More Fossil fuels> More refineries> More nuclear Plants> Oh, BTW drive more fuel efficient cars (wink wink)>

Bush's plan is clearly designed for the benefit of the> oil and nuclear power plant companies and lacks any> vision or any attempt to create a long range> plan for energy independence. It's obvious where> his allegiances are, and it's not the American people.

My Toyotas that are made in America will like more energy.>

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Bush's plan is clearly designed for the benefit of the> oil and nuclear power plant companies and lacks any> vision or any attempt to create a long range> plan for energy independence. It's obvious where> his allegiances are, and it's not the American people.

ToMh, 4/27/2005, 2:49:05 PM, wrote:>

My Toyotas that are made in America will like more energy.>

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badgolferman wrote:>>

Did you forget about NUMMI? My Corolla. Engine and transaxle from KY> plant, sheet metal here, plastics here, electronic Delphi, assembled in> Fremont.>

RustyFendor@mailcit­y.com wrote:> > What Toyota do you own that was made in America?> >

What Toyota do you own that was made in America?>

mike hunt>

Philip wrote:>>

mike hunt

RustyFendor@mailcit­y.com, 4/27/2005, 7:19:49 PM, wrote:>

2000 Sienna and prior to that 1994 Camry. My 1997 Camry is made in> Japan.>

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badgolferman wrote:>>

Better check the first number of your VIN. You will > find it was only assembled in the US of mostly imported parts.

Isn't "assembled" and "made" synonymous? I would guess most American> cars have their parts made in foreign countries also.

RustyFendor@mailcit­y.com, 4/28/2005, 3:18:20 PM, wrote:>

Isn't "assembled" and "made" synonymous? I would guess most American> cars have their parts made in foreign countries also.

RustyFendor@mailcit­y.com, 4/28/2005, 3:18:20 PM, wrote:>

Isn't "assembled" and "made" synonymous? I would guess most American> cars have their parts made in foreign countries also.>

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RustyFendor@mailcit­y.com wrote:> :: Do you ever get anything right? The economy of the world runs on> :: oil. The demand for it is ever increasing and until we can> :: develop other viable vast sources of energy we will need MORE> :: oil. If the available oil supply would for some reason drop by> :: 20% the whole world would go into the deepest depression in> :: history. Thousands of people will die of starvation and lack of> :: water. We must increase our domestic supply until such time as> :: other sources can be added to the energy stream just to make up> :: for the increased worldwide demand before we can even think of> :: replacing oil as the worlds primary energy source.. Anybody> :: suggesting that there is anything available today or even in the> :: near further to replace oil is a lunatic. The Presidents bill> :: calls for more conservation efforts, the use of wind, clean> :: burning coal, and nuclear power.> ::> :: Until hydrogen can become the energy source of the future, at a> :: realistic price, in the real world those are the ONLY currently> :: viable alternatives. In the real world the environuts will fight> :: every one, including wind power because the blades kill birds.> :: The nuts are indeed running the asylum, they think we can just> :: conserve our way to energy independence.> ::> :: At last we finally have a President who is willing to take on the> :: tough problems in this country and make the tough decisions to> :: correct them, rather than follow the polls as do most politicians> :: including his predecessor. What would you suggest the President> :: do in this situation?> ::> *Finally*, he could display some of the honor he likes to talk about, admit> he's the most colossal screw-up in the history of the office and leave.

badgolferman wrote:>

No. That's the nasty secret of the whole numbering system.> Assembled in Canda or the U.S. counts. Where the parts> that they assemble to make your radio or seats or whatever> come from - it's not factored in. Only where the finished> product that they ship to the auto maker is assembled.>

In reality, it's mostly made overseas.

I was referring to my 2003 Corolla.>

RustyFendor@mailcit­y.com wrote:> > That was true at one time> >

BigJohnson@mailcity­.com wrote:> :: Like I said, you don't ever get anything right. LOL> ::> ::> :: mike hunt> ::> Oh, when was that? Can't remember? Didn't think so.

RustyFendor@mailcit­y.com wrote:> :: Do you ever get anything right? The economy of the world runs

:: oil. The demand for it is ever increasing and until we can> :: develop other viable vast sources of energy we will need MORE> :: oil. If the available oil supply would for some reason drop by> :: 20% the whole world would go into the deepest depression in> :: history. Thousands of people will die of starvation and lack of> :: water. We must increase our domestic supply until such time as> :: other sources can be added to the energy stream just to make up> :: for the increased worldwide demand before we can even think of> :: replacing oil as the worlds primary energy source.. Anybody> :: suggesting that there is anything available today or even in the> :: near further to replace oil is a lunatic. The Presidents bill> :: calls for more conservation efforts, the use of wind, clean> :: burning coal, and nuclear power.> ::> :: Until hydrogen can become the energy source of the future, at a> :: realistic price, in the real world those are the ONLY currently> :: viable alternatives. In the real world the environuts will

:: tough problems in this country and make the tough decisions to> :: correct them, rather than follow the polls as do most

mike hunt>

Philip wrote:>>

You guessed incorrectly. For a vehicle to be awarded a '1,'> like the Toyota based Pontiac Vibe, made in California, the parts> must be at lease 75% American. '4' is less that 75% but more> that 40%. A '5' indicates less than 40%, the content in a 5> could even be zero. Current Camrys are a 4 at best, most are a 5> and Tundras are all a 5 as well.>

BigJohnson@mailcity­.com, 4/29/2005, 9:50:38 AM, wrote:>

My 2000 Sienna starts with a 4, my 97 Camry starts with a J, and my> prior 94 Camry started with a 4.>

Of the three vehicles, I can truly say the 97 Camry feels of the least> quality. My assesment is based upon the interior noise levels,> rattles, switches and controls, etc. Mechanically they have all been> very good. Whether this has anything to do with the individual designs> or where they were "assembled" I'm not sure.>

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Corollas are still built in volume at NUMMI .... with a "1", MikeHunt. They> are 'made' and 'assembled' in America.>

MajorDomo@mailcity.­com wrote:> > But one can not buy a 2003 Carrrola, Toyota only sells 2005 today> > and the d like most Toyotas are not made in America.> >

mike hunt>

Checked the deeds of the>president and his inbred clan lately? TODAY, thousands of people died from>starvation and lack of water.

::: RustyFendor@mailcit­y.com wrote:> ::::: Do you ever get anything right? The economy of the world runs on> ::::: oil. The demand for it is ever increasing and until we can> ::::: develop other viable vast sources of energy we will need MORE> ::::: oil. If the available oil supply would for some reason drop by> ::::: 20% the whole world would go into the deepest depression in> ::::: history. Thousands of people will die of starvation and lack of> ::::: water. We must increase our domestic supply until such time as> ::::: other sources can be added to the energy stream just to make up> ::::: for the increased worldwide demand before we can even think of> ::::: replacing oil as the worlds primary energy source.. Anybody> ::::: suggesting that there is anything available today or even in the> ::::: near further to replace oil is a lunatic. The Presidents bill> ::::: calls for more conservation efforts, the use of wind, clean> ::::: burning coal, and nuclear power.> :::::> ::::: Until hydrogen can become the energy source of the future, at a> ::::: realistic price, in the real world those are the ONLY currently> ::::: viable alternatives. In the real world the environuts will fight> ::::: every one, including wind power because the blades kill birds.> ::::: The nuts are indeed running the asylum, they think we can just> ::::: conserve our way to energy independence.> :::::> ::::: At last we finally have a President who is willing to take on the> ::::: tough problems in this country and make the tough decisions to> ::::: correct them, rather than follow the polls as do most politicians> ::::: including his predecessor.>

Well, your bucktoothed, flawed interpretation of the presidents 'energy> plan' hardly constitutes anything related to me. Like I said, "Didn't think> so,". No doubt not your fault but there is some validity to a couple of your> points. Truly, the nuts are running the asylum. Checked the deeds of the> president and his inbred clan lately? TODAY, thousands of people died from> starvation and lack of water.

On Sun, 01 May 2005 04:04:54 GMT, "FanJet" <FanJet27@hotmail.c­om>> wrote:>

Oh?>

Bush is up to his tricks of starving people and keeping water from> them?>

Thought that was OK.>

Just starved a gal to death in Florida and that was OK...>

What is the problem????>

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mike hunt>

Philip wrote:>>

I was by my Toyota dealer today. Looked at the window sales sticker on five> brand new Corollas. ALL began with the number 1. I also looked at two> Matrix. Both began with the number 2.>

So there ya go, MikeHunt.>

MajorDomo@mailcity.­com wrote:> > If that is true than my source, Automotive News, is wrong.> > Automotive News shows Corolla production as being in Japan and> > Canada and only the Vibe and Tacoma as being produced currently> > in the GM/Toyota plant. The only thing we see on all the> > Corollas we service here on the right cost is 2, Canada.> >

I. E. As of March 1st>

Canada> Corolla 36,006> Matrix 15,022>

NUMMI> Tacoma 40,447> Vibe 16,111>

Mexico> Tacoma 17,549>

mike hunt>

Philip wrote:>>

Interesting. I pass by the Toyota dealer tomorrow (Tues) on my way to the> Post Office. I'll check for the "J" . Anything else? ;^) Here's a link> to NUMMI. You would HOPE this was up to date.>

http://www.nummi.co­m/vehicles.html>

BenDover@mailcity.c­om wrote:> > Apparently then they only sell them in California since they> > would be made in the GM/Toyota plant there if what you say is> > true. I'm not going to question your varsity but Automotive news> > list only the Vibe and Tacoma as currently being assembled in> > that plant. The UAW contract requires over 75% American parts> > would be the reason they would have a '1' if built there. I> > looked up the list of over a thousand of 05 Corollas owned by> > fleets in six eastern states, they were all assembled in Canada.> > All of the Camry and Toyota VINs I saw were '5,' the ones in> > California are most likely a 'J'> >

Bush is up to his tricks of starving people and keeping water from> them?>

Thought that was OK.>

Just starved a gal to death in Florida and that was OK...>

What is the problem????>

--> Scott in Florida

I've found these lefties to be very inconsistent. Wonder why.

I was by my Toyota dealer today. Looked at the window sales sticker on five > brand new Corollas. ALL began with the number 1. I also looked at two > Matrix. Both began with the number 2.>

So there ya go, MikeHunt.

Apparently then they only sell them in California since they> would be made in the GM/Toyota plant there if what you say is> true. I'm not going to question your varsity but Automotive news> list only the Vibe and Tacoma as currently being assembled in> that plant. The UAW contract requires over 75% American parts> would be the reason they would have a '1' if built there. I> looked up the list of over a thousand of 05 Corollas owned by> fleets in six eastern states, they were all assembled in Canada. > All of the Camry and Toyota VINs I saw were '5,' the ones in> California are most likely a 'J'

Philip wrote:>

Yep, and I've seen Camrys made in Japan with 75% American content, and> US made Camrys with VINS starting with a 4 and having 75% US parts.> Philip, on the left coast, you will find mostly "1" Corollas, No> Corollas here are made in Japan, while Mike will see more "2" Corollas> there in the mountainous region of PA>

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BenDover@mailcity.c­om wrote:>

Camrys will have a 4, Tacomas are 5. They are made elsewhere. If its a> UAW contract that requires a certain number for US content, it would> explain why I see Camrys made in the US with 75% US parts start with a> 4. Camrys on the left coase will be about 60% US ones, 40% from Japan.>

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MDT if those Toyota indeed had 75% American parts, one has to> wonder where they got them. One would have to assume Toyota buys> parts in the US that are then shipped to Japan for installation> into the cars they ship to the US. Then turns around and sends> Japanese part to the US to be installed in the Camrys with the 4> and 5 in the VIN. No wonder the Camry costs 20% to 30% more than> its domestic competitors LOL>

Hogwash MDT! If they had 75% American part they would have a 1> not a 4.

MikeHunt@lycos.com wrote:>

Mike, they use lots of American parts. But keep in mind, America> includes Canada also. I seen one today, it was Japan Produced and> contains 70% US parts. Most Camrys are built here.>

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MikeHunt@lycos.com wrote:>

Mike, I was speaking of new ones. I look at the sticker on the rear pass> side window. It tells you the US content and foreign. They must stay by> law. Would you like me to take my camera to work tomorrow and show you?> I asked you this already and you went silent. So I know you dont want to> hear the answer. The VIN number has nothing to do with content for the> Toyotas. It may like you said with a union contract, but the NUMMI plant> in the only union one. I dont think the non union plants have to comply> with some UAW contract. All Camrys had a 4 in Georgetown Kentucky plant.> % didnt change it at all.> -->

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You keep saying that, but it would be unlawful to assign an> incorrect first digit to the VIN. The first number assigned to> the VIN, indicating county of origin, is defined by federal law. > The designation for Japan J, and the 4 and 5 assigned for vehicle> assembled in the US are defied as well.

MajorDomo@mailcity.­com wrote:>

Can you direct me to a site pointing any of this out?>

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