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MOT regs abs warning lights
Rob 3 May 2005 19:09:23
	whats the mot deal with these the cavs just failed on the abs light staying on (as well as sky high emissions) anyone know the law when it comes to abs lights is it ok just to whip the bulb out ?
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Timmmmayyy! 3 May 2005 19:30:53 [ permanent link ]
	Don`t know about the law, however abs will always fail safe, there is no danger in having the abs not working. "Rob" <finlayson1SPAMTRAP@ntlworld.com> wrote in message newsuMde.10630$l37.7351@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...> whats the mot deal with these> the cavs just failed on the abs light staying on (as well as sky high> emissions)> anyone know the law when it comes to abs lights is it ok just to whip the> bulb out ?>
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Depresion 3 May 2005 19:47:53 [ permanent link ]
	"Rob" <finlayson1SPAMTRAP@ntlworld.com> wrote in message newsuMde.10630$l37.7351@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...> whats the mot deal with these> the cavs just failed on the abs light staying on (as well as sky high > emissions)> anyone know the law when it comes to abs lights is it ok just to whip the bulb > out ? Well it should fail on that as well it depends on how visible the light is when off. If you were to remove the light completely then it should pass but if they notice a bulb out for it then it should fail.
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Chet 3 May 2005 19:55:04 [ permanent link ]
	timmmmayyy! wrote:> Don`t know about the law, however abs will always fail safe, there is> no danger in having the abs not working.> One word, "bendix" I'm sure Dojj will verify that too ;) -- Chet www.retro-renault.com
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Ronny 3 May 2005 19:55:42 [ permanent link ]
	"timmmmayyy!" <timmmmayyy@nospamplease.com> wrote in message news:4277992a$0$566$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net...> Don`t know about the law, however abs will always fail safe, there is no> danger in having the abs not working. The MOT tester normally looks at a list of cars and how the ABS should light up, some stay on for 5 secs when you start car, some when you turn on ignition, some stay on longer/shorter. Just take the bulb out and hope for the best, although you should not have bought it with the ABS light lit all the time. It will be a faulty sensor I would imagine. If the car is old enough, I doubt the tester will even know it has ABS
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Rob 3 May 2005 22:45:15 [ permanent link ]
	its a 1995 Cav sri 16v eco tec thingy quite nice too failed the mot on emissions(no cat no silencers) and the abs is the other biggy rest is easy sorts beam alignment and a cv boot in regards to the abs does removing the bulb from the dash(retro cool 80's digi dash) and taping over the abs logo constitute removing it? got a couple of sensors to swops over and try see how it goes else its being removed is it ok to retro remove abs from a car????
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LordyUK 4 May 2005 00:16:26 [ permanent link ]
	in regards to the abs does removing the bulb from the dash and > taping over the abs logo constitute removing it? Just remove the bulb, you'd be /very/ unlucky to get caught out by a garage monkey failing you on the lamp not lighting up for pre-test. A thought tho, does it have SRS... ? If so, just wire the ABS bulb up to the SRS light, so that both lamps come on for the airbag pre-test -- Lordy.UK
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Timmmmayyy! 4 May 2005 02:55:19 [ permanent link ]
	"Chet" <chet@eircom.net> wrote in message news:d586t1$9i1$1@reader01.news.esat.net...> timmmmayyy! wrote:> > Don`t know about the law, however abs will always fail safe, there is> > no danger in having the abs not working.> > One word, "bendix" I'm sure Dojj will verify that too ;)> --> Chet> www.retro-renault.com> As found in older fords? It is beacuse the servo action is via a pump. On the vaux (bosch) the brakes are sperate from the abs function. Any failure and normal braking occurs.
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Chet 4 May 2005 04:05:54 [ permanent link ]
	"timmmmayyy!" <timmmmayyy@nospamplease.com> wrote in message news:42780155$0$564$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net...> "Chet" <chet@eircom.net> wrote in message> news:d586t1$9i1$1@reader01.news.esat.net...> > timmmmayyy! wrote:> > > Don`t know about the law, however abs will always fail safe, there is> > > no danger in having the abs not working.> > > One word, "bendix" I'm sure Dojj will verify that too ;)> > --> > Chet> > www.retro-renault.com> > As found in older fords?> It is beacuse the servo action is via a pump.> On the vaux (bosch) the brakes are sperate from the abs function. Any> failure and normal braking occurs.> Older fords, renaults and some pugs i think. Its just your statement "there is no danger in having the abs not working." can be a little misleading
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Jb 4 May 2005 04:08:52 [ permanent link ]
	"timmmmayyy!" <timmmmayyy@nospamplease.com> wrote in message news:42780155$0$564$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net...> "Chet" <chet@eircom.net> wrote in message> news:d586t1$9i1$1@reader01.news.esat.net...>> timmmmayyy! wrote:>> > Don`t know about the law, however abs will always fail safe, there is>> > no danger in having the abs not working.>> > One word, "bendix" I'm sure Dojj will verify that too ;)>> -->> Chet>> www.retro-renault.com>> As found in older fords?> It is beacuse the servo action is via a pump.> On the vaux (bosch) the brakes are sperate from the abs function. Any> failure and normal braking occurs. and older teeves systems....
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DervMan 4 May 2005 10:22:32 [ permanent link ]
	"Rob" <finlayson1SPAMTRAP@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:%EPde.16512$Y46.7369@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...> its a 1995 Cav sri 16v eco tec thingy quite nice too> failed the mot on emissions(no cat no silencers)> and the abs is the other biggy rest is easy sorts beam alignment and a cv > boot> in regards to the abs does removing the bulb from the dash(retro cool 80's > digi dash) and taping over the abs logo constitute removing it?> got a couple of sensors to swops over and try see how it goes else its > being removed> is it ok to retro remove abs from a car???? Yeah it's fine. A few of the Ka Klub Muppets did it, but they were Muppets before they removed ABS, heh... -- The DervMan www.dervman.com
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Guest 4 May 2005 13:43:27 [ permanent link ]
	Apparently on date Wed, 4 May 2005 01:05:54 +0100, "Chet" <usenet@retro-renault.com> said: "timmmmayyy!" <timmmmayyy@nospamplease.com> wrote in message>news:42780155$0$564$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net...>> "Chet" <chet@eircom.net> wrote in message>> news:d586t1$9i1$1@reader01.news.esat.net...>> > timmmmayyy! wrote:>> > > Don`t know about the law, however abs will always fail safe, there is>> > > no danger in having the abs not working.>> > > One word, "bendix" I'm sure Dojj will verify that too ;)>> > -->> > Chet>> > www.retro-renault.com>> > As found in older fords?>> It is beacuse the servo action is via a pump.>> On the vaux (bosch) the brakes are sperate from the abs function. Any>> failure and normal braking occurs.>> Older fords, renaults and some pugs i think. Its just your statement "there>is no danger in having the abs not working." can be a little misleading There's also some cars where they use the ABS to define brake balance front to rear. The reason to have a front/rear brake balancer gadget is because without one, when you brake hard, the rear tyres lose grip compared to the front tyres due to weight transfer and the car will swap ends and slide backwards into the future. So there's a valve that makes the back brakes work much less hard than the front to avoid this happening, properly set up the front tyres will lock up before the rear tyres do and the car may end up skidding, but it will do it in the forwards direction. With ABS, though, the wheels shouldn't ever lock up so you might as well not bother with a front/rear balancer and just use the ABS to prevent rear lockup. For a start, you don't want the rear tyres to be taking it easy when they could be braking fully to their limit, which on a non ABS with a balancer should never be the case. Anyway, when the ABS system works in this fashion, if it fails, there is no front-rear bias system and whenever you brake hard, the back end will step out and cross the other carriageway, leaving you pointing in the wrong direction. Not all cars with ABS do it that way, though, I would generally find out somewhere safe before assuming it is either safe or dangerous with the failed ABS.
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Timmmmayyy! 4 May 2005 14:16:26 [ permanent link ]
	<Questions@forgotten.what.this.was.now.com> wrote in message news:mr5h719baim8tfjhl5ch63ecamhc8r3oag@4ax.com...> Apparently on date Wed, 4 May 2005 01:05:54 +0100, "Chet"> <usenet@retro-renault.com> said:> "timmmmayyy!" <timmmmayyy@nospamplease.com> wrote in message> >news:42780155$0$564$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net...> >> "Chet" <chet@eircom.net> wrote in message> >> news:d586t1$9i1$1@reader01.news.esat.net...> >> > timmmmayyy! wrote:> >> > > Don`t know about the law, however abs will always fail safe, there no danger in having the abs not working.> >> > > One word, "bendix" I'm sure Dojj will verify that too ;)> >> > --> >> > Chet> >> > www.retro-renault.com> >> > As found in older fords?> >> It is beacuse the servo action is via a pump.> >> On the vaux (bosch) the brakes are sperate from the abs function. Any> >> failure and normal braking occurs.> >> Older fords, renaults and some pugs i think. Its just your statement "there> >is no danger in having the abs not working." can be a little misleading > There's also some cars where they use the ABS to define brake balance front to> rear. The reason to have a front/rear brake balancer gadget is because without> one, when you brake hard, the rear tyres lose grip compared to the front tyres> due to weight transfer and the car will swap ends and slide backwards into future.> So there's a valve that makes the back brakes work much less hard than the> front to avoid this happening, properly set up the front tyres will lock before the rear tyres do and the car may end up skidding, but it will do it in> the forwards direction.> With ABS, though, the wheels shouldn't ever lock up so you might as well bother with a front/rear balancer and just use the ABS to prevent rear lockup.> For a start, you don't want the rear tyres to be taking it easy when they could> be braking fully to their limit, which on a non ABS with a balancer should> never be the case.> Anyway, when the ABS system works in this fashion, if it fails, there is front-rear bias system and whenever you brake hard, the back end will step and cross the other carriageway, leaving you pointing in the wrong direction.> Not all cars with ABS do it that way, though, I would generally find out> somewhere safe before assuming it is either safe or dangerous with the failed> ABS.> The vaux in question uses a bias valve. I dout any manufactur will not produce a car without a bias valve as fail safe is very important with anything to do with brakes. It might not be set up as conservately though, on abs models!
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Chet 4 May 2005 14:54:42 [ permanent link ]
	timmmmayyy! wrote:> <Questions@forgotten.what.this.was.now.com> wrote in message> news:mr5h719baim8tfjhl5ch63ecamhc8r3oag@4ax.com...>> Apparently on date Wed, 4 May 2005 01:05:54 +0100, "Chet">> <usenet@retro-renault.com> said:>> "timmmmayyy!" <timmmmayyy@nospamplease.com> wrote in message>>> news:42780155$0$564$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net...>>>> "Chet" <chet@eircom.net> wrote in message>>>> news:d586t1$9i1$1@reader01.news.esat.net...>>>>> timmmmayyy! wrote:>>>>>> Don`t know about the law, however abs will always fail safe,>>>>>> there is no danger in having the abs not working.>>>>>> One word, "bendix" I'm sure Dojj will verify that too ;)>>>>> -->>>>> Chet>>>>> www.retro-renault.com>>>>> As found in older fords?>>>> It is beacuse the servo action is via a pump.>>>> On the vaux (bosch) the brakes are sperate from the abs function.>>>> Any failure and normal braking occurs.>>>> Older fords, renaults and some pugs i think. Its just your>>> statement "there is no danger in having the abs not working." can>>> be a little misleading >> There's also some cars where they use the ABS to define brake>> balance front to rear. The reason to have a front/rear brake>> balancer gadget is because without one, when you brake hard, the>> rear tyres lose grip compared to the front tyres due to weight>> transfer and the car will swap ends and slide backwards into the>> future.>> So there's a valve that makes the back brakes work much less hard>> than the front to avoid this happening, properly set up the front>> tyres will lock up before the rear tyres do and the car may end up>> skidding, but it will do it in the forwards direction.>> With ABS, though, the wheels shouldn't ever lock up so you might as>> well not bother with a front/rear balancer and just use the ABS to>> prevent rear lockup. For a start, you don't want the rear tyres to>> be taking it easy when they could be braking fully to their limit,>> which on a non ABS with a balancer should never be the case.>> Anyway, when the ABS system works in this fashion, if it fails,>> there is no front-rear bias system and whenever you brake hard, the>> back end will step out and cross the other carriageway, leaving you>> pointing in the wrong direction.>> Not all cars with ABS do it that way, though, I would generally find>> out somewhere safe before assuming it is either safe or dangerous>> with the failed ABS.>> The vaux in question uses a bias valve.> I dout any manufactur will not produce a car without a bias valve as> fail safe is very important with anything to do with brakes.> It might not be set up as conservately though, on abs models! The renaults have the same bias valves, with or without abs. Its normally seized solid tho, which is nice way to fail the test. -- Chet www.retro-renault.com
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Fishman 4 May 2005 15:19:43 [ permanent link ]
	The bias valves, when they fail, transmit almost no braking to the rears so they in effect fail safe also.
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Guest 4 May 2005 15:32:50 [ permanent link ]
	Apparently on date Wed, 4 May 2005 11:16:26 +0100, "timmmmayyy!" <timmmmayyy@nospamplease.com> said: <Questions@forgotten.what.this.was.now.com> wrote in message>> Apparently on date Wed, 4 May 2005 01:05:54 +0100, "Chet">> is no danger in having the abs not working." can be a little misleading>> There's also some cars where they use the ABS to define brake balance>> Not all cars with ABS do it that way, though, I would generally find out>> somewhere safe before assuming it is either safe or dangerous with the>failed>> ABS.>> The vaux in question uses a bias valve. Most do, my Ford does. But it's not always so. I dout any manufactur will not produce a car without a bias valve as fail>safe is very important with anything to do with brakes. Well, I learned this was possible when I read the handbook on sommat, Audi A8 I think it was, where they made this point about the ABS on that car. It might not be set up as conservately though, on abs models! Not really had the chance to experiment on the Ford, on my TR7 the back drums aren't doing a lot of work as the balancer is quite pronounced. I wonder if there is any point in making it less conservative? The ABS would kick in on the front and the rears would then grip gradually more as the pressure was increased still further, which might be a good thing.
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Chris B 5 May 2005 04:58:00 [ permanent link ]
	"timmmmayyy!" <timmmmayyy@nospamplease.com> wrote in message news:4277992a$0$566$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net...> Don`t know about the law, however abs will always fail safe, there is no> danger in having the abs not working. A mate of mine had a Vauxhall Calibra with a VERY odd ABS malfunction... In the wet (at least it seemed to happen to him in the rain), if the ABS kicked in, the brakes would simply release and not re-apply. I'm serious - it'd only happen if he locked a wheel. Totally weird and I don't know the cause - but, at least in this case, the ABS definately did not fail safe. Chris. "Rob" <finlayson1SPAMTRAP@ntlworld.com> wrote in message> newsuMde.10630$l37.7351@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...>> whats the mot deal with these>> the cavs just failed on the abs light staying on (as well as sky high>> emissions)>> anyone know the law when it comes to abs lights is it ok just to whip the>> bulb out ?>>
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Gareth A . 6 May 2005 20:07:44 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 4 May 2005 01:05:54 +0100, "Chet" <usenet@retro-renault.com> wrote: "timmmmayyy!" <timmmmayyy@nospamplease.com> wrote in message>news:42780155$0$564$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net...>> "Chet" <chet@eircom.net> wrote in message>> news:d586t1$9i1$1@reader01.news.esat.net...>> > timmmmayyy! wrote:>> > > Don`t know about the law, however abs will always fail safe, there is>> > > no danger in having the abs not working.>> > > One word, "bendix" I'm sure Dojj will verify that too ;)>> > -->> > Chet>> > www.retro-renault.com>> > As found in older fords?>> It is beacuse the servo action is via a pump.>> On the vaux (bosch) the brakes are sperate from the abs function. Any>> failure and normal braking occurs.>> Older fords, renaults and some pugs i think. Its just your statement "there>is no danger in having the abs not working." can be a little misleading Yeah, a colleague had a Pug 405 Mi16 and the Bendix unit failed. He ended up taking a sharp corner very very fast and was lucky to keep it on the road. It was going to cost quite a few hundred even for a recon unit so it was eventually sold to somebody who needed the engine for a transplant into a Mini or something.. Gareth
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DervMan 7 May 2005 12:30:38 [ permanent link ]
	"Gareth A." <gareth@nospamplease-attrill.co.uk> wrote in message news:ke5n715fk3inqrmc25tv26gbur52gp8e39@4ax.com...> On Wed, 4 May 2005 01:05:54 +0100, "Chet" <usenet@retro-renault.com>> wrote:> "timmmmayyy!" <timmmmayyy@nospamplease.com> wrote in message>>news:42780155$0$564$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net...>>> "Chet" <chet@eircom.net> wrote in message>>> news:d586t1$9i1$1@reader01.news.esat.net...>>> > timmmmayyy! wrote:>>> > > Don`t know about the law, however abs will always fail safe, there >>> > > is>>> > > no danger in having the abs not working.>>> > > One word, "bendix" I'm sure Dojj will verify that too ;)>>> > -->>> > Chet>>> > www.retro-renault.com>>> > As found in older fords?>>> It is beacuse the servo action is via a pump.>>> On the vaux (bosch) the brakes are sperate from the abs function. Any>>> failure and normal braking occurs.>>> Older fords, renaults and some pugs i think. Its just your statement >>"there>>is no danger in having the abs not working." can be a little misleading > Yeah, a colleague had a Pug 405 Mi16 and the Bendix unit failed. He> ended up taking a sharp corner very very fast and was lucky to keep it> on the road. Heh, when I first read that, it was as though the Bendix failure caused him to find a sharp twisty corner... ...a mate of mine would say that if the car went around the corner at that speed he'd not need the brakes anyway! It was going to cost quite a few hundred even for a recon unit so it> was eventually sold to somebody who needed the engine for a transplant> into a Mini or something.. -- The DervMan www.dervman.com
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