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CarGuru > Toyota > Re: Re: Others beside Toyota have a sludge problem 6 April 2005 16:51:59

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Re: Re: Others beside Toyota have a sludge problem

Progoddess 5 April 2005 02:23:20
 "Richard37" wrote: > Josh wrote: > >
So far NOT ONE car that has been properly maintained has had > sludge...I > stand by the statement... > [Sluge has been repeatedly found in some motors that have been > properly > maintained; that is the point of the warranty extention issued > by Toyota and > others]. >
Sludge is caused by not changing your oil. > [This is not a logical statement. Sludge is created when > various > contaminants, in the presence of water, can no longer be > nutralized and held > in suspension by the oil. Some motors under some use > conditons can go a > very very long time without the motor experiencing sludge > formation. It is > circular reasoning to say it is caused by not changing your > oil. One needs > to change the oil just before the oil's ability to nutralize > the acids and > hold the solids in suspension is lost. Most Americans tend to > change the oil > too frequently under this criteria]. >  >> > Normal varnish is to be expected. This is a golden browning, > like the color of toast, but its only a discoloration, not a > build up of > sludge and in normal and unavoidable. > [Varnish is formed by the exposure of certain compounds > (usually associated > with viscosity index improvers) to air and heat. Avoiding > multi-viscosity > oils that use excessive amounts of viscosity index improver is > the best way > to avoid varnish formation. It is avoidable and excess varnish > formation can > cause stuck and even cracked rings.] >
A properly formulate synthetic tends to use a lot less > viscosity index > improver additives, and tends to do a much better job at > forming coke, > neutralizing acids, holding solids in suspension, and > marinating stable > viscosity over time. If you change your oil ever 2,500 miles > your motor will > not demand those improved characteristics; except possibly > better cold > weather flow characteristics. >
Richard.

How much does it generally cost to repair this?

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Sleeker GT Phwoar 6 April 2005 16:49:49 permanent link ]
 In article <ltmb41piuugjk13k1a­6mmo5l68d6nvhs48@4ax­.com>,
NotInTheNextLifetim­e@nope.ucan't says...> So far NOT ONE car that has been properly maintained has had sludge...>
I know of one case of a Saab 2.3 engine in the US, owned by a long term
Saab owner, who has owned most models, done his own maintenance on older
ones he owned (including engine rebuilds and transmission swaps) and
using Dealer servicing on brand models he has owned.

The car failed, mid way between services. And the failure was
catastrophic.
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Sleeker GT Phwoar 6 April 2005 16:51:59 permanent link ]
 In article <3aqro2F6b872oU1@in­dividual.net>, nospamatall@nospamh­ere.com
says...>
"Car Guy" <ac222@hotmail.com>­ wrote in message> news:-L-dnctiXsOzbN­jfRVn-gA@rogers.com.­..> > Lots of engines have varnish inside of it and that is normal because they> > used regular oil and varnish is part of it.> >
The way I look at it, if sludge was created even if oil was changed every> > time, this would not have been isolated to only 3000 cases out of 300K> cars,> > but rather all 300K cars would be back showing sludge related engine> > failures.> >
Bottom line: Change your oil as required based on your driving style and> > use a good quality oil and filter.> >
I tend to use Mobil 1 5W30 year round with the OEM Toyota Filter from> Japan.> > I change the oil every 4,500 miles and the engine is sludge free and very> > clean.>
4,500 miles using fully synthetic oil? That's over caution, I can> understand changing it that often on mineral oils. In the UK service> intervals are 9,000 miles for most cars, with some even longer. I use fully> synthetics as they are much superior to mineral oils going the 9,000 without> any problems in degradation.>
3000 miles for older Saab turbos, 4.5k for newer ones. Saab Turbo oil
has always been rebadged/formulated­ Mobil 1.
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