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OT - California death penalty problem

Art 27 February 2006 21:46:28
 California had to put off an execution today because they need a new means
to do it and no doctor would agree to participate. Why not just have the
prisoner go hunting with Cheney.


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Offen Rong 23 February 2006 06:10:32 [ permanent link ]
 
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE­@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:1q9Lf.2060$F56­.1709@newsread3.news­.atl.earthlink.net..­.> California had to put off an execution today because they need a new means > to do it and no doctor would agree to participate. Why not just have the > prisoner go hunting with Cheney.
Or send him by an abortion clinic!


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Built_Well 23 February 2006 06:41:49 [ permanent link ]
 Art wrote:
California had to put off an execution today because they need a new> means to do it and no doctor would agree to participate. Why not just> have the prisoner go hunting with Cheney.


That's a hoot!

Even though Cheney chickened out of fighting "Charlie" in
Vietnam, I guess Cheney now knows what "friendly fire" means.
But not as well as Whittington knows the meaning of friendly fire.

Hmm, anybody know why the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong were
called "Charlie"?

"Charlie don't surf, and we want him to"--The Clash

Charlie taught us a lesson or two, didn't he. Ho Chi Minh, the
George Washington of Vietnam. I mean we were like King George over
there. They were just fighting for their independence, much as we
were 200 years ago.

The French helped us in 1776, and I guess the Ruskies helped
the Vietnamese--supplyi­ng all those weapons to Charlie, but Charlie
did all the fighting.

Well, enough war talk. Thank goodness, we're all friends today.

Well, we were friends till that chicken hawk Coke-in-Chief Bush
came along. Coke heads are always trouble...
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Mark A 23 February 2006 08:39:45 [ permanent link ]
 "Built_Well" <bw@bbbb.com> wrote in message
news:YuidnYg0Jf4zs2­DeRVn-rQ@sysmatrix.n­et...>
The French helped us in 1776, and I guess the Ruskies helped> the Vietnamese--supplyi­ng all those weapons to Charlie, but Charlie> did all the fighting.

The French FUBAR'ed Vietnam from about 1850 until 1954, slaughtering every
non-communist member of the independence movement, until there was no one
left but the Communists.

Ho Chi Minh was a strong American ally during WWII against the Japanese, and
at the end of the war Ho asked Roosevelt (and later Truman) for their
blessing for Vietnamese independence from French imperialism. The idiot
Democrats refused, and then Democrats Kennedy and Johnson got us into the
war.


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Sharx35 23 February 2006 09:10:22 [ permanent link ]
 
"Mark A" <nobody@nowhere.com­> wrote in message
news:VMednebO17sA12­DenZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@c­omcast.com...> "Built_Well" <bw@bbbb.com> wrote in message > news:YuidnYg0Jf4zs2­DeRVn-rQ@sysmatrix.n­et...>>
The French helped us in 1776, and I guess the Ruskies helped>> the Vietnamese--supplyi­ng all those weapons to Charlie, but Charlie>> did all the fighting.>
The French FUBAR'ed Vietnam from about 1850 until 1954, slaughtering every > non-communist member of the independence movement, until there was no one > left but the Communists.>
Ho Chi Minh was a strong American ally during WWII against the Japanese, > and at the end of the war Ho asked Roosevelt (and later Truman) for their > blessing for Vietnamese independence from French imperialism. The idiot > Democrats refused, and then Democrats Kennedy and Johnson got us into the > war.

Yup, that's it. Stand by for DEMONrat ranting.



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The Benevolent dbu 23 February 2006 12:32:41 [ permanent link ]
 In article <1q9Lf.2060$F56.170­9@newsread3.news.atl­.earthlink.net>,
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE­@mindspring.com> wrote:
California had to put off an execution today because they need a new means > to do it and no doctor would agree to participate. Why not just have the > prisoner go hunting with Cheney.

the death penalty sucks big time. They should do away with it for
several reasons.

Your last remark was yet another uncalled for slam against a good decent
man. Do you ever have anything good to say about anyone. You must be a
grouch around the house.
--
"Welcome to President Clinton, Mrs. Clinton, and my fellow astronauts."

Al Gore
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Badgolferman 23 February 2006 15:36:37 [ permanent link ]
 The Benevolent dbu, 2/23/2006, 4:32:41 AM,
<relaxan.d-7514AC.0­3323323022006@news-r­dr-01.rdc-kc.rr.com>­ wrote:
the death penalty sucks big time. They should do away with it for > several reasons.

The only thing wrong is how the murderer has more rights than the
victim.

--
“The reason there are so few female politicians is that it is too much
trouble to put makeup on two faces.” ~ Maureen Murphy
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FanJet 23 February 2006 16:02:08 [ permanent link ]
 Mark A wrote:> "Built_Well" <bw@bbbb.com> wrote in message> news:YuidnYg0Jf4zs2­DeRVn-rQ@sysmatrix.n­et...>>
The French helped us in 1776, and I guess the Ruskies helped>> the Vietnamese--supplyi­ng all those weapons to Charlie, but Charlie>> did all the fighting.>
The French FUBAR'ed Vietnam from about 1850 until 1954, slaughtering> every non-communist member of the independence movement, until there> was no one left but the Communists.>
Ho Chi Minh was a strong American ally during WWII against the> Japanese, and at the end of the war Ho asked Roosevelt (and later> Truman) for their blessing for Vietnamese independence from French> imperialism. The idiot Democrats refused, and then Democrats Kennedy> and Johnson got us into the war.

So idiot bush/cheney/rice & Iraq is Republican payback?


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FanJet 23 February 2006 16:22:44 [ permanent link ]
 The Benevolent dbu wrote:> In article <1q9Lf.2060$F56.170­9@newsread3.news.atl­.earthlink.net>,> "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE­@mindspring.com> wrote:>
California had to put off an execution today because they need a new>> means to do it and no doctor would agree to participate. Why not>> just have the prisoner go hunting with Cheney.>
the death penalty sucks big time. They should do away with it for> several reasons.>
Your last remark was yet another uncalled for slam against a good> decent man.

It's certainly a stretch to call a war mongering (oh, sorry, *I* can't
serve) neocon good or decent.
The obvious pointed out, it's clear cheney's shooting incident is and was a
non-issue. It doesn't even matter whether or not they both falling-over
drunk. The whole thing is just a non-issue. Who cares?



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Learning Richard 23 February 2006 16:29:38 [ permanent link ]
 
FanJet wrote:> The Benevolent dbu wrote:> > In article <1q9Lf.2060$F56.170­9@newsread3.news.atl­.earthlink.net>,> > "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE­@mindspring.com> wrote:> >
California had to put off an execution today because they need a new> >> means to do it and no doctor would agree to participate. Why not> >> just have the prisoner go hunting with Cheney.> >
the death penalty sucks big time. They should do away with it for> > several reasons.

yeah.
Your last remark was yet another uncalled for slam against a good> > decent man.

***violence<bs><bs>­<bs><bs>ins***
It's certainly a stretch to call a war mongering (oh, sorry, *I* can't> serve) neocon good or decent.

he sure is meaningless nowadays though, isn't he?
The obvious pointed out, it's clear cheney's shooting incident is and was a> non-issue. It doesn't even matter whether or not they both falling-over> drunk. The whole thing is just a non-issue. Who cares?

I don't but buddy -- there's no way I'm going hunting with duh-bu.

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The Benevolent dbu 23 February 2006 18:07:07 [ permanent link ]
 In article <xn0eitfa02vkshi001­@news.readfreenews.n­et>,
"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfe­rman@gmail.com> wrote:
The Benevolent dbu, 2/23/2006, 4:32:41 AM,> <relaxan.d-7514AC.0­3323323022006@news-r­dr-01.rdc-kc.rr.com>­ wrote:>
the death penalty sucks big time. They should do away with it for > > several reasons.>
The only thing wrong is how the murderer has more rights than the> victim.

I'd be more in favor if it were applied fairly across the board and they
could settle on a method. It's really something to see the asinine
haggling going on. Latest being a couple of doctors walk out at the
last minute delaying the outcome for another agonizing 24 hours for the
families involved.

The whole death penalty stinks as bad as the high crime of murder.
--
"Welcome to President Clinton, Mrs. Clinton, and my fellow astronauts."

Al Gore
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Art 23 February 2006 19:41:21 [ permanent link ]
 Too bad Bush didn't learn anything from mistakes made in Vietnam.


"FanJet" <FanJet27@hotmail.c­om> wrote in message
news:43fdb23c$0$250­86$4d3efbfe@news.sov­er.net...> Mark A wrote:>> "Built_Well" <bw@bbbb.com> wrote in message>> news:YuidnYg0Jf4zs2­DeRVn-rQ@sysmatrix.n­et...>>>
The French helped us in 1776, and I guess the Ruskies helped>>> the Vietnamese--supplyi­ng all those weapons to Charlie, but Charlie>>> did all the fighting.>>
The French FUBAR'ed Vietnam from about 1850 until 1954, slaughtering>> every non-communist member of the independence movement, until there>> was no one left but the Communists.>>
Ho Chi Minh was a strong American ally during WWII against the>> Japanese, and at the end of the war Ho asked Roosevelt (and later>> Truman) for their blessing for Vietnamese independence from French>> imperialism. The idiot Democrats refused, and then Democrats Kennedy>> and Johnson got us into the war.>
So idiot bush/cheney/rice & Iraq is Republican payback?>


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Sharx35 23 February 2006 20:35:46 [ permanent link ]
 
"Learning Richard" <learningrichard@gm­ail.com> wrote in message
news:1140701378.898­450.96700@g44g2000cw­a.googlegroups.com..­.>
FanJet wrote:>> The Benevolent dbu wrote:>> > In article <1q9Lf.2060$F56.170­9@newsread3.news.atl­.earthlink.net>,>> > "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE­@mindspring.com> wrote:>> >
California had to put off an execution today because they need a new>> >> means to do it and no doctor would agree to participate. Why not>> >> just have the prisoner go hunting with Cheney.>> >
the death penalty sucks big time. They should do away with it for>> > several reasons.>
yeah.>
Your last remark was yet another uncalled for slam against a good>> > decent man.>
***violence<bs><bs>­<bs><bs>ins***>
It's certainly a stretch to call a war mongering (oh, sorry, *I* can't>> serve) neocon good or decent.>
he sure is meaningless nowadays though, isn't he?>
The obvious pointed out, it's clear cheney's shooting incident is and was >> a>> non-issue. It doesn't even matter whether or not they both falling-over>> drunk. The whole thing is just a non-issue. Who cares?>
I don't but buddy -- there's no way I'm going hunting with duh-bu.

I'd have NO problem doing the injections on the DEMONrats in this ng. NO
PROBLEM at all.



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Built_Well 23 February 2006 20:46:17 [ permanent link ]
 Mark A. wrote:>
The French FUBAR'ed Vietnam from about 1850 until 1954..."


I can't disagree with you there. You probably know we
were funding the French war effort in 'Nam near the end, providing
the French with a large percentage of their weaponry
and/or funding. We were footing the bill for something like
80 or 90 percent (perhaps more) of the French's war effort against
the Vietnamese near the end--until France pulled out of 'Nam
around 1954 when they lost big-time at Dien Bien Phu. Then *WE*
took over--or tried taking over.

But I disagree with you that Kennedy got us into the
war. You're forgetting the Eisenhower transition between
1954 and Kennedy's tenure starting in 1961.

Just before Kennedy was assassinated in '63, the U.S.
had only about
16 thousand "advisers" in Vietnam, teaching the
"South Vietnamese" how to kill Charlie. Sixteen thousand
advisers is a far cry from Lyndon Johnson's half-a-million
regular combat troops in Vietnam at any one time.

Late in '63, Kennedy had his Defense Secretary McNamara
announce from the steps of the White House (not from the Pentagon)
that we would begin removing those advisors from Vietnam, beginning
with the first one-thousand to come home over the next following
months.

Shortly after that announcement, Kennedy was assassinated.
I suggest these great books about the military/Houston alliance
and coup'de'tat that toppled the peace-promoting idealists in the
Kennedy administration:

"A Heritage of Stone" by Jim Garrison

"The Star Spangled Contract" (Garrison's fictionalized account
of the Kennedy assassination--you'­ll want to read his fact-based
"Heritage Of Stone" first)

"Farewell America - The Plot to Kill JFK" by "James Hepburn"

The Barr McClellan book on JFK's assassination (the title escapes
me). Barr is the father of President Bush's current press secretary,
Scott McClellan. Barr appeared on C-Span three or so years ago).

You can get them on Amazon/Ebay/Half.co­m .

I would say this: don't vote for a Democrat or a Republican
if the Houston Oilers have their hooks in him, like they did
Lyndon Baines Johnson, maybe the worst president this nation's
ever had.
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Scott in Florida 23 February 2006 22:32:28 [ permanent link ]
 On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:35:46 GMT, "Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.co­m>
wrote:


I'd have NO problem doing the injections on the DEMONrats in this ng. NO >PROBLEM at all.>

Nah....keep em around.

The are fun to mess with...

Their ideas are wrong....they are out of power and funny...

Plus they are kooks....

They let their party be taken over by idiots...

Let them flail around in here....harmless...­LOL

--

Scott in Florida
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Mark_digital 23 February 2006 23:41:10 [ permanent link ]
 
"The Benevolent dbu" <relaxan.d@smelther­ose.comm> wrote in message
news:relaxan.d-91BC­B4.09070123022006@ne­ws-rdr-01.rdc-kc.rr.­com...> In article <xn0eitfa02vkshi001­@news.readfreenews.n­et>,> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfe­rman@gmail.com> wrote:>
The Benevolent dbu, 2/23/2006, 4:32:41 AM,>> <relaxan.d-7514AC.0­3323323022006@news-r­dr-01.rdc-kc.rr.com>­ wrote:>>
the death penalty sucks big time. They should do away with it for>> > several reasons.>>
The only thing wrong is how the murderer has more rights than the>> victim.>
I'd be more in favor if it were applied fairly across the board and they> could settle on a method. It's really something to see the asinine> haggling going on. Latest being a couple of doctors walk out at the> last minute delaying the outcome for another agonizing 24 hours for the> families involved.>
The whole death penalty stinks as bad as the high crime of murder.> --

No, I think you're exaggerating. (e.g. Timothy McVeigh didn't suffer
anywhere near all the suffering he caused) And that's the way you should
always justify the death penalty.


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Dan J.S. 24 February 2006 00:05:56 [ permanent link ]
 
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE­@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:1q9Lf.2060$F56­.1709@newsread3.news­.atl.earthlink.net..­.> California had to put off an execution today because they need a new means > to do it and no doctor would agree to participate. Why not just have the > prisoner go hunting with Cheney.>
Because the prisoner would just be wounded and out in less than 2 days.


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Built_Well 24 February 2006 01:27:41 [ permanent link ]
 For those of you who say that Nine-Eleven was President Bill
Clinton's fault because Bill had a couple opportunities to
assassinate Osama Bin Laden but did NOT do so, I would say that
had Bin Laden been killed in the 1990's, then 9/11 may have
happened just that much sooner.

9/11 shows that we cannot hurt them without them hurting
us. The saying is "Live and Let Live," not "Live and let die."

"Live and let die" works for Double-Oh-Seven 007, but not
in real life. Great movie, but poor reality.

During the Clinton years, there was not a single airplane
hy-jaking---not one. Clinton was the diplomatic type.
Bush takes office, and bam, within 9 months we're hit and hit hard
by an airplane hy-jaking.

Personally, I'm not even convinced Osama Bin Laden had anything
to do with 9/11, or even that the Bush administration believes
he did!! Bin Laden may just be a convenient target for Bush. It's
possible the Bushites know what Middle Eastern or Saudi economic group
was really behind 9/11, but they aren't telling us.

It's even possible that the perpetrating economic group is now
getting oil contracts because Bush realizes it's not prudent to
continue whacking them after what they did on 9/11. Bush may have
whacked some of their people or stolen their contracts BEFORE 9/11, but
stopped immediately thereafter.

All of this is speculation on my part; I really don't know. But
I'll bet you it's much more reliable than believing what
the Bush government tells ya [chuckle].

Finally, I'll just say the problems began when Pappa Bush put
those American military bases in Saudi Arabia during the First Iraq
War. We need to pull those bases outta there, and stop messing with
their political system and economic contracts. That's why 9/11 happened.
And the Bush's should be impeached, prosecuted, and imprisoned for life
for being the criminals that they are. All of this should happen within
the parameters of the law, of course.
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Dizzy 24 February 2006 02:56:11 [ permanent link ]
 The Benevolent dbu wrote:
Your last remark was yet another uncalled for slam against a good decent >man.

Who would that be? Certainly not that slimeball Chaney.

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Truckdude 24 February 2006 02:57:22 [ permanent link ]
 
"Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.co­m> wrote in message
news:SnmLf.140$Ui.1­22@edtnps84...>
"Learning Richard" <learningrichard@gm­ail.com> wrote in message > news:1140701378.898­450.96700@g44g2000cw­a.googlegroups.com..­.>>
FanJet wrote:>>> The Benevolent dbu wrote:>>> > In article <1q9Lf.2060$F56.170­9@newsread3.news.atl­.earthlink.net>,>>> > "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE­@mindspring.com> wrote:>>> >
California had to put off an execution today because they need a new>>> >> means to do it and no doctor would agree to participate. Why not>>> >> just have the prisoner go hunting with Cheney.>>> >
the death penalty sucks big time. They should do away with it for>>> > several reasons.>>
yeah.>>
Your last remark was yet another uncalled for slam against a good>>> > decent man.>>
***violence<bs><bs>­<bs><bs>ins***>>
It's certainly a stretch to call a war mongering (oh, sorry, *I* can't>>> serve) neocon good or decent.>>
he sure is meaningless nowadays though, isn't he?>>
The obvious pointed out, it's clear cheney's shooting incident is and >>> was a>>> non-issue. It doesn't even matter whether or not they both falling-over>>> drunk. The whole thing is just a non-issue. Who cares?>>
I don't but buddy -- there's no way I'm going hunting with duh-bu.>
I'd have NO problem doing the injections on the DEMONrats in this ng. NO > PROBLEM at all.>

So you wanna kill those who don't think like you do? Tired of getting your
butt kicked? Quit posting, WBMA.


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Dizzy 24 February 2006 03:00:43 [ permanent link ]
 Gary L. Burnore wrote:
In the case of the death penalty, it's already been proven that people>have been executed and later found to be not guilty. That's>unconstituti­onal in and of itself.

Well then, only use it when 100% sure.
Far better to let them rot in prison than to kill them.

Nah, some people just deerve a bullet in the head. Saves money, too.
But no, the same US Government that didn't>want to let the dead die (shivo)

You mean the same right-wing hypocrites, right?
wants to murder someone for murdering>someone.

Justifiable homicide is not murder.

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FanJet 24 February 2006 03:31:05 [ permanent link ]
 Art wrote:> Too bad Bush didn't learn anything from mistakes made in Vietnam.

When you drink/etc. through college.......


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Scott in Florida 24 February 2006 03:48:56 [ permanent link ]
 On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:31:05 -0500, "FanJet" <FanJet27@hotmail.c­om>
wrote:
Art wrote:>> Too bad Bush didn't learn anything from mistakes made in Vietnam.>
When you drink/etc. through college....... >


....and he still beat the very best and brightest the Dims could put
up.

What an idiot he is....or is it the Dims that are idiots?

ROFL

--

Scott in Florida
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Mark_digital 24 February 2006 03:54:25 [ permanent link ]
 
"Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore@databasix­.com> wrote in message
news:dtlh27$8bv$2@b­lackhelicopter.datab­asix.com...>snip<> One can never justify the death penalty. Ever.>

All I can say Gary is if something happened to you we'll not let your
ignorance stop us from fighting for the death penalty on your behalf.


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Scott in Florida 24 February 2006 03:59:52 [ permanent link ]
 On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:37:30 -0500, Gary L. Burnore
<gburnore@databasix­.com> wrote:
One can never justify the death penalty. Ever.

Sure you can.

An eye for an eye....

Works every time...

--

Scott in Florida
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The Benevolent dbu 24 February 2006 04:23:05 [ permanent link ]
 In article <6sisv1lg5gm3poo7fa­kavu3u21hubkcksa@4ax­.com>,
dizzy <dizzy@nospam.inval­id> wrote:
The Benevolent dbu wrote:>
Your last remark was yet another uncalled for slam against a good decent > >man.>
Who would that be? Certainly not that slimeball Chaney.

Too bad you read the left wing propaganda and worse yet you believe it.
--
"Welcome to President Clinton, Mrs. Clinton, and my fellow astronauts."

Al Gore
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The Benevolent dbu 24 February 2006 04:29:29 [ permanent link ]
 In article <6sisv1lg5gm3poo7fa­kavu3u21hubkcksa@4ax­.com>,
dizzy <dizzy@nospam.inval­id> wrote:
The Benevolent dbu wrote:>
Your last remark was yet another uncalled for slam against a good decent > >man.>
Who would that be? Certainly not that slimeball Chaney.

He is a good decent man.
--
"Welcome to President Clinton, Mrs. Clinton, and my fellow astronauts."

Al Gore
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Learning Richard 24 February 2006 05:47:13 [ permanent link ]
 
Truckdude wrote:> "Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.co­m> wrote in message> news:SnmLf.140$Ui.1­22@edtnps84...> >
"Learning Richard" <learningrichard@gm­ail.com> wrote in message> > news:1140701378.898­450.96700@g44g2000cw­a.googlegroups.com..­.> >>
FanJet wrote:> >>> The Benevolent dbu wrote:> >>> > In article <1q9Lf.2060$F56.170­9@newsread3.news.atl­.earthlink.net>,> >>> > "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE­@mindspring.com> wrote:> >>> >
California had to put off an execution today because they need a new> >>> >> means to do it and no doctor would agree to participate. Why not> >>> >> just have the prisoner go hunting with Cheney.> >>> >
the death penalty sucks big time. They should do away with it for> >>> > several reasons.> >>
yeah.> >>
Your last remark was yet another uncalled for slam against a good> >>> > decent man.> >>
***violence<bs><bs>­<bs><bs>ins***> >>
It's certainly a stretch to call a war mongering (oh, sorry, *I* can't> >>> serve) neocon good or decent.> >>
he sure is meaningless nowadays though, isn't he?> >>
The obvious pointed out, it's clear cheney's shooting incident is and> >>> was a> >>> non-issue. It doesn't even matter whether or not they both falling-over> >>> drunk. The whole thing is just a non-issue. Who cares?> >>
I don't but buddy -- there's no way I'm going hunting with duh-bu.> >
I'd have NO problem doing the injections on the DEMONrats in this ng. NO> > PROBLEM at all.> >
So you wanna kill those who don't think like you do? Tired of getting your> butt kicked? Quit posting, WBMA.

He doesn't know he's getting his butt kicked. He has to _know_ first.
I admit, its kind of like taking advantage of a hamster, but its fun.

Think Menhaden will pick up on that?

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Badgolferman 24 February 2006 05:57:06 [ permanent link ]
 dizzy, 2/23/2006,7:00:43 PM, wrote:
Gary L. Burnore wrote:>
In the case of the death penalty, it's already been proven that> > people have been executed and later found to be not guilty. That's> > unconstitutional in and of itself.>
Well then, only use it when 100% sure.>
Far better to let them rot in prison than to kill them. >
Nah, some people just deerve a bullet in the head. Saves money, too.>
But no, the same US Government that didn't> > want to let the dead die (shivo) >
You mean the same right-wing hypocrites, right?>
wants to murder someone for murdering> > someone. >
Justifiable homicide is not murder.

You go, dizzy!

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Badgolferman 24 February 2006 06:05:35 [ permanent link ]
 Built_Well, 2/23/2006,5:27:41 PM, wrote:
Finally, I'll just say the problems began when Pappa Bush

...didn't finish the job. He allowed those people to see we don't have
the stomach or will to go all the way. Any sign of weakness is a green
light to push back with more effort.

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Dan J.S. 24 February 2006 06:37:56 [ permanent link ]
 
"Built_Well" <bw@bbbb.com> wrote in message
news:W9ydnYdcJacbq2­PenZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@s­ysmatrix.net...> For those of you who say that Nine-Eleven was President Bill> Clinton's fault because Bill had a couple opportunities to> assassinate Osama Bin Laden but did NOT do so, I would say that> had Bin Laden been killed in the 1990's, then 9/11 may have> happened just that much sooner.>
9/11 shows that we cannot hurt them without them hurting> us. The saying is "Live and Let Live," not "Live and let die.">
"Live and let die" works for Double-Oh-Seven 007, but not> in real life. Great movie, but poor reality.>
During the Clinton years, there was not a single airplane> hy-jaking---not one. Clinton was the diplomatic type.> Bush takes office, and bam, within 9 months we're hit and hit hard> by an airplane hy-jaking.

"hy-jaking" ??


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Art 24 February 2006 06:53:48 [ permanent link ]
 At this point I believe that the death penalty should only be enforced where
DNA or other objective evidence proves you got the right guy. Eye witness
testimony is just not reliable enuf.


"Scott in Florida" <MoveOn@outa.here> wrote in message
news:mjmsv15sda3k7q­ubhgf7kev1cbj9j1earj­@4ax.com...> On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:37:30 -0500, Gary L. Burnore> <gburnore@databasix­.com> wrote:>
One can never justify the death penalty. Ever.>
Sure you can.>
An eye for an eye....>
Works every time...>
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FanJet 24 February 2006 07:58:00 [ permanent link ]
 Scott in Florida wrote:> On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:31:05 -0500, "FanJet" <FanJet27@hotmail.c­om>> wrote:>
Art wrote:>>> Too bad Bush didn't learn anything from mistakes made in Vietnam.>>
When you drink/etc. through college.......>>
....and he still beat the very best and brightest the Dims could put> up.>
What an idiot he is....or is it the Dims that are idiots?

No, right the first time.


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Gary L . Burnore 24 February 2006 15:06:24 [ permanent link ]
 On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 03:53:48 GMT, "Art"
<begunaNOSPAMPLEASE­@mindspring.com> top posted like a newbie and
wrote:
At this point I believe that the death penalty should only be enforced where >DNA or other objective evidence proves you got the right guy. Eye witness >testimony is just not reliable enuf.

DNA may prove someone had contact with a victim but wouldn't
necessarily prove that someone commited the crime. DNA evidence can
be planted too.


The death penalty is no longer a valid punishment in a civilized
society. It's certainly not a deterrant.


"Scott in Florida" <MoveOn@outa.here> wrote in message >news:mjmsv15sda3k7­qubhgf7kev1cbj9j1ear­j@4ax.com...>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:37:30 -0500, Gary L. Burnore>> <gburnore@databasix­.com> wrote:>>
One can never justify the death penalty. Ever.>>
Sure you can.>>
An eye for an eye....>>
Works every time...>>
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Gary L . Burnore 24 February 2006 15:07:34 [ permanent link ]
 On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:35:46 GMT, "Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.co­m>
wrote:
"Learning Richard" <learningrichard@gm­ail.com> wrote in message >news:1140701378.89­8450.96700@g44g2000c­wa.googlegroups.com.­..>>
FanJet wrote:>>> The Benevolent dbu wrote:>>> > In article <1q9Lf.2060$F56.170­9@newsread3.news.atl­.earthlink.net>,>>> > "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE­@mindspring.com> wrote:>>> >
California had to put off an execution today because they need a new>>> >> means to do it and no doctor would agree to participate. Why not>>> >> just have the prisoner go hunting with Cheney.>>> >
the death penalty sucks big time. They should do away with it for>>> > several reasons.>>
yeah.>>
Your last remark was yet another uncalled for slam against a good>>> > decent man.>>
***violence<bs><bs>­<bs><bs>ins***>>
It's certainly a stretch to call a war mongering (oh, sorry, *I* can't>>> serve) neocon good or decent.>>
he sure is meaningless nowadays though, isn't he?>>
The obvious pointed out, it's clear cheney's shooting incident is and was >>> a>>> non-issue. It doesn't even matter whether or not they both falling-over>>> drunk. The whole thing is just a non-issue. Who cares?>>
I don't but buddy -- there's no way I'm going hunting with duh-bu.>
I'd have NO problem doing the injections on the DEMONrats in this ng. NO >PROBLEM at all.

You hate the truth THAT much? Poor little neocon.
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Scott in Florida 24 February 2006 15:50:30 [ permanent link ]
 On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 03:53:48 GMT, "Art"
<begunaNOSPAMPLEASE­@mindspring.com> wrote:
At this point I believe that the death penalty should only be enforced where >DNA or other objective evidence proves you got the right guy. Eye witness >testimony is just not reliable enuf.

We solved that problem in Florida....

If you are an eye witness and feel threatened...


BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM sound of reloading

BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BALM click click

"Scott in Florida" <MoveOn@outa.here> wrote in message >news:mjmsv15sda3k7­qubhgf7kev1cbj9j1ear­j@4ax.com...>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:37:30 -0500, Gary L. Burnore>> <gburnore@databasix­.com> wrote:>>
One can never justify the death penalty. Ever.>>
Sure you can.>>
An eye for an eye....>>
Works every time...>>
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Scott in Florida 24 February 2006 15:54:30 [ permanent link ]
 On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:06:24 -0500, Gary L. Burnore
<gburnore@databasix­.com> wrote:
The death penalty is no longer a valid punishment in a civilized>society. It's certainly not a deterrant.

What planet do you live on?

It isn't a deterrent?

I haven't seen a single person that was executed do a crime again....

You losers are all alike....losers....­LOL

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Scott in Florida 24 February 2006 15:56:30 [ permanent link ]
 On 24 Feb 2006 03:05:35 GMT, "badgolferman"
<REMOVETHISbadgolfe­rman@gmail.com> wrote:
Built_Well, 2/23/2006,5:27:41 PM, wrote:>
Finally, I'll just say the problems began when Pappa Bush>
...didn't finish the job. He allowed those people to see we don't have>the stomach or will to go all the way. Any sign of weakness is a green>light to push back with more effort.

Amen...

The Dims are giving the terrorists the idea that we don't have the
will to win....

Great job, Dims....

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Gary L . Burnore 24 February 2006 16:37:39 [ permanent link ]
 On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:54:30 -0500, Scott in Florida
<MoveOn@outa.here> wrote:
On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:06:24 -0500, Gary L. Burnore><gburnore@d­atabasix.com> wrote:>
The death penalty is no longer a valid punishment in a civilized>>society.­ It's certainly not a deterrant.>
What planet do you live on?>
It isn't a deterrent?

No, it isn't. It doesn't stop anyone else from commiting a crime.
Otherwise, there'd be no cases requiring it.
I haven't seen a single person that was executed do a crime again....

That's the best you can come up with? based on that, we should kill
people who shoplift since that'd be a deterrent.

Dumbass.

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Gary L . Burnore 24 February 2006 16:39:19 [ permanent link ]
 On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:56:30 -0500, Scott in Florida
<MoveOn@outa.here> wrote:
On 24 Feb 2006 03:05:35 GMT, "badgolferman"><REM­OVETHISbadgolferman@­gmail.com> wrote:>
Built_Well, 2/23/2006,5:27:41 PM, wrote:>>
Finally, I'll just say the problems began when Pappa Bush>>
...didn't finish the job. He allowed those people to see we don't have>>the stomach or will to go all the way. Any sign of weakness is a green>>light to push back with more effort.>
Amen...>

Of course you believe that. You're a dupe. You have NO CHOICE but to
believe a lie like that.

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Badgolferman 24 February 2006 16:54:26 [ permanent link ]
 Gary L. Burnore, 2/24/2006, 8:37:39 AM,
<dtn2a9$lt5$3@black­helicopter.databasix­.com> wrote:
The death penalty is no longer a valid punishment in a civilized> > > society. It's certainly not a deterrant.> >
What planet do you live on?> >
It isn't a deterrent?>
No, it isn't. It doesn't stop anyone else from commiting a crime.> Otherwise, there'd be no cases requiring it.

How do you know there wouldn't be more murders committed if there
wasn't a death penalty? Those that do commit murder are identifying
themselves as the ones who can't live within society.

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Sharx35 24 February 2006 17:41:17 [ permanent link ]
 
"Learning Richard" <learningrichard@gm­ail.com> wrote in message
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Truckdude wrote:>> "Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.co­m> wrote in message>> news:SnmLf.140$Ui.1­22@edtnps84...>> >
"Learning Richard" <learningrichard@gm­ail.com> wrote in message>> > news:1140701378.898­450.96700@g44g2000cw­a.googlegroups.com..­.>> >>
FanJet wrote:>> >>> The Benevolent dbu wrote:>> >>> > In article <1q9Lf.2060$F56.170­9@newsread3.news.atl­.earthlink.net>,>> >>> > "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE­@mindspring.com> wrote:>> >>> >
California had to put off an execution today because they need a >> >>> >> new>> >>> >> means to do it and no doctor would agree to participate. Why not>> >>> >> just have the prisoner go hunting with Cheney.>> >>> >
the death penalty sucks big time. They should do away with it for>> >>> > several reasons.>> >>
yeah.>> >>
Your last remark was yet another uncalled for slam against a good>> >>> > decent man.>> >>
***violence<bs><bs>­<bs><bs>ins***>> >>
It's certainly a stretch to call a war mongering (oh, sorry, *I* >> >>> can't>> >>> serve) neocon good or decent.>> >>
he sure is meaningless nowadays though, isn't he?>> >>
The obvious pointed out, it's clear cheney's shooting incident is and>> >>> was a>> >>> non-issue. It doesn't even matter whether or not they both >> >>> falling-over>> >>> drunk. The whole thing is just a non-issue. Who cares?>> >>
I don't but buddy -- there's no way I'm going hunting with duh-bu.>> >
I'd have NO problem doing the injections on the DEMONrats in this ng. >> > NO>> > PROBLEM at all.>> >
So you wanna kill those who don't think like you do? Tired of getting >> your>> butt kicked? Quit posting, WBMA.>
He doesn't know he's getting his butt kicked. He has to _know_ first.> I admit, its kind of like taking advantage of a hamster, but its fun.>
Think Menhaden will pick up on that?>

You puerile little wimp. My IQ has at least 50 points on yours.



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Scott in Florida 25 February 2006 01:11:23 [ permanent link ]
 On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:37:39 -0500, Gary L. Burnore
<gburnore@databasix­.com> wrote:
hat's the best you can come up with? based on that, we should kill>people who shoplift since that'd be a deterrent.

Great idea!!!!!!

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Sharx35 25 February 2006 01:53:04 [ permanent link ]
 
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE­@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:RAlLf.2764$5M6­.521@newsread2.news.­atl.earthlink.net...­> Too bad Bush didn't learn anything from mistakes made in Vietnam.>

Too bad your mother didn't have a prenatal done.

"FanJet" <FanJet27@hotmail.c­om> wrote in message > news:43fdb23c$0$250­86$4d3efbfe@news.sov­er.net...>> Mark A wrote:>>> "Built_Well" <bw@bbbb.com> wrote in message>>> news:YuidnYg0Jf4zs2­DeRVn-rQ@sysmatrix.n­et...>>>>
The French helped us in 1776, and I guess the Ruskies helped>>>> the Vietnamese--supplyi­ng all those weapons to Charlie, but Charlie>>>> did all the fighting.>>>
The French FUBAR'ed Vietnam from about 1850 until 1954, slaughtering>>> every non-communist member of the independence movement, until there>>> was no one left but the Communists.>>>
Ho Chi Minh was a strong American ally during WWII against the>>> Japanese, and at the end of the war Ho asked Roosevelt (and later>>> Truman) for their blessing for Vietnamese independence from French>>> imperialism. The idiot Democrats refused, and then Democrats Kennedy>>> and Johnson got us into the war.>>
So idiot bush/cheney/rice & Iraq is Republican payback?>>


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Jeff Strickland 26 February 2006 04:35:28 [ permanent link ]
 Why not just have one of the guards put a few dozen bullets into him?
Sheesh!



"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE­@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:1q9Lf.2060$F56­.1709@newsread3.news­.atl.earthlink.net..­.> California had to put off an execution today because they need a new means > to do it and no doctor would agree to participate. Why not just have the > prisoner go hunting with Cheney.>

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Dizzy 26 February 2006 07:34:57 [ permanent link ]
 Jeff Strickland wrote:
Why not just have one of the guards put a few dozen bullets into him? >Sheesh!

Maybe the guards were typical chickenhawk right-wingers.

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Sharx35 26 February 2006 16:30:52 [ permanent link ]
 
"dizzy" <dizzy@nospam.inval­id> wrote in message
news:etb2025torqmso­gq353l7oftdh4gvafo5h­@4ax.com...> Jeff Strickland wrote:>
Why not just have one of the guards put a few dozen bullets into him?>>Sheesh!>
Maybe the guards were typical chickenhawk right-wingers.>

Maybe YOU are a typical fudgepacking DEMONrat faggot.



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Jeff Strickland 26 February 2006 21:03:06 [ permanent link ]
 
"dizzy" <dizzy@nospam.inval­id> wrote in message
news:etb2025torqmso­gq353l7oftdh4gvafo5h­@4ax.com...> Jeff Strickland wrote:>
Why not just have one of the guards put a few dozen bullets into him?>>Sheesh!>
Maybe the guards were typical chickenhawk right-wingers.>

Or, perhaps they're blood thirsty felon-wannabe's. One never knows ...



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