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427 vette is back

Bob Urz 17 April 2005 02:54:09
 I did not think i would see the day when a 427 vette would be back in
production. Well, GM proved me wrong. The new Zo6 is a 427ci.
In a small block no less. 500HP 475lb T. That ought to enough to
light up the pavement.

All i have to do now is afford one........

Bob


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Paul 17 April 2005 03:06:28 permanent link ]
 BOB URZ wrote:>
I did not think i would see the day when a 427 vette would be back in> production. Well, GM proved me wrong. The new Zo6 is a 427ci.> In a small block no less. 500HP 475lb T. That ought to enough to> light up the pavement.>
All i have to do now is afford one........>
Bob

Yup. I could not afford way back when and I still can't
afford one now. :(­
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Fweddybear 17 April 2005 03:40:12 permanent link ]
 
"BOB URZ" <"sound(remove)"@in­etnebr.com> wrote in message
news:42619791.414DB­FFD@inetnebr.com...>­I did not think i would see the day when a 427 vette would be back in> production. Well, GM proved me wrong. The new Zo6 is a 427ci.> In a small block no less. 500HP 475lb T. That ought to enough to> light up the pavement.>
All i have to do now is afford one........>
Bob

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.. wonders if you can buy just the engine and drop it in...

Fwed


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Steve 18 April 2005 20:20:44 permanent link ]
 BOB URZ wrote:
I did not think i would see the day when a 427 vette would be back in> production. Well, GM proved me wrong. The new Zo6 is a 427ci.> In a small block no less. 500HP 475lb T. That ought to enough to> light up the pavement.>
All i have to do now is afford one........>
Bob

A friend just took delivery of an LS-2 vette, and is planning on trading
it back for a ZO6. He's already on the waiting list.

One of the reasons he wants to trade up is that he blew the rear end out
of the LS-2 with less than 5000 miles and no modifications to the
powertrain. You just shouldn't be able to do that. The ZO6 has a beefier
rear end in addition to the bigger engine.

The thing I didn't like about his car when I saw it was the whole
"keyless car" idea. I don't really want to always have to carry a remote
all the time, and I don't really want to just push a button to start the
car. But hey, that's just me. Other than that, its quite an impressive
machine!



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Tony Kujawa 18 April 2005 23:32:16 permanent link ]
 
"BOB URZ" <"sound(remove)"@in­etnebr.com> wrote in message
news:42619791.414DB­FFD@inetnebr.com...>­ I did not think i would see the day when a 427 vette would be back in> production. Well, GM proved me wrong. The new Zo6 is a 427ci.> In a small block no less. 500HP 475lb T. That ought to enough to> light up the pavement.>
All i have to do now is afford one........>
Bob


I wish they would just go ahead and call it a 427 instead of 7 litre. 427
sounds so much cooler.


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Guest 19 April 2005 01:50:56 permanent link ]
 I think you can for about $20,000.

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James C. Reeves 19 April 2005 02:17:55 permanent link ]
 
"tony kujawa" <tjktjk2003@clappdi­co.com> wrote in message
news:42640b3f$0$794­62$14726298@news.sun­site.dk...>
"BOB URZ" <"sound(remove)"@in­etnebr.com> wrote in message> news:42619791.414DB­FFD@inetnebr.com...>­> I did not think i would see the day when a 427 vette would be back in>> production. Well, GM proved me wrong. The new Zo6 is a 427ci.>> In a small block no less. 500HP 475lb T. That ought to enough to>> light up the pavement.>>
All i have to do now is afford one........>>
I wish they would just go ahead and call it a 427 instead of 7 litre. 427> sounds so much cooler.>

I agree!


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James C. Reeves 19 April 2005 02:20:21 permanent link ]
 
"Steve" <no@spam.thanks> wrote in message
news:mbGdnd8rH-HFQ_­7fRVn-qA@texas.net..­.> BOB URZ wrote:>
I did not think i would see the day when a 427 vette would be back in>> production. Well, GM proved me wrong. The new Zo6 is a 427ci.>> In a small block no less. 500HP 475lb T. That ought to enough to>> light up the pavement.>>
All i have to do now is afford one........>>
A friend just took delivery of an LS-2 vette, and is planning on trading > it back for a ZO6. He's already on the waiting list.>
One of the reasons he wants to trade up is that he blew the rear end out > of the LS-2 with less than 5000 miles and no modifications to the > powertrain. You just shouldn't be able to do that. The ZO6 has a beefier > rear end in addition to the bigger engine.>
The thing I didn't like about his car when I saw it was the whole "keyless > car" idea. I don't really want to always have to carry a remote all the > time, and I don't really want to just push a button to start the car. But > hey, that's just me. Other than that, its quite an impressive machine!>

Keyless car...heh?! Another one of those GM gimmicky "systems", no doubt.
Perhaps one can be ordered with a normal key ignition. That would be my
preference a well.



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Al Haunts 19 April 2005 03:59:17 permanent link ]
 
"BOB URZ" <"sound(remove)"@in­etnebr.com> wrote in message>> news:42619791.414DB­FFD@inetnebr.com...>­>> I did not think i would see the day when a 427 vette would be back in>>> production. Well, GM proved me wrong. The new Zo6 is a 427ci.>>> In a small block no less. 500HP 475lb T. That ought to enough to>>> light up the pavement.>>>
I'm impressed that GM is able to push a small block to 427ci in a
production vehicle. What started as a 265ci design in the 1950's sure
has come a long way. Just hope it doesn't have the uneven cooling
problems like the 70's 400ci SB had. Anybody know if the cylinder
walls are 'siamesed' like the old 400??

Regards, Al.

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Shiden_kai 19 April 2005 04:34:35 permanent link ]
 Al Haunts wrote:
I'm impressed that GM is able to push a small block to 427ci in a> production vehicle. What started as a 265ci design in the 1950's sure> has come a long way. Just hope it doesn't have the uneven cooling> problems like the 70's 400ci SB had. Anybody know if the cylinder> walls are 'siamesed' like the old 400??

Al, no matter what you read about this engine, it has nothing in common
with the old small block chevy engine. You can "call" it a small block,
but seriously, it is nothing like the old chevy engine. I've got one apart
at work, I'll have to take some pictures of it, so folks can appreciate
what a difference there is in design. The only similarity is the fact that
it's a "pushrod" engine.

From what little bit I've read about it, they sleeved the engine in order
to get the large bore...as opposed to cast in liners. I'll be very
surprised
if there aren't "issues" with this engine. Thankfully, not that many will
be sold out of our dealership, so we shouldn't have to deal with more
the one or two of them.

Ian


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Zaphod Beeblebrox 19 April 2005 06:55:08 permanent link ]
 
Keyless car...heh?! Another one of those GM gimmicky "systems", no doubt. > Perhaps one can be ordered with a normal key ignition. That would be my > preference a well.

FWIW Lexus is moving to the same keyless system (fob in pocket, press
start button) on the GS350/430 and the upcoming IS350...
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Al Haunts 19 April 2005 13:29:58 permanent link ]
 
Al, no matter what you read about this engine, it has nothing in common>with the old small block chevy engine. You can "call" it a small block,>but seriously, it is nothing like the old chevy engine.

Thanks Ian, that makes sense. Guess I'm showing my age. Last time I
got 'intimate' with a SBC thay were still all cast iron, top & bottom
I'll be very surprised>if there aren't "issues" with this engine. Thankfully, not that many will>be sold out of our dealership, so we shouldn't have to deal with more>the one or two of them.

Yep, like anything, best to avoid the 'beta' version. I was
considering buying the upcoming new Impala but a new body AND a new
3.5/3.9 engine might just be asking for trouble. Gonna have to keep
the '99 Malibu a while longer (sigh).

Regards, AL
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Steve 19 April 2005 19:23:46 permanent link ]
 tony kujawa wrote:
I wish they would just go ahead and call it a 427 instead of 7 litre. 427> sounds so much cooler.>

"7-Liter" makes me think Ford 428 instead of Chevy. The high-performance
Galaxy 500s were tagged "7-Liter" for a while back in the 60s.

http://www.tommackc­lassics.com/newsite/­1966%20Ford%20Galaxi­e%207%20Liter/page_1­.htm
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Steve 19 April 2005 19:26:36 permanent link ]
 Al Haunts wrote:
"BOB URZ" <"sound(remove)"@in­etnebr.com> wrote in message>>>news:4261­9791.414DBFFD@inetne­br.com...>>>
I did not think i would see the day when a 427 vette would be back in>>>>production. Well, GM proved me wrong. The new Zo6 is a 427ci.>>>>In a small block no less. 500HP 475lb T. That ought to enough to>>>>light up the pavement.>>>>
I'm impressed that GM is able to push a small block to 427ci in a> production vehicle. What started as a 265ci design in the 1950's sure> has come a long way. Just hope it doesn't have the uneven cooling> problems like the 70's 400ci SB had. Anybody know if the cylinder> walls are 'siamesed' like the old 400??>


The current "Gen III" v8 has no relationship to the small-block Chevy
based on the 265. It quietly went out of production several years ago.
The new engines (including the LS-1, LS-2, and 427) are all-aluminum,
have reverse-flow cooling, iron sleeves, and few or no interchangeable
parts with the old SBC.

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Anumber1 19 April 2005 19:41:39 permanent link ]
 "Steve" <no@spam.thanks> wrote in message
news:Er6dndmcHfOwvv­jfRVn-vw@texas.net..­.> Al Haunts wrote:>
"BOB URZ" <"sound(remove)"@in­etnebr.com> wrote in message>>>>news:426­19791.414DBFFD@inetn­ebr.com...>>>>
I did not think i would see the day when a 427 vette would be back in>>>>>production. Well, GM proved me wrong. The new Zo6 is a 427ci.>>>>>In a small block no less. 500HP 475lb T. That ought to enough to>>>>>light up the pavement.>>>>>
I'm impressed that GM is able to push a small block to 427ci in a>> production vehicle. What started as a 265ci design in the 1950's sure>> has come a long way. Just hope it doesn't have the uneven cooling>> problems like the 70's 400ci SB had. Anybody know if the cylinder>> walls are 'siamesed' like the old 400??>>
The current "Gen III" v8 has no relationship to the small-block Chevy > based on the 265. It quietly went out of production several years ago. The > new engines (including the LS-1, LS-2, and 427) are all-aluminum, have > reverse-flow cooling, iron sleeves, and few or no interchangeable parts > with the old SBC.>
The original 427 didn't have any shared parts with the SBC either...
It was a Big Block Chevy.


--
Alan Gallacher
Born to Tinker!


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Steve 19 April 2005 21:54:20 permanent link ]
 Anumber1 wrote:
"Steve" <no@spam.thanks> wrote in message > news:Er6dndmcHfOwvv­jfRVn-vw@texas.net..­.>
Al Haunts wrote:>>
"BOB URZ" <"sound(remove)"@in­etnebr.com> wrote in message>>>>>news:42­619791.414DBFFD@inet­nebr.com...>>>>>
I did not think i would see the day when a 427 vette would be back in>>>>>>production.­ Well, GM proved me wrong. The new Zo6 is a 427ci.>>>>>>In a small block no less. 500HP 475lb T. That ought to enough to>>>>>>light up the pavement.>>>>>>
I'm impressed that GM is able to push a small block to 427ci in a>>>production vehicle. What started as a 265ci design in the 1950's sure>>>has come a long way. Just hope it doesn't have the uneven cooling>>>problems like the 70's 400ci SB had. Anybody know if the cylinder>>>walls are 'siamesed' like the old 400??>>>
The current "Gen III" v8 has no relationship to the small-block Chevy >>based on the 265. It quietly went out of production several years ago. The >>new engines (including the LS-1, LS-2, and 427) are all-aluminum, have >>reverse-flow cooling, iron sleeves, and few or no interchangeable parts >>with the old SBC.>>
The original 427 didn't have any shared parts with the SBC either...> It was a Big Block Chevy.>
The only response I can think of is "duh!" The question being addressed
was if the new 427 would have any of the problems that the larger
small-blocks (like the 400) had, not whether it would be a
pushrod-bender like the old Chevy big-blocks.

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James C. Reeves 20 April 2005 02:22:54 permanent link ]
 
"Zaphod Beeblebrox" <idontlikespam@nosp­amplease.com> wrote in message
news:idontlikespam-­36C923.2155071804200­5@news1.west.earthli­nk.net...>> Keyless car...heh?! Another one of those GM gimmicky "systems", no >> doubt.>> Perhaps one can be ordered with a normal key ignition. That would be my>> preference a well.>
FWIW Lexus is moving to the same keyless system (fob in pocket, press> start button) on the GS350/430 and the upcoming IS350...

I suppose that's fine. But I'm not going to buy it.


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Shiden_kai 20 April 2005 02:26:30 permanent link ]
 Al Haunts wrote:
Al, no matter what you read about this engine, it has nothing in>> common with the old small block chevy engine. You can "call" it a>> small block, but seriously, it is nothing like the old chevy engine.>
Thanks Ian, that makes sense. Guess I'm showing my age. Last time I> got 'intimate' with a SBC they were still all cast iron, top & bottom

Well, they still are....in some versions. The truck engines all have
cast iron blocks, except for one version of the 5.3 that appears
in the Trailblazers and the SSR (which is nothing more then a
two wheel drive Trailblazer). I've seen a few 6.0 litre engines
that also have cast iron heads....I assume that this is some sort
of heavy duty version. The 6.0 litre engines also seem to use
a superior head gasket when compared to the 4.8/5.3 truck
engines. But supposedly....they tend to be noisier (piston
slap) then the smaller engines.
Yep, like anything, best to avoid the 'beta' version. I was> considering buying the upcoming new Impala but a new body AND a new> 3.5/3.9 engine might just be asking for trouble. Gonna have to keep> the '99 Malibu a while longer (sigh).

I think that the 3.5 has "got" to be better then the engine
you have in the Malibu. The 3.9 looks like it has a number
of design changes even when comparing it to the 3.5.
Get something like a Buick Allure with the VVT 3.6 DOHC
engine. That's a Caddy engine, and I think it may just end
up being bullet-proof. Certainly no intake manifold gasket
problems to worry about.

Ian


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Al Haunts 20 April 2005 15:43:00 permanent link ]
 
The current "Gen III" v8 has no relationship to the small-block Chevy >based on the 265. It quietly went out of production several years ago. >The new engines (including the LS-1, LS-2, and 427) are all-aluminum, >have reverse-flow cooling, iron sleeves, and few or no interchangeable >parts with the old SBC.

Has the bore spacing changed since the '50s SBC?? IMHO, that is the
biggie when it comes to how far you can push displacement without
unwanted problems like the old 400 SBC had.

Regards, Al.

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Steve 20 April 2005 18:31:54 permanent link ]
 Al Haunts wrote:
The current "Gen III" v8 has no relationship to the small-block Chevy >>based on the 265. It quietly went out of production several years ago. >>The new engines (including the LS-1, LS-2, and 427) are all-aluminum, >>have reverse-flow cooling, iron sleeves, and few or no interchangeable >>parts with the old SBC.>
Has the bore spacing changed since the '50s SBC?? IMHO, that is the> biggie when it comes to how far you can push displacement without> unwanted problems like the old 400 SBC had.>

Even if the bore spacing hasn't changed, they could avoid the iron 400's
problems a number of ways. Getting to 427 with a smaller bore would be
one thing, plus using an aluminum block with liners could avoid the
cylinders actually being "siamesed" the way the 400's were.
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