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OT: wireless networks

Carl Gibbs 27 April 2005 01:04:32
 OK, i dont know anything about this, but am after some info. I understand
the principle of it, but is it possible to have a wireless connection from a
phone point without a PC (say in a lounge) to a PC (say in a study next
door) so it gets web access without running stupid wires everywhere that
look untidy.

If that is possible could you point me towards some decent hardware.
Nothing spangly, only needs to be for a couple of computers.

Moving house at the weekend in case you hadnt guessed :)­

Cheers

Carl


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SteveH 27 April 2005 01:20:23 permanent link ]
 Carl Gibbs <cagmeister@yahoo.c­o.uk> wrote:
OK, i dont know anything about this, but am after some info. I understand> the principle of it, but is it possible to have a wireless connection from a> phone point without a PC (say in a lounge) to a PC (say in a study next> door) so it gets web access without running stupid wires everywhere that> look untidy.>
If that is possible could you point me towards some decent hardware.> Nothing spangly, only needs to be for a couple of computers.>
Moving house at the weekend in case you hadnt guessed :)­

You need a WiFi router and WiFi USB dongles / PCI cards.

This looks good for the money:

http://www.ebuyer.c­om/customer/products­/index.html?action=c­2hvd19wcm9kdW
N0X292ZXJ2aWV3&prod­uct_uid=83433

(Combined ADSL 'modem' with WiFi router and USB dongle)

Additional PCs can be added to the network using more USB dongles / PCI
cards or PCMCIA cards in laptops.
--
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http://www.italianc­ar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300
Alfa 75 TSpark - Passat 1.8T - Golf Cabrio - COSOC KOTL
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Carl Gibbs 27 April 2005 01:59:40 permanent link ]
 
"SteveH" <steve@italiancar.c­o.uk> wrote in message
news:1gvnckb.12d99n­va7agwzN%steve@itali­ancar.co.uk...> Carl Gibbs <cagmeister@yahoo.c­o.uk> wrote:>
OK, i dont know anything about this, but am after some info. I
understand> > the principle of it, but is it possible to have a wireless connection
from a> > phone point without a PC (say in a lounge) to a PC (say in a study next> > door) so it gets web access without running stupid wires everywhere that> > look untidy.> >
If that is possible could you point me towards some decent hardware.> > Nothing spangly, only needs to be for a couple of computers.> >
Moving house at the weekend in case you hadnt guessed :)­>
You need a WiFi router and WiFi USB dongles / PCI cards.>
This looks good for the money:>
(Combined ADSL 'modem' with WiFi router and USB dongle)>
Additional PCs can be added to the network using more USB dongles / PCI> cards or PCMCIA cards in laptops.> --
Thats the sort of thing I'm after. Plus the old laptop (mostly just an MP3
player) has a PCMCIA Lan card thingy so I could easily hook that up too.
Bit cheaper would be better though. Gotta persuade the missus its a good
deal compared to a £10 phone extension lead :)­

Maybe this:
http://cgi.ebay.co.­uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?­ViewItem&category=44­997&item=57699872
62&rd=1


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SteveH 27 April 2005 02:02:25 permanent link ]
 Carl Gibbs <cagmeister@yahoo.c­o.uk> wrote:
"SteveH" <steve@italiancar.c­o.uk> wrote in message> news:1gvnckb.12d99n­va7agwzN%steve@itali­ancar.co.uk...> > Carl Gibbs <cagmeister@yahoo.c­o.uk> wrote:> >
OK, i dont know anything about this, but am after some info. I> understand> > > the principle of it, but is it possible to have a wireless connection> from a> > > phone point without a PC (say in a lounge) to a PC (say in a study next> > > door) so it gets web access without running stupid wires everywhere that> > > look untidy.> > >
If that is possible could you point me towards some decent hardware.> > > Nothing spangly, only needs to be for a couple of computers.> > >
Moving house at the weekend in case you hadnt guessed :)­> >
You need a WiFi router and WiFi USB dongles / PCI cards.> >
This looks good for the money:> >
(Combined ADSL 'modem' with WiFi router and USB dongle)> >
Additional PCs can be added to the network using more USB dongles / PCI> > cards or PCMCIA cards in laptops.> > --> Thats the sort of thing I'm after. Plus the old laptop (mostly just an MP3> player) has a PCMCIA Lan card thingy so I could easily hook that up too.> Bit cheaper would be better though. Gotta persuade the missus its a good> deal compared to a £10 phone extension lead :)­>

That'd do it.
--
Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
http://www.italianc­ar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300
Alfa 75 TSpark - Passat 1.8T - Golf Cabrio - COSOC KOTL
BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #
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Albert T Cone 27 April 2005 11:03:51 permanent link ]
 in news:3d7omqF6r1vqoU­1@individual.net, "Carl Gibbs"
<cagmeister@yahoo.c­o.uk> slurred :
OK, i dont know anything about this, but am after some info. I> understand the principle of it, but is it possible to have a wireless> connection from a phone point without a PC (say in a lounge) to a PC> (say in a study next door) so it gets web access without running> stupid wires everywhere that look untidy.>
If that is possible could you point me towards some decent hardware.> Nothing spangly, only needs to be for a couple of computers.>
Moving house at the weekend in case you hadnt guessed :)­>
Cheers>
Carl>

Yup, as SteveH said, you need a wireless router/ADSL modem, plus wireless
network cards/usb dongles/pcmcia adapter.

For the router I would recommend Netgear stuff - it's good reliable kit
with good support and instructions which don't appear to have been
translated via several other languages before reaching english, and
offers good customisation if you need it.

I'd suggest getting pcmcia/pci lan cards rather than USB dongles, 'cos
the usb dongles do present a CPU load, plus they stick out and they use
up a USB port.

You'll need a wired connection to get the ADSL and wireless security
stuff set up initially, but after that you can go wireless.

I'd look at ebuyer.com for buying - they normally seem to be about the
cheapest, and I've never had a problem with their service.

Good luck with the move...
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Carl Gibbs 27 April 2005 11:06:55 permanent link ]
 
"SteveH" <steve@italiancar.c­o.uk> wrote in message
news:1gvnens.68xx8l­17qf7j5N%steve@itali­ancar.co.uk...> Carl Gibbs <cagmeister@yahoo.c­o.uk> wrote:>
"SteveH" <steve@italiancar.c­o.uk> wrote in message> > news:1gvnckb.12d99n­va7agwzN%steve@itali­ancar.co.uk...> > > Carl Gibbs <cagmeister@yahoo.c­o.uk> wrote:> > >
OK, i dont know anything about this, but am after some info. I> > understand> > > > the principle of it, but is it possible to have a wireless
connection> > from a> > > > phone point without a PC (say in a lounge) to a PC (say in a study
next> > > > door) so it gets web access without running stupid wires everywhere
that> > > > look untidy.> > > >
If that is possible could you point me towards some decent hardware.> > > > Nothing spangly, only needs to be for a couple of computers.> > > >
Moving house at the weekend in case you hadnt guessed :)­> > >
You need a WiFi router and WiFi USB dongles / PCI cards.> > >
This looks good for the money:> > >
http://www.ebuyer.c­om/customer/products­/index.html?action=c­2hvd19wcm9kdW> > > N0X292ZXJ2aWV3&prod­uct_uid=83433> > >
(Combined ADSL 'modem' with WiFi router and USB dongle)> > >
Additional PCs can be added to the network using more USB dongles /
cards or PCMCIA cards in laptops.> > > --> > Thats the sort of thing I'm after. Plus the old laptop (mostly just an
player) has a PCMCIA Lan card thingy so I could easily hook that up too.> > Bit cheaper would be better though. Gotta persuade the missus its a good> > deal compared to a £10 phone extension lead :)­> >
Maybe this:> >
http://cgi.ebay.co.­uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?­ViewItem&category=44­997&item=57699872> > 62&rd=1>
That'd do it.

Cheers for your advice Steve. Got the router/modem, PCI card, PCMCIA card,
network lead, phone lead, 2 filters and software for £63 delivered. Happy
with that :)­


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Nom 27 April 2005 12:05:23 permanent link ]
 Carl Gibbs wrote:> "SteveH" <steve@italiancar.c­o.uk> wrote in message> news:1gvnckb.12d99n­va7agwzN%steve@itali­ancar.co.uk...>> Carl Gibbs <cagmeister@yahoo.c­o.uk> wrote:>>
OK, i dont know anything about this, but am after some info. I>>> understand the principle of it, but is it possible to have a>>> wireless connection from a phone point without a PC (say in a>>> lounge) to a PC (say in a study next door) so it gets web access>>> without running stupid wires everywhere that look untidy.>>>
If that is possible could you point me towards some decent hardware.>>> Nothing spangly, only needs to be for a couple of computers.>>>
Moving house at the weekend in case you hadnt guessed :)­>>
You need a WiFi router and WiFi USB dongles / PCI cards.>>
This looks good for the money:>>
(Combined ADSL 'modem' with WiFi router and USB dongle)>>
Additional PCs can be added to the network using more USB dongles />> PCI cards or PCMCIA cards in laptops.>> --> Thats the sort of thing I'm after. Plus the old laptop (mostly just> an MP3 player) has a PCMCIA Lan card thingy so I could easily hook> that up too. Bit cheaper would be better though. Gotta persuade the> missus its a good deal compared to a £10 phone extension lead :)­>

That's a keen price !
I've never used BT's kit though, so I've no idea if the router is any good.
I can't be arsed to find the specs, but if it doesn't support UPnP, good
luck setting up your port-forwarding rules :)­


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Nom 27 April 2005 12:05:36 permanent link ]
 Carl Gibbs wrote:> "SteveH" <steve@italiancar.c­o.uk> wrote in message> news:1gvnens.68xx8l­17qf7j5N%steve@itali­ancar.co.uk...>> Carl Gibbs <cagmeister@yahoo.c­o.uk> wrote:>>
"SteveH" <steve@italiancar.c­o.uk> wrote in message>>> news:1gvnckb.12d99n­va7agwzN%steve@itali­ancar.co.uk...>>>> Carl Gibbs <cagmeister@yahoo.c­o.uk> wrote:>>>>
OK, i dont know anything about this, but am after some info. I>>>>> understand the principle of it, but is it possible to have a>>>>> wireless connection from a phone point without a PC (say in a>>>>> lounge) to a PC (say in a study next door) so it gets web access>>>>> without running stupid wires everywhere that look untidy.>>>>>
If that is possible could you point me towards some decent>>>>> hardware. Nothing spangly, only needs to be for a couple of>>>>> computers.>>>>>
Moving house at the weekend in case you hadnt guessed :)­>>>>
You need a WiFi router and WiFi USB dongles / PCI cards.>>>>
This looks good for the money:>>>>
(Combined ADSL 'modem' with WiFi router and USB dongle)>>>>
Additional PCs can be added to the network using more USB dongles>>>> / PCI cards or PCMCIA cards in laptops.>>>> -->>> Thats the sort of thing I'm after. Plus the old laptop (mostly>>> just an MP3 player) has a PCMCIA Lan card thingy so I could easily>>> hook that up too. Bit cheaper would be better though. Gotta>>> persuade the missus its a good deal compared to a £10 phone>>> extension lead :)­>>>
Maybe this:>>>
That'd do it.>
Cheers for your advice Steve. Got the router/modem, PCI card, PCMCIA> card, network lead, phone lead, 2 filters and software for £63> delivered. Happy with that :)­

I hope it's good :)­


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LiviLion 27 April 2005 13:24:18 permanent link ]
 On 27 Apr 2005 07:03:51 GMT, Albert T Cone <me@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'd look at ebuyer.com for buying - they normally seem to be about the >cheapest, and I've never had a problem with their service.>
Good luck with the move...


A good site with very cheap kit is www.qtds.com.

They are in Park Royal in London and you can collect if nearby as the
postage is a bit dear IMO.

I got a couple of safecom usb wireless adaptors (ebuyer sell the exact
same ones) which are b+g which I use in adhoc mode to connect a couple
of PC's together and use ICS on one to share the broadband.

LL
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AstraVanMan 27 April 2005 15:44:46 permanent link ]
 
I'd look at ebuyer.com for buying - they normally seem to be about the> cheapest, and I've never had a problem with their service.>
Good luck with the move...

Last time I moved I swore blind that next time I wouldn't bother!

--
Peter

"Live your life so that one day, someone aspires to be the next you."
Get Circumcised to e-mail me


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Carl Gibbs 27 April 2005 20:00:45 permanent link ]
 
"Nom" <Nom@Somewhere.Some­where> wrote in message
news:d4nh3301ut0@ne­ws4.newsguy.com...> Carl Gibbs wrote:> > "SteveH" <steve@italiancar.c­o.uk> wrote in message> > news:1gvnckb.12d99n­va7agwzN%steve@itali­ancar.co.uk...> >> Carl Gibbs <cagmeister@yahoo.c­o.uk> wrote:> >>
OK, i dont know anything about this, but am after some info. I> >>> understand the principle of it, but is it possible to have a> >>> wireless connection from a phone point without a PC (say in a> >>> lounge) to a PC (say in a study next door) so it gets web access> >>> without running stupid wires everywhere that look untidy.> >>>
If that is possible could you point me towards some decent hardware.> >>> Nothing spangly, only needs to be for a couple of computers.> >>>
Moving house at the weekend in case you hadnt guessed :)­> >>
You need a WiFi router and WiFi USB dongles / PCI cards.> >>
This looks good for the money:> >>
http://www.ebuyer.c­om/customer/products­/index.html?action=c­2hvd19wcm9kdW> >> N0X292ZXJ2aWV3&prod­uct_uid=83433> >>
(Combined ADSL 'modem' with WiFi router and USB dongle)> >>
Additional PCs can be added to the network using more USB dongles /> >> PCI cards or PCMCIA cards in laptops.> >> --> > Thats the sort of thing I'm after. Plus the old laptop (mostly just> > an MP3 player) has a PCMCIA Lan card thingy so I could easily hook> > that up too. Bit cheaper would be better though. Gotta persuade the> > missus its a good deal compared to a £10 phone extension lead :)­> >
That's a keen price !

I thought so. And if it sucks and I can just it back on ebay.
I've never used BT's kit though, so I've no idea if the router is any
good.> I can't be arsed to find the specs, but if it doesn't support UPnP, good> luck setting up your port-forwarding rules :)­>
No idea what that means. think i'm gonna need a computer geek to help me :)­


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Carl Gibbs 28 April 2005 01:12:40 permanent link ]
 
"Nom" <Nom@Somewhere.Some­where> wrote in message
news:d4nh3301ut0@ne­ws4.newsguy.com...> Carl Gibbs wrote:> > "SteveH" <steve@italiancar.c­o.uk> wrote in message> > news:1gvnckb.12d99n­va7agwzN%steve@itali­ancar.co.uk...> >> Carl Gibbs <cagmeister@yahoo.c­o.uk> wrote:> >>
OK, i dont know anything about this, but am after some info. I> >>> understand the principle of it, but is it possible to have a> >>> wireless connection from a phone point without a PC (say in a> >>> lounge) to a PC (say in a study next door) so it gets web access> >>> without running stupid wires everywhere that look untidy.> >>>
If that is possible could you point me towards some decent hardware.> >>> Nothing spangly, only needs to be for a couple of computers.> >>>
Moving house at the weekend in case you hadnt guessed :)­> >>
You need a WiFi router and WiFi USB dongles / PCI cards.> >>
This looks good for the money:> >>
http://www.ebuyer.c­om/customer/products­/index.html?action=c­2hvd19wcm9kdW> >> N0X292ZXJ2aWV3&prod­uct_uid=83433> >>
(Combined ADSL 'modem' with WiFi router and USB dongle)> >>
Additional PCs can be added to the network using more USB dongles /> >> PCI cards or PCMCIA cards in laptops.> >> --> > Thats the sort of thing I'm after. Plus the old laptop (mostly just> > an MP3 player) has a PCMCIA Lan card thingy so I could easily hook> > that up too. Bit cheaper would be better though. Gotta persuade the> > missus its a good deal compared to a £10 phone extension lead :)­> >
That's a keen price !> I've never used BT's kit though, so I've no idea if the router is any
good.> I can't be arsed to find the specs, but if it doesn't support UPnP, good> luck setting up your port-forwarding rules :)­>

"UPnP (Internet Gateway Device) with NAT traversal capability" apparently.
So i guess thats a good thing


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Nom 28 April 2005 12:07:33 permanent link ]
 Carl Gibbs wrote:> "Nom" <Nom@Somewhere.Some­where> wrote in message> news:d4nh3301ut0@ne­ws4.newsguy.com...>>­ Carl Gibbs wrote:>>> "SteveH" <steve@italiancar.c­o.uk> wrote in message>>> news:1gvnckb.12d99n­va7agwzN%steve@itali­ancar.co.uk...>>>> Carl Gibbs <cagmeister@yahoo.c­o.uk> wrote:>>>>
OK, i dont know anything about this, but am after some info. I>>>>> understand the principle of it, but is it possible to have a>>>>> wireless connection from a phone point without a PC (say in a>>>>> lounge) to a PC (say in a study next door) so it gets web access>>>>> without running stupid wires everywhere that look untidy.>>>>>
If that is possible could you point me towards some decent>>>>> hardware. Nothing spangly, only needs to be for a couple of>>>>> computers.>>>>>
Moving house at the weekend in case you hadnt guessed :)­>>>>
You need a WiFi router and WiFi USB dongles / PCI cards.>>>>
This looks good for the money:>>>>
(Combined ADSL 'modem' with WiFi router and USB dongle)>>>>
Additional PCs can be added to the network using more USB dongles />>>> PCI cards or PCMCIA cards in laptops.>>>> -->>> Thats the sort of thing I'm after. Plus the old laptop (mostly just>>> an MP3 player) has a PCMCIA Lan card thingy so I could easily hook>>> that up too. Bit cheaper would be better though. Gotta persuade the>>> missus its a good deal compared to a £10 phone extension lead :)­>>>
That's a keen price !>
I thought so. And if it sucks and I can just it back on ebay.>
I've never used BT's kit though, so I've no idea if the router is>> any good. I can't be arsed to find the specs, but if it doesn't>> support UPnP, good luck setting up your port-forwarding rules :)­>>
No idea what that means.

Exactly :)­
Providing your applications support UPnP, then it basically makes the router
set up everything automagically - no knowledge is required.
Although, if you're never going to serve anything (XBox Live!, Online games,
Web, FTP etc.) then you'll probably never notice anyway...


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Nom 28 April 2005 12:11:31 permanent link ]
 Carl Gibbs wrote:> "Nom" <Nom@Somewhere.Some­where> wrote in message> news:d4nh3301ut0@ne­ws4.newsguy.com...>>­ Carl Gibbs wrote:>>> "SteveH" <steve@italiancar.c­o.uk> wrote in message>>> news:1gvnckb.12d99n­va7agwzN%steve@itali­ancar.co.uk...>>>> Carl Gibbs <cagmeister@yahoo.c­o.uk> wrote:>>>>
OK, i dont know anything about this, but am after some info. I>>>>> understand the principle of it, but is it possible to have a>>>>> wireless connection from a phone point without a PC (say in a>>>>> lounge) to a PC (say in a study next door) so it gets web access>>>>> without running stupid wires everywhere that look untidy.>>>>>
If that is possible could you point me towards some decent>>>>> hardware. Nothing spangly, only needs to be for a couple of>>>>> computers.>>>>>
Moving house at the weekend in case you hadnt guessed :)­>>>>
You need a WiFi router and WiFi USB dongles / PCI cards.>>>>
This looks good for the money:>>>>
(Combined ADSL 'modem' with WiFi router and USB dongle)>>>>
Additional PCs can be added to the network using more USB dongles />>>> PCI cards or PCMCIA cards in laptops.>>>> -->>> Thats the sort of thing I'm after. Plus the old laptop (mostly just>>> an MP3 player) has a PCMCIA Lan card thingy so I could easily hook>>> that up too. Bit cheaper would be better though. Gotta persuade the>>> missus its a good deal compared to a £10 phone extension lead :)­>>>
That's a keen price !>> I've never used BT's kit though, so I've no idea if the router is>> any good. I can't be arsed to find the specs, but if it doesn't>> support UPnP, good luck setting up your port-forwarding rules :)­>>
"UPnP (Internet Gateway Device) with NAT traversal capability"> apparently. So i guess thats a good thing

That's the beasty.

Providing your applications support it, UPnP directs unsolicited incoming
traffic to it's correct destination on your LAN, without you having to setup
port-forwarding rules.

So if you were to host a game on XBox Live!, the router would know where to
send the incoming connection requests (because the XBox would have told it,
via UPnP), from people wanting to join your game. If you had no UPnP, and
you hadn't setup port-forwarding, then those connection-requests­ would never
make it to your XBox - because the router would have no way of knowing which
of your machines should be getting them (cos they're all sharing a single IP
address).

If you have it, then turn it on - but make sure your WindowsUpdate (Control
Panel --> System --> AutoUpdates --> On) and AntiVirus is all uptodate first
!


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Carl Gibbs 28 April 2005 20:39:24 permanent link ]
 
"Nom" <Nom@Somewhere.Some­where> wrote in message
news:d4q5qb01gn3@ne­ws4.newsguy.com...> Carl Gibbs wrote:> > "Nom" <Nom@Somewhere.Some­where> wrote in message> > news:d4nh3301ut0@ne­ws4.newsguy.com...> >> Carl Gibbs wrote:> >>> "SteveH" <steve@italiancar.c­o.uk> wrote in message> >>> news:1gvnckb.12d99n­va7agwzN%steve@itali­ancar.co.uk...> >>>> Carl Gibbs <cagmeister@yahoo.c­o.uk> wrote:> >>>>
OK, i dont know anything about this, but am after some info. I> >>>>> understand the principle of it, but is it possible to have a> >>>>> wireless connection from a phone point without a PC (say in a> >>>>> lounge) to a PC (say in a study next door) so it gets web access> >>>>> without running stupid wires everywhere that look untidy.> >>>>>
If that is possible could you point me towards some decent> >>>>> hardware. Nothing spangly, only needs to be for a couple of> >>>>> computers.> >>>>>
Moving house at the weekend in case you hadnt guessed :)­> >>>>
You need a WiFi router and WiFi USB dongles / PCI cards.> >>>>
This looks good for the money:> >>>>
(Combined ADSL 'modem' with WiFi router and USB dongle)> >>>>
Additional PCs can be added to the network using more USB dongles /> >>>> PCI cards or PCMCIA cards in laptops.> >>>> --> >>> Thats the sort of thing I'm after. Plus the old laptop (mostly just> >>> an MP3 player) has a PCMCIA Lan card thingy so I could easily hook> >>> that up too. Bit cheaper would be better though. Gotta persuade the> >>> missus its a good deal compared to a £10 phone extension lead :)­> >>>
That's a keen price !> >> I've never used BT's kit though, so I've no idea if the router is> >> any good. I can't be arsed to find the specs, but if it doesn't> >> support UPnP, good luck setting up your port-forwarding rules :)­> >>
"UPnP (Internet Gateway Device) with NAT traversal capability"> > apparently. So i guess thats a good thing>
That's the beasty.>
Providing your applications support it, UPnP directs unsolicited incoming> traffic to it's correct destination on your LAN, without you having to
setup> port-forwarding rules.>
So if you were to host a game on XBox Live!, the router would know where
send the incoming connection requests (because the XBox would have told
it,> via UPnP), from people wanting to join your game. If you had no UPnP, and> you hadn't setup port-forwarding, then those connection-requests­ would
never> make it to your XBox - because the router would have no way of knowing
which> of your machines should be getting them (cos they're all sharing a single
address).>
If you have it, then turn it on - but make sure your WindowsUpdate
(Control> Panel --> System --> AutoUpdates --> On) and AntiVirus is all uptodate
first> !
Well its only going to be used with one main computer. Occasionally a 2nd
and a laptop so probably wouldnt notice it anyway


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