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SteveH 17 April 2005 01:17:10
	2 year old MG-TF, 13k miles, ВЈ6k Even I have to be tempted for that kind of money - I reckon that it'll still be worth that in 2 or 3 years time. -- Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - VW Passat 1.8T 20V SE - COSOC KOTL BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #
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Rushing7 17 April 2005 01:41:30 [ permanent link ]
	"SteveH" <steve@italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message news:1gv4tvg.rqacay3njgeoN%steve@italiancar.co.uk...> 2 year old MG-TF, 13k miles, Ј6k> Even I have to be tempted for that kind of money - I reckon that it'll> still be worth that in 2 or 3 years time. Bargain !
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AstraVanMan 17 April 2005 01:48:42 [ permanent link ]
	2 year old MG-TF, 13k miles, Ј6k> Even I have to be tempted for that kind of money - I reckon that it'll> still be worth that in 2 or 3 years time. Steve, are you losing your mind? Does this feature the same 1.8 K-series that blew a head gasket on the mother-in-law's car at a similar mileage? On a car where warranty claims are going to be even less likely to be a success? I'd say "How fucking much?" at that price myself - given the current state of Rover I'd only want to give around Ј2k for that! -- Peter "A field event exists that is vaguely similar to throwing a frisby. Discus." Get Circumcised to e-mail me
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SteveH 17 April 2005 01:51:27 [ permanent link ]
	AstraVanMan <Peter@SwerveForeskinWeb.com> wrote: 2 year old MG-TF, 13k miles, ВЈ6k> > Even I have to be tempted for that kind of money - I reckon that it'll> > still be worth that in 2 or 3 years time.> Steve, are you losing your mind? Does this feature the same 1.8 K-series> that blew a head gasket on the mother-in-law's car at a similar mileage? On> a car where warranty claims are going to be even less likely to be a> success? I'd say "How fucking much?" at that price myself - given the> current state of Rover I'd only want to give around ВЈ2k for that! Seriously - I know all about the K-series engine, and any dealer worth it's salt will honour warranty claims. If not, there's always the option of a 3rd party warranty for a few hundred quid a year. At the moment, people are selling for exactly the reasons you give - but in a couple of years once the dust has settled the MG-F and TF will be sought after cars. IMHO, of course, but I reckon you could run a TF at that price for a couple of years and sell it for the same price as you bought it for. Maybe even a little more. -- Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - VW Passat 1.8T 20V SE - COSOC KOTL BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #
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Steve Firth 17 April 2005 03:23:50 [ permanent link ]
	AstraVanMan <Peter@SwerveForeskinWeb.com> wrote: Steve, are you losing your mind? Does this feature the same 1.8 K-series> that blew a head gasket on the mother-in-law's car at a similar mileage? On> a car where warranty claims are going to be even less likely to be a> success? I'd say "How fucking much?" at that price myself - given the> current state of Rover I'd only want to give around ВЈ2k for that! Not only that but a car prone to dumping all the coolant on the floor then promptly warping the head. Even 10p would be too much. OTOH Steve drives the Italian version of a Rover, go figure. -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759
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SteveH 17 April 2005 03:27:16 [ permanent link ]
	Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote: AstraVanMan <Peter@SwerveForeskinWeb.com> wrote:> Steve, are you losing your mind? Does this feature the same 1.8 K-series> > that blew a head gasket on the mother-in-law's car at a similar mileage? On> > a car where warranty claims are going to be even less likely to be a> > success? I'd say "How fucking much?" at that price myself - given the> > current state of Rover I'd only want to give around ВЈ2k for that!> Not only that but a car prone to dumping all the coolant on the floor> then promptly warping the head. Even 10p would be too much. 3rd party warranty - about ВЈ500 for 2 years cover. Once this is up, flog it for ВЈ6k..... OTOH Steve drives the Italian version of a Rover, go figure. I'm insulted. Italian MG would be more accurate Only, Alfa are ring-fenced from Fiat as they're quite profitable and solvent. -- Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - VW Passat 1.8T 20V SE - COSOC KOTL BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #
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Homer 17 April 2005 04:02:22 [ permanent link ]
	"SteveH" <steve@italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message news:1gv4tvg.rqacay3njgeoN%steve@italiancar.co.uk...>2 year old MG-TF, 13k miles, Ј6k> Even I have to be tempted for that kind of money - I reckon that it'll> still be worth that in 2 or 3 years time. As long it's a 1.8 135, buy it, you can't lose, half price TF. Once the craziness has died down people will realise that it doesn't matter that the factory is no longer there, and you can still get he parts for them. Think of the alternatives if you want that type of car, there's the common as muck MX5 or god forbid a Z3.
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Homer 17 April 2005 05:33:25 [ permanent link ]
	"Vamp" <none@none.com> wrote in message news:dbCdnfz5gPqdKvzfRVnyvA@pipex.net...> trash! my MR2 at Ј5k is a better car! Your MR2 at Ј5k would be a ripoff, you could import a similar one for about 4k OTR. i'd rather have a more common MX5 with some nice little mods than a lardy > shitty looking MGTF! Your MR2 is in no position to accuse other cars of being lardy My old Golf 16V with a few minor mods had a better power to weight ratio than a standard MR2 turdo has.
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Depresion 17 April 2005 08:19:44 [ permanent link ]
	"SteveH" <steve@italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message news:1gv4tvg.rqacay3njgeoN%steve@italiancar.co.uk...>2 year old MG-TF, 13k miles, Ј6k> Even I have to be tempted for that kind of money - I reckon that it'll> still be worth that in 2 or 3 years time.> I admit to spending a little time looking at a ZT 260.
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Tim S Kemp 17 April 2005 11:04:44 [ permanent link ]
	AstraVanMan wrote:>> 2 year old MG-TF, 13k miles, Ј6k>> Even I have to be tempted for that kind of money - I reckon that>> it'll still be worth that in 2 or 3 years time.> Steve, are you losing your mind? Does this feature the same 1.8> K-series that blew a head gasket on the mother-in-law's car at a> similar mileage? On a car where warranty claims are going to be even> less likely to be a success? I'd say "How fucking much?" at that> price myself - given the current state of Rover I'd only want to give> around Ј2k for that! It's all about cooling. Also for 6k I'd haggle a grand off, stick it in the bank for a head rebuild.... -- "Excuse me, would you mind not farting while I'm saving the world?" "Would you rather silent but deadly?"
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Tim S Kemp 17 April 2005 11:05:46 [ permanent link ]
	Homer wrote:> "SteveH" <steve@italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message> news:1gv4tvg.rqacay3njgeoN%steve@italiancar.co.uk...>> 2 year old MG-TF, 13k miles, Ј6k>> Even I have to be tempted for that kind of money - I reckon that>> it'll still be worth that in 2 or 3 years time.> As long it's a 1.8 135, buy it, you can't lose, half price TF. Once> the craziness has died down people will realise that it doesn't> matter that the factory is no longer there, and you can still get he> parts for them. 160 is better - lovely car, will do indicated 140 no problem. -- "Excuse me, would you mind not farting while I'm saving the world?" "Would you rather silent but deadly?"
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Vamp 17 April 2005 16:30:41 [ permanent link ]
	"Homer" <feckinstupid@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4261bcb6$0$94508$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...> "Vamp" <none@none.com> wrote in message > news:dbCdnfz5gPqdKvzfRVnyvA@pipex.net...>> trash! my MR2 at Ј5k is a better car!> Your MR2 at Ј5k would be a ripoff, you could import a similar one for > about 4k OTR.> probably could now, not when i got mine in october and not in the condition i got mine in! i'd rather have a more common MX5 with some nice little mods than a lardy >> shitty looking MGTF!> Your MR2 is in no position to accuse other cars of being lardy My old > Golf 16V with a few minor mods had a better power to weight ratio than a > standard MR2 turdo has.> maybe so on lardy but the turbo helps that! couldn't care that the MGTF is only 2 years old i'd still rather have 100 other cars before evem considering any MG!
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JackH 17 April 2005 16:43:52 [ permanent link ]
	"Vamp" <none@none.com> wrote in message news:f_Sdncmn5csGy__fRVnyiQ@pipex.net... i had a run in with a 160 MGF in my old MK1 MR2 up a lip road, he couldn't> pass... At least he could safely stop in a hurry, if needs be. I've had a Mk1 MR2 btw... the brakes were the worst thing about it (after the rot, that is), especially if you needed to brake hard of an uneven road surface. -- JackH
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Sleeker GT Phwoar 17 April 2005 17:24:53 [ permanent link ]
	In article <1gv4vee.uuuv0r158hqetN%steve@italiancar.co.uk>, steve@italiancar.co.uk says...> At the moment, people are selling for exactly the reasons you give -> but in a couple of years once the dust has settled the MG-F and TF will> be sought after cars.> And the MG brand was ringfenced along with a load of the other former rover group assets, so there is nothing to stop Pheonix selling it later to a small niche market manufacturer later as a premium brand like it originally started out. So it will maybe even be worth more in 10 years than it is now. -- Carl Robson "Sorry Sir the meatballs are orf" (The poster formerly known as Skodapilot) http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
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Vamp 17 April 2005 17:57:02 [ permanent link ]
	"JackH" <jackhackettuk@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:3cf3vsF6lq1rcU1@individual.net...> "Vamp" <none@none.com> wrote in message> news:f_Sdncmn5csGy__fRVnyiQ@pipex.net...> i had a run in with a 160 MGF in my old MK1 MR2 up a lip road, he >> couldn't>> pass...> At least he could safely stop in a hurry, if needs be.> I've had a Mk1 MR2 btw... the brakes were the worst thing about it (after> the rot, that is), especially if you needed to brake hard of an uneven > road> surface.> --> JackH> yeah but that makes it fun, although i did have to plan my breaking before i set off anywhere over heat real bad i found too! could be a bit scary. MKII brakes are a lot better thankfully! a turbo with MK1 brakes would scare the pants off me!
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Tom De Moor 17 April 2005 18:23:08 [ permanent link ]
	In article <3cf77bF5vacm4U1@individual.net>, fraser@jcis.com.au says...> Whereas your MR2 will depreciate, that MG won't.> All cars depreciate Steve. Especially once their parent company goes belly > up.> That is not entierly correct: all cars depreciate to a certain level, then they either disappear or prices go up, the fact their parent company goes belly up doesn't matter much. Try to get your hands on a decent Delorean or Aston Martin DB5. Pristine cars or seldom driven garage queens also drop in price: gone are the days when a Ferrari TR would fetch a handsome profit leaving it in your garage for some years but that doesn't mean a nearly new 1989 TR will be yours for peanuts. Well, for peanuts maybe if you deliver by truckload. I think you could be buying worser and faster depreciating cars than the MGf right now. The car will stay modern because engine-upgrades are available and relatively cheap. 6 years from now a driven to the ground MGf with >200.000 km on the clock will be worth nothing, but a MGf, properly maintained with 80.000 km will still be a nice car. I would recommend it for somebody who wants a funcar but hasn't got the money for an Elise or doesn't want its no-compromise nature. Speaking of the Elise: a violet 1999 Elise with A-style rollbar with a tube going from the topmiddel to the far corner of the passenger well (forget it to take your girlfriend out in it), special seats, bigger brakes has been proposed to me. The engine has some race-upgrades but only 12.000 genuine km. The owner wants more than his buying price (back in 1999) for it. Don't like the violet paint, if it were black I would seriously consider. Shows you that some cars don't depreciate at all. Tom De Moor
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Guest 18 April 2005 00:58:43 [ permanent link ]
	"Not only that but a car prone to dumping all the coolant on the floor then promptly warping the head. Even 10p would be too much." Strip the engine, and when you reassemble it, make sure that the liner stand-proud on the block is correct - most are not from the factory. Get this stand-proud right and the head-liner joints won't leak. Fit a thermostat housing that works on the coolant outlet not the coolant inlet. (engine was designed as a light front-driver, so they put thermostat on inlet to get it to warm up quick. Put it in heavier, mid-engnied, higher-output vehicle and this doesn't work so well; especially when worked hard when still cold as most owners do.) You won't have any coolant loss/overheating/self-destruction issues. Even today the K is ahead of its peers in the technology/performance stakes; only things that come close have two wheels.
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JackH 18 April 2005 05:33:27 [ permanent link ]
	<markocosic@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:1113771523.240976.306550@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...> "Not only that but a car prone to dumping all the coolant on the floor> then promptly warping the head. Even 10p would be too much."> Strip the engine, and when you reassemble it, make sure that the liner> stand-proud on the block is correct - most are not from the factory.> Get this stand-proud right and the head-liner joints won't leak.> Fit a thermostat housing that works on the coolant outlet not the> coolant inlet. (engine was designed as a light front-driver, so they> put thermostat on inlet to get it to warm up quick. Put it in heavier,> mid-engnied, higher-output vehicle and this doesn't work so well;> especially when worked hard when still cold as most owners do.)> You won't have any coolant loss/overheating/self-destruction issues.> Even today the K is ahead of its peers in the technology/performance> stakes; only things that come close have two wheels. Yeah, right... those Honda B series VTEC lumps (1) are a veritable pile of shite by comparison... P.S: Might be an idea if you'd 'get with the programme' as it were, and use some of these '>', when quoting previous posts. (1) Of which the 1.6 first appeared in 1989 -- JackH
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Fraser Johnston 18 April 2005 08:44:09 [ permanent link ]
	"Tom De Moor" <viperengine@removethis.gmail.com> wrote in message news:MPG.1ccc8fe4705493798b0fb@news.telenet.be...> In article <3cf77bF5vacm4U1@individual.net>, fraser@jcis.com.au says...>> Whereas your MR2 will depreciate, that MG won't.>> All cars depreciate Steve. Especially once their parent company goes >> belly>> up.>> That is not entierly correct: all cars depreciate to a certain level, then > they> either disappear or prices go up, the fact their parent company goes belly > up> doesn't matter much.> Try to get your hands on a decent Delorean or Aston Martin DB5.> Pristine cars or seldom driven garage queens also drop in price: gone are > the> days when a Ferrari TR would fetch a handsome profit leaving it in your > garage> for some years but that doesn't mean a nearly new 1989 TR will be yours > for> peanuts. Well, for peanuts maybe if you deliver by truckload.> I think you could be buying worser and faster depreciating cars than the > MGf> right now. The car will stay modern because engine-upgrades are available > and> relatively cheap.> 6 years from now a driven to the ground MGf with >200.000 km on the clock > will> be worth nothing, but a MGf, properly maintained with 80.000 km will still > be a> nice car. I would recommend it for somebody who wants a funcar but hasn't > got> the money for an Elise or doesn't want its no-compromise nature.> Speaking of the Elise: a violet 1999 Elise with A-style rollbar with a > tube> going from the topmiddel to the far corner of the passenger well (forget > it to> take your girlfriend out in it), special seats, bigger brakes has been > proposed> to me. The engine has some race-upgrades but only 12.000 genuine km.> The owner wants more than his buying price (back in 1999) for it. Don't > like> the violet paint, if it were black I would seriously consider. Shows you > that> some cars don't depreciate at all. I bet it has when you figure in the costs of the mods. Thats like me saying I bought an old banger jag and spent 20 grand restoring it and got back 10 grand more than I paid originally. There is a very few cars that will appreciate. Like the Enzo Ferrari. But they are very few. Fraser
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Tom De Moor 18 April 2005 20:57:50 [ permanent link ]
	In article <3cgs9cF6fpm6nU1@individual.net>, fraser@jcis.com.au says...> The owner wants more than his buying price (back in 1999) for it. Don't > > like> > the violet paint, if it were black I would seriously consider. Shows you > > that> > some cars don't depreciate at all.> I bet it has when you figure in the costs of the mods. Well: you're wrong. The main reason is that since 1997 Lotus realised that the Elise was a winner on their hand. So from then on each year the Elise became a lot more expensif. The Elise at Brussels Motor Show back in 1997 was advertised at 12.500 UKP... The Elise back in 1999 was sold for 1.000.000 BF (16.700UKP), the actual price for an (standard) Elise is now 51.250 Eur (34.200 UKP). So the price of a standard Elise doubled in about 5 years time. I don't know a lot of cars to which that has happened. The owner is of the meticulous kind: he has every bill from oil, tires to actual fuel... He added all bills which are not consumables and that was his selling price: 23.000 UKP. Don't call in: the car is sold. Thats like me saying > I bought an old banger jag and spent 20 grand restoring it and got back 10 > grand more than I paid originally. There is a very few cars that will > appreciate. Like the Enzo Ferrari. But they are very few.> Again I think otherwise: the Enzo can't do but go down in value. It has no racing heritage and it will be surpassed. F40 and F50, even the McLaren all fetch lower prices than when they were new. Maintenance on those cars is critical: the maintenance bill each 10000 km on a Diablo is 3500 UKP. For the McLaren you can return the car to Woking... I inspect those cars for clients: after optical inspection (the cars must be pristine)the next step is always the same: a sample of oil, brake fluid, water and if accessible gearbox oil is sent to a Shell labo. From there on we know if maintenance has been done and if the correct fluids are used. On an F40 wrong or aged oil in the engine can and will cut the price in half. Your remarque of a restored old banger is valid though: restored cars which make a profit for the man who paid the restorating bill are even rarer than cars which value goes up. Tom De Moor
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Vamp 20 April 2005 02:44:47 [ permanent link ]
	"Fraser Johnston" <fraser@jcis.com.au> wrote in message news:3cgs9cF6fpm6nU1@individual.net...> "Tom De Moor" <viperengine@removethis.gmail.com> wrote in message > news:MPG.1ccc8fe4705493798b0fb@news.telenet.be...>> In article <3cf77bF5vacm4U1@individual.net>, fraser@jcis.com.au says...>>> Whereas your MR2 will depreciate, that MG won't.>>> All cars depreciate Steve. Especially once their parent company goes >>> belly>>> up.>>> That is not entierly correct: all cars depreciate to a certain level, >> then they>> either disappear or prices go up, the fact their parent company goes >> belly up>> doesn't matter much.>> Try to get your hands on a decent Delorean or Aston Martin DB5.>> Pristine cars or seldom driven garage queens also drop in price: gone are >> the>> days when a Ferrari TR would fetch a handsome profit leaving it in your >> garage>> for some years but that doesn't mean a nearly new 1989 TR will be yours >> for>> peanuts. Well, for peanuts maybe if you deliver by truckload.>> I think you could be buying worser and faster depreciating cars than the >> MGf>> right now. The car will stay modern because engine-upgrades are available >> and>> relatively cheap.>> 6 years from now a driven to the ground MGf with >200.000 km on the clock >> will>> be worth nothing, but a MGf, properly maintained with 80.000 km will >> still be a>> nice car. I would recommend it for somebody who wants a funcar but hasn't >> got>> the money for an Elise or doesn't want its no-compromise nature.>> Speaking of the Elise: a violet 1999 Elise with A-style rollbar with a >> tube>> going from the topmiddel to the far corner of the passenger well (forget >> it to>> take your girlfriend out in it), special seats, bigger brakes has been >> proposed>> to me. The engine has some race-upgrades but only 12.000 genuine km.>> The owner wants more than his buying price (back in 1999) for it. Don't >> like>> the violet paint, if it were black I would seriously consider. Shows you >> that>> some cars don't depreciate at all.> I bet it has when you figure in the costs of the mods. Thats like me > saying I bought an old banger jag and spent 20 grand restoring it and got > back 10 grand more than I paid originally. There is a very few cars that > will appreciate. Like the Enzo Ferrari. But they are very few.> Fraser> my dad's MG midget did, well if he kept it cost him Ј400 nearly new at the time, probably add a zero to that today as it was a 60's chrome bumper nicer looking type if i remember right.
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Mason 22 April 2005 08:16:57 [ permanent link ]
	2 year old MG-TF, 13k miles, Ј6k> Even I have to be tempted for that kind of money - I reckon that it'll> still be worth that in 2 or 3 years time.> Out of interest Steve where did you find that particular one? My dad is looking into this as he has an MGF and would certainly go for a newer one at that king of price. TIA Mason
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Sleeker GT Phwoar 28 April 2005 00:57:28 [ permanent link ]
	In article <42672e00$0$549$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>, rmason@plusdotnet says...> if vamp pops > anything major at all then he's into serious money to fix it.> It isn't a repair it's an upgrade ;) You can buy a Jap low mileage engine bare for ВЈ600, or with Turbo and both manifolds for ВЈ900. -- Carl Robson "Sorry Sir the meatballs are orf" (The poster formerly known as Skodapilot) http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
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LordyUK 30 April 2005 02:11:27 [ permanent link ]
	Here they still car rear cuts front cut. > Wierd isn't it? Not half as weird as that first sentence was -- Lordy.UK
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respect your talk pals, avoid using obscene language, typing entire messages in CAPS, posting buy/sell ads or violating netiquette or the RF Criminal Code..

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