permanent link ]
	Okay -- what's that got to do with the fact that the system goes into> fast mode when the the turn signal is set to middle (off) position but> the whole turn signal switch assembly is rotated a bit clockwise or> counterclockwise on the steering column. It still switches to middle> position, but the light! the lights! They blink!> -- > Dunno.. Something is dragging mechanically from the> column to the switch mech?> Doesn't the whole switch assy come off by taking 2 screws out?> I'd have a look.> IIRC, the fix for switch that won't stay put is to wrap> the column with elec tape before tightening.> (Not making that up.)> Speedy Jim ....also solves the 'Horn won't shut up' Mode as well..... James
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Jim Adney 15 April 2005 04:36:19 [ permanent link ]
	On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:35:59 -0700 "Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott" <j.michael.elliottAT@REMOVETHEOBVIOUSgmailDOT.com> wrote: Okay -- what's that got to do with the fact that the system goes into >fast mode when the the turn signal is set to middle (off) position but >the whole turn signal switch assembly is rotated a bit clockwise or >counterclockwise on the steering column. It still switches to middle >position, but the light! the lights! They blink! There are 2 possibilities: Only 1 of the lights are blinking, so the current drawn is low, or The switch is making poor contact thus the extra resistance reduces the total current drawn. Either way, the flasher relay is sensitive to the amount of current drawn, and if that current falls below its threshold the flasher rate jumps to the fast mode. - ----------------------------------------------- Jim Adney jadney@vwtype3.org Madison, WI 53711 USA -----------------------------------------------
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Ilambert 16 April 2005 16:49:57 [ permanent link ]
	Right.Electrical tape is not the correct technique.Duct tape is! "Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott" <j.michael.elliottAT@REMOVETHEOBVIOUSgmailDOT.com> wrote in message news:wfadnawx0sGaL8HfRVn-ow@adelphia.com...> On 4/12/2005 4:53 PM Speedy Jim wrote:> On 4/12/2005 1:19 PM Speedy Jim wrote:>> Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott wrote:>>> Okay electrical wizards, here we go with this month's Diagnosis Derby.>>>> 71 bus (mine, actually). Turn indicator assembly is a bit loose on the >>>> steering column, so it is possible to rotate it fore and aft a bit.>>>> If it is not exactly in the right location (9 o' clock) a problem can >>>> occur. This happens after using the turn indicator and then switching >>>> it back to the middle position. Instead of just shutting off, like a >>>> good turn indicator should, it goes into "fast blinker" mode. Fiddling >>>> with the turn indicator assembly and rotating it back to 9 o' clock or >>>> thereabouts fixes the problem.>>>> '71 switches the rear lights between turn and stop>>> functions. If the switch hangs mid-position, it can>>> still energize the front turns but have no bulb>>> connected in the rear. Too little current and the>>> flasher goes into fast mode.>> Okay -- what's that got to do with the fact that the system goes into>> fast mode when the the turn signal is set to middle (off) position but>> the whole turn signal switch assembly is rotated a bit clockwise or>> counterclockwise on the steering column. It still switches to middle>> position, but the light! the lights! They blink!>> -- >> Dunno.. Something is dragging mechanically from the>> column to the switch mech?>> Doesn't the whole switch assy come off by taking 2 screws out?>> I'd have a look.> Will do, hope to learn something, will post if I do, hope to add to Body > of Knowledge.> IIRC, the fix for switch that won't stay put is to wrap>> the column with elec tape before tightening.>> (Not making that up.)> ANYTHING technique that involves wrapping something with electrical tape > has gotta be considered with respect.> -- > Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott> 71 Type 2: the Wonderbus> 84 Westfalia: "Mellow Yellow (The Electrical Banana)"> KG6RCR
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