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Re: Toyota Prius on snow
Guest 3 May 2005 11:20:47
	In alt.autos.toyota domtam@hotmail.com wrote:> To owners of 2004/2005 Toyota Prius,> I'm shopping for a new car, and 2005 Toyota Prius is one of the> candidates. So far, there are many good reviews about this car. I'd> like to get some of your opinions here.> 1. Do you have any problem driving your 2004/2005 Prius on snow.> In particular, the following complaint kinda scares me. I'm just> wondering if this is a general problem.> http://www.autoweb.com/content/research/vir/index.cfm/vehicle_number_int/1016237/Action/Reviews> "it hesitates so bad, that it becomes even dangerous. when you> accelerate (in snow), it looks like the electric motor for some reason> does not allow the gas engine to kick in and hesitates really bad, I> can't emphasized enough how bad it is. To the point that it takes such> a long time to pick up speed, that is literally dangerous to pull over> a highway"> I recently (a few months ago) drove through snow country in northern California and Oregon. We hit snow a few minor storms while on highway 1. The Prius did a great job. The experience described above is not normal. The traction control and CVT (continuously variable transmission) worked great when we drove with an inch of snow sticking to the roadway. The CVT means there's no gear changes (and associated lurching) as the car tackles the up and down hill stretches. I found that it was extremely sure footed. I did not drive it in deeper snow, since I'm a central California kid.
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Guest 9 March 2005 22:45:02 [ permanent link ]
	To owners of 2004/2005 Toyota Prius, I'm shopping for a new car, and 2005 Toyota Prius is one of the candidates. So far, there are many good reviews about this car. I'd like to get some of your opinions here. 1. Do you have any problem driving your 2004/2005 Prius on snow. In particular, the following complaint kinda scares me. I'm just wondering if this is a general problem. http://www.autoweb.com/content/research/vir/index.cfm/vehicle_number_int/1016237/Action/Reviews "it hesitates so bad, that it becomes even dangerous. when you accelerate (in snow), it looks like the electric motor for some reason does not allow the gas engine to kick in and hesitates really bad, I can't emphasized enough how bad it is. To the point that it takes such a long time to pick up speed, that is literally dangerous to pull over a highway" 2. How about the cross-wind on the highway? Is it a major problem to you? 3. Do you have any other problems with your Toyota Prius? Thanks for your time and comments! Dom
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Someone 10 March 2005 00:59:48 [ permanent link ]
	To owners of 2004/2005 Toyota Prius,> http://www.autoweb.com/content/research/vir/index.cfm/vehicle_number_int/1016237/Action/Reviews> "it hesitates so bad, that it becomes even dangerous. when you> accelerate (in snow), it looks like the electric motor for some reason> does not allow the gas engine to kick in and hesitates really bad, I> can't emphasized enough how bad it is. To the point that it takes such> a long time to pick up speed, that is literally dangerous to pull over> a highway"> I don't drive in snow / ice but there was (is) some talk on edmunds.com townhall http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef28f96!make=CATS&model=Hybrid&ed_makeindex=.ef28f96 about the OEM tires, traction control and the Prius in snow ... -- Rob Fruth - Houston, Tx http://www.rfruth.net 1981 Raleigh for errands & fun ____ __o 1997 Trek 2300 for real fun ! ____ _ \ \| _) 2000 Civic hatchback (_)/ (_)
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Dan 10 March 2005 07:43:20 [ permanent link ]
	On 2005-03-09 10:45:02 -0800, domtam@hotmail.com said: To owners of 2004/2005 Toyota Prius,> I'm shopping for a new car, and 2005 Toyota Prius is one of the> candidates. So far, there are many good reviews about this car. I'd> like to get some of your opinions here. I recommend you visit the Prius Chat web site: http://www.priuschat.com The site provides a tremendous amount of Prius information, including discussions of the issues you cited in your post.
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Y_p_w 10 March 2005 09:21:56 [ permanent link ]
	domtam@hotmail.com wrote: To owners of 2004/2005 Toyota Prius,> I'm shopping for a new car, and 2005 Toyota Prius is one of the> candidates. So far, there are many good reviews about this car. I'd> like to get some of your opinions here.> 1. Do you have any problem driving your 2004/2005 Prius on snow.> In particular, the following complaint kinda scares me. I'm just> wondering if this is a general problem.> http://www.autoweb.com/content/research/vir/index.cfm/vehicle_number_int/1016237/Action/Reviews> "it hesitates so bad, that it becomes even dangerous. when you> accelerate (in snow), it looks like the electric motor for some reason> does not allow the gas engine to kick in and hesitates really bad, I> can't emphasized enough how bad it is. To the point that it takes such> a long time to pick up speed, that is literally dangerous to pull over> a highway" Sounds like a traction problem is causing the transition between the electric motor and ICE to go batty. There are winter tires available in the 185/65-R15 size. The stock all-seasons are likely less grippy than a real set of winter tires. Tire Rack lists 5 winter tires in that size.
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Imminent Vengeance 14 March 2005 02:47:24 [ permanent link ]
	someone wrote: I don't drive in snow / ice but there was (is) some talk on edmunds.com> townhall> http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef28f96!make=CATS&model=Hybrid&ed_makeindex=.ef28f96> about the OEM tires, traction control and the Prius in snow ... Yesterday, my uncle dropped by to show me his recently purchased Prius. I noticed that the tires are the same Goodyear Integritys that are also on the Corolla and other cars. Those particular tires are definitely crappy in winter.
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Andre Lortie 14 March 2005 03:07:09 [ permanent link ]
	domtam@hotmail.com wrote:> To owners of 2004/2005 Toyota Prius,> I'm shopping for a new car, and 2005 Toyota Prius is one of the> candidates. So far, there are many good reviews about this car. I'd> like to get some of your opinions here.> 1. Do you have any problem driving your 2004/2005 Prius on snow.> In particular, the following complaint kinda scares me. I'm just> wondering if this is a general problem.> http://www.autoweb.com/content/research/vir/index.cfm/vehicle_number_int/1016237/Action/Reviews> "it hesitates so bad, that it becomes even dangerous. when you> accelerate (in snow), it looks like the electric motor for some reason> does not allow the gas engine to kick in and hesitates really bad, I> can't emphasized enough how bad it is. To the point that it takes such> a long time to pick up speed, that is literally dangerous to pull over> a highway"> 2. How about the cross-wind on the highway? Is it a major problem to> you?> 3. Do you have any other problems with your Toyota Prius?> Thanks for your time and comments!> Dom Don't know about snow but here in Texas it works great...
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S Narayan 4 May 2005 02:26:33 [ permanent link ]
	<dbs__usenet@tanj.com> wrote in message news:ce2dnSiP3qjSu-rfRVn-1g@comcast.com...> In alt.autos.toyota domtam@hotmail.com wrote:> > To owners of 2004/2005 Toyota Prius,> > I'm shopping for a new car, and 2005 Toyota Prius is one of the> > candidates. So far, there are many good reviews about this car. I'd> > like to get some of your opinions here.> > 1. Do you have any problem driving your 2004/2005 Prius on snow.> > In particular, the following complaint kinda scares me. I'm just> > wondering if this is a general problem.> > http://www.autoweb.com/content/research/vir/index.cfm/vehicle_number_int/1016237/Action/Reviews> > "it hesitates so bad, that it becomes even dangerous. when you> > accelerate (in snow), it looks like the electric motor for some reason> > does not allow the gas engine to kick in and hesitates really bad, I> > can't emphasized enough how bad it is. To the point that it takes such> > a long time to pick up speed, that is literally dangerous to pull over> > a highway"> > I recently (a few months ago) drove through snow country in northern> California and Oregon. We hit snow a few minor storms while on highway 1.> The Prius did a great job.> The experience described above is not normal.> The traction control and CVT (continuously variable transmission) worked> great when we drove with an inch of snow sticking to the roadway.> The CVT means there's no gear changes (and associated lurching) as> the car tackles the up and down hill stretches. I found that it was> extremely sure footed.> I did not drive it in deeper snow, since I'm a central California kid. I can add to this as well. Drove to Bryce, Zion and Grand Canyon from CA in winter. The car handled the snow (1-2") and the elevation without any problems (loaded with 4 people). Returned over 45 mpg on the 2000+ mile trip. The traction, vehicle skid control and lack of a shifting transmission gives it a sure footing in slippery/icy conditions. I have read that it is better to gun the accelerator than gently accelerate if traction is a problem, the car will pull itself out of such conditions. This is from people who live in the midwest who are used to seeing much more snow than I do.
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Dbu^ 4 May 2005 03:02:57 [ permanent link ]
	In article <1115159199.708f48b0a730d43e3fddb20ac4f524f0@teranews>, "S Narayan" <narayan@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote: I have read that it is>better to gun the accelerator than gently accelerate if traction is a> problem, the car will pull itself out of such conditions. This is from> people who live in the midwest who are used to seeing much more snow than I> do. This is true with any front wheel drive vehicle. It takes a special driver skill to maintain control in glare ice conditions and try to stop at the same time with a front wheel drive. The only thing that will save the average driver is anti lock brakes. --
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S Narayan 4 May 2005 03:57:37 [ permanent link ]
	"Dbu^" <ntspam@spco.m> wrote in message news:ntspam-13B614.18025703052005@news-rdr-01.rdc-kc.rr.com...> In article <1115159199.708f48b0a730d43e3fddb20ac4f524f0@teranews>,> "S Narayan" <narayan@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:> I have read that it is> >better to gun the accelerator than gently accelerate if traction is a> > problem, the car will pull itself out of such conditions. This is from> > people who live in the midwest who are used to seeing much more snow than I> > do.> This is true with any front wheel drive vehicle. It takes a special> driver skill to maintain control in glare ice conditions and try to stop> at the same time with a front wheel drive. The only thing that will> save the average driver is anti lock brakes. The original poster was talking about accelerating from a stop. The (T)raction (C)ontrol and (V)ehicle (S)kid (C)ontrol will not allow the car to spin its tyres under such slippery conditions. If I tried this in my non TC, non VSC FWD Integra, I would be spinning my tyres, going nowhere.
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Scott in Florida 4 May 2005 04:02:09 [ permanent link ]
	On Tue, 3 May 2005 16:57:37 -0700, "S Narayan" <narayan@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote: "Dbu^" <ntspam@spco.m> wrote in message>news:ntspam-13B614.18025703052005@news-rdr-01.rdc-kc.rr.com...>> In article <1115159199.708f48b0a730d43e3fddb20ac4f524f0@teranews>,>> "S Narayan" <narayan@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:>> I have read that it is>> >better to gun the accelerator than gently accelerate if traction is a>> > problem, the car will pull itself out of such conditions. This is from>> > people who live in the midwest who are used to seeing much more snow>than I>> > do.>> This is true with any front wheel drive vehicle. It takes a special>> driver skill to maintain control in glare ice conditions and try to stop>> at the same time with a front wheel drive. The only thing that will>> save the average driver is anti lock brakes.> The original poster was talking about accelerating from a stop. The>(T)raction (C)ontrol and (V)ehicle (S)kid (C)ontrol will not allow the car>to spin its tyres under such slippery conditions. If I tried this in my non>TC, non VSC FWD Integra, I would be spinning my tyres, going nowhere.> Has the world dumbed down so much that we fail to learn how to drive and need a computer to do what we used to have to learn to do? -- Scott in Florida
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S Narayan 4 May 2005 04:21:14 [ permanent link ]
	"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message news:v54g711skkp5kqg6bckgo6q7gn9fdh05gb@4ax.com...> On Tue, 3 May 2005 16:57:37 -0700, "S Narayan"> <narayan@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:> "Dbu^" <ntspam@spco.m> wrote in message> >news:ntspam-13B614.18025703052005@news-rdr-01.rdc-kc.rr.com...> >> In article <1115159199.708f48b0a730d43e3fddb20ac4f524f0@teranews>,> >> "S Narayan" <narayan@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:> >> I have read that it is> >> >better to gun the accelerator than gently accelerate if traction is a> >> > problem, the car will pull itself out of such conditions. This is from> >> > people who live in the midwest who are used to seeing much more snow> >than I> >> > do.> >> This is true with any front wheel drive vehicle. It takes a special> >> driver skill to maintain control in glare ice conditions and try to stop> >> at the same time with a front wheel drive. The only thing that will> >> save the average driver is anti lock brakes.> > The original poster was talking about accelerating from a stop. The> >(T)raction (C)ontrol and (V)ehicle (S)kid (C)ontrol will not allow the to spin its tyres under such slippery conditions. If I tried this in my TC, non VSC FWD Integra, I would be spinning my tyres, going nowhere.> > Has the world dumbed down so much that we fail to learn how to drive> and need a computer to do what we used to have to learn to do? No, I get along just fine in my Acura in snow. But the original poster was talking about how to drive the Prius effectively in slippery conditions given that it may have TC and VSC. Now, if you know how, please speak, otherwise STFU.
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Philip 4 May 2005 04:36:57 [ permanent link ]
	Scott in Florida wrote:> On Tue, 3 May 2005 16:57:37 -0700, "S Narayan"> <narayan@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:> "Dbu^" <ntspam@spco.m> wrote in message>> news:ntspam-13B614.18025703052005@news-rdr-01.rdc-kc.rr.com...>>> In article <1115159199.708f48b0a730d43e3fddb20ac4f524f0@teranews>,>>> "S Narayan" <narayan@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:>>> I have read that it is>>>> better to gun the accelerator than gently accelerate if traction>>>> is a problem, the car will pull itself out of such conditions.>>>> This is from people who live in the midwest who are used to seeing>>>> much more snow than I do.>>> This is true with any front wheel drive vehicle. It takes a special>>> driver skill to maintain control in glare ice conditions and try to>>> stop at the same time with a front wheel drive. The only thing>>> that will save the average driver is anti lock brakes.>> The original poster was talking about accelerating from a stop. The>> (T)raction (C)ontrol and (V)ehicle (S)kid (C)ontrol will not allow>> the car to spin its tyres under such slippery conditions. If I tried>> this in my non TC, non VSC FWD Integra, I would be spinning my>> tyres, going nowhere.>> Has the world dumbed down so much that we fail to learn how to drive> and need a computer to do what we used to have to learn to do? Prosthetic arms, legs, and hands are equally attractive when you don't have your own.
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Dbu^ 4 May 2005 05:15:54 [ permanent link ]
	In article <1115164658.f9f6b218ae7ffc420a60e1537c070fe1@teranews>, "S Narayan" <narayan@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote: "Dbu^" <ntspam@spco.m> wrote in message> news:ntspam-13B614.18025703052005@news-rdr-01.rdc-kc.rr.com...> > In article <1115159199.708f48b0a730d43e3fddb20ac4f524f0@teranews>,> > "S Narayan" <narayan@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:> > I have read that it is> > >better to gun the accelerator than gently accelerate if traction is a> > > problem, the car will pull itself out of such conditions. This is from> > > people who live in the midwest who are used to seeing much more snow> than I> > > do.> > This is true with any front wheel drive vehicle. It takes a special> > driver skill to maintain control in glare ice conditions and try to stop> > at the same time with a front wheel drive. The only thing that will> > save the average driver is anti lock brakes.> The original poster was talking about accelerating from a stop. The> (T)raction (C)ontrol and (V)ehicle (S)kid (C)ontrol will not allow the car> to spin its tyres under such slippery conditions. If I tried this in my non> TC, non VSC FWD Integra, I would be spinning my tyres, going nowhere. Frankly, I wouldnt have one of them battery cars, seems like a lot of money spent for little return. Enjoy anyhoo, you're doing some part to save earth....LOL --
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Scott in Florida 4 May 2005 05:32:02 [ permanent link ]
	On Tue, 3 May 2005 17:21:14 -0700, "S Narayan" <narayan@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote: STFU. Not on your life!!!!! -- Scott in Florida
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Philip 4 May 2005 08:52:17 [ permanent link ]
	S Narayan wrote:> "Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message> news:v54g711skkp5kqg6bckgo6q7gn9fdh05gb@4ax.com...>> On Tue, 3 May 2005 16:57:37 -0700, "S Narayan">> <narayan@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:>> "Dbu^" <ntspam@spco.m> wrote in message>>> news:ntspam-13B614.18025703052005@news-rdr-01.rdc-kc.rr.com...>>>> In article <1115159199.708f48b0a730d43e3fddb20ac4f524f0@teranews>,>>>> "S Narayan" <narayan@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:>>>> I have read that it is>>>>> better to gun the accelerator than gently accelerate if traction>>>>> is a problem, the car will pull itself out of such conditions.>>>>> This is from people who live in the midwest who are used to>>>>> seeing much more snow than I do.>>>> This is true with any front wheel drive vehicle. It takes a>>>> special driver skill to maintain control in glare ice conditions>>>> and try to stop at the same time with a front wheel drive. The>>>> only thing that will save the average driver is anti lock brakes.>>> The original poster was talking about accelerating from a stop. The>>> (T)raction (C)ontrol and (V)ehicle (S)kid (C)ontrol will not allow>>> the car to spin its tyres under such slippery conditions. If I>>> tried this in my non TC, non VSC FWD Integra, I would be spinning>>> my tyres, going nowhere.>>> Has the world dumbed down so much that we fail to learn how to drive>> and need a computer to do what we used to have to learn to do?> No, I get along just fine in my Acura in snow. But the original> poster was talking about how to drive the Prius effectively in> slippery conditions given that it may have TC and VSC. Now, if you> know how, please speak, otherwise STFU. STFU? Hiding behind acronyms still shows you're up against the wall. Take your jacks and go home.
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Scott in Florida 4 May 2005 16:36:03 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 04 May 2005 06:11:19 GMT, Bruce L. Bergman <blPYTHONbergman@earthlink.invalid> wrote: (* I was going to give examples, but I was a lead-pipe cinch to>manage to insult someone grievously, so I'll leave that one alone.) Chicken <g> -- Scott in Florida
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Scott in Florida 4 May 2005 16:37:31 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 04 May 2005 06:11:19 GMT, Bruce L. Bergman <blPYTHONbergman@earthlink.invalid> wrote: (And I've been stuck with scary drivers and had to do it a few>times. Usually when they pull an idiotic stunt to the degree my life>flashes before my eyes, like pulling into cross traffic without>looking both ways and we miss getting T-boned by inches...) When I used to travel the Far East on business I learned to just not pay attention to cab drivers. If I had really looked at what happened a heart attack would have ended my career early...LOL -- Scott in Florida
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