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Firestone Tires - was: Problem with my Ford F350 transmission pulling heavy load.

C. E. White 17 March 2005 19:42:31
 

Steve wrote:>
Thank you Cliff.> I work at Firestone started just after the exploder incident. My first> impression of the explorer in about 96 was what a zippy rig for scooting> around the base, then when I took it out on a road I noticed how sensitive> the steering was, it took me a while to stop going from the white line to> the center line.> Anyway, some of the insight that I got from the Firestone side was:> Ford has lobbyist in congress, firestone doesn't> All of the roll-overs were said to have happened in hot states. Low tire> pressure, excessive heat gets generated in the tire.> After the settlement, ford redesigned the suspension on the explorers,> Even though there "is nothing wrong with them"

They didn't redesign the suspension until they completely
redesigned the whole vehicles for the 2001 Model year.
At the time Firestone was going through the legal stuff, Goodyear was> recalling a larger amount of tires than Firestone, and was happy that the> press was off of them!

But not the Goodyear tires installed on Explorers
The new Expeditions came our with load range "D" tires on them, even> though the rig needed a "E" range.

Expeditions never came with Firestone tires or LT tires. I
owned a 1997 and it came with Goodyears (they all did). My
2003 came with Continentals. For the 1997 Expedition tire
pressures were 30 front, 35 year. For the 2003 35 front and
rear. Never had a problem with the Goodyears except they
picked up every nail on the road. As far as I can determine,
no recent Expedition (i.e., the large SUV) was delivered
from Ford with LT tires (and therefore no Load Range D or E
tires). They were all delivered from Ford with P series
tires. Ford's pressure recommendations were only for P
series tires. If you switch to LT tires, you have to
increase the pressures to prevent heat buildup (LT tires
have heavier, thicker carcasses that build-up heat faster
than P series tires). If you switch to LT tires, a load
range ""D" tire should be more than sufficient. A properly
inflated LT255/70-16/D tire is rated to carry a maximum load
of 2680 lb.. This is far higher than necessary for an
Expedition - even a fully loaded one.
Ford also once again suggested a low tire> pressure. Firestone had another limited recall on them to put the correct> tires on them and remove the inflation suggestion tag. Now even though this> was Fords doing, firestone once again looked bad.

What recall - for Expeditions? I can find no such recall for
Expeditions. And Ford never installed LT tires on an
Expedition. Ford has never revised the recommended tire
pressures for an Expedition.
I won't say that Firestone didn't have defective tires, or even a> problem, but as many tires as I change a month, I see very fey of the> Firestone/ Bridgestone line with problems.

I really like the Bridgestone tires on my Vue. However, in
33 years of car ownership these are the first good tires I
have gotten that had any association with Firestone. I have
suffered through crappy Firestone / Bridgestone tires
repeatedly - 1975 Datsun 280Z - Originally came with
Bridgestones that wore out in less than 20k miles. I made
the mistake of installing Firestone Radial 500's, and paid
the price when the tread separated on one; 1978 Ford
Fairmont delivered with Firestone 721 Tires, they wore out
in less than 20k miles; 1981 Audi Coupe delivered with some
really crappy European Firestones, one had the sidewall blow
out, took weeks to get a replacement; 1983 Mazda 626, I
replaced the OE tires with Bridgestones that rode like they
were made of steel, and wore like they were made of butter;
1992 F150 with Firestones that were so bad, I removed them
after 10,000 miles (they are still in use as implement tires
on a set of row bedders); 1999 Ranger delivered with the
infamous Firestone tires - three of four split in the
center of the tread in less than a year - fortunately Ford
recalled them and we got some decent tires for free.

Despite the fact that I like the OE Bridgestones on my Vue,
it is very unlikely that I will buy Bridgestones when they
need replacement. 33 years of negative experiences make me
wary of any thing associated with Firestone. A friend said
it best when he was negotiating for a new Chevy. He told the
salesman, I'll buy the truck as long as you get those G%^
D#$% Firestone tires off it.

Ed
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Tcs 18 March 2005 00:42:25 permanent link ]
 On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:33:47 -0600, Tom Shaw <tshaw01@comcast.ne­t> wrote:>That is what I am talking about. As far as my experience goes the only good>Bridgestone tires I got were on the car when I bought it, i.e. installed in>Japan.

Back in '85 I had a nissen sentra with bridgestone tires. Those where the
first tires I ever had other than retreads that didn't last a year.


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Steve 18 March 2005 08:50:27 permanent link ]
 My apologies, I meant the Excursion.
Expedition, explorer, excursion.. I get confused....
Steve

"C. E. White" <cewhite3@nospam.co­m> wrote in message
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Steve wrote:>>
Thank you Cliff.>> I work at Firestone started just after the exploder incident. My first>> impression of the explorer in about 96 was what a zippy rig for scooting>> around the base, then when I took it out on a road I noticed how >> sensitive>> the steering was, it took me a while to stop going from the white line >> to>> the center line.>> Anyway, some of the insight that I got from the Firestone side was:>> Ford has lobbyist in congress, firestone doesn't>> All of the roll-overs were said to have happened in hot states. Low >> tire>> pressure, excessive heat gets generated in the tire.>> After the settlement, ford redesigned the suspension on the >> explorers,>> Even though there "is nothing wrong with them">
They didn't redesign the suspension until they completely> redesigned the whole vehicles for the 2001 Model year.>
At the time Firestone was going through the legal stuff, Goodyear was>> recalling a larger amount of tires than Firestone, and was happy that the>> press was off of them!>
But not the Goodyear tires installed on Explorers>
The new Expeditions came our with load range "D" tires on them, even>> though the rig needed a "E" range.>
Expeditions never came with Firestone tires or LT tires. I> owned a 1997 and it came with Goodyears (they all did). My> 2003 came with Continentals. For the 1997 Expedition tire> pressures were 30 front, 35 year. For the 2003 35 front and> rear. Never had a problem with the Goodyears except they> picked up every nail on the road. As far as I can determine,> no recent Expedition (i.e., the large SUV) was delivered> from Ford with LT tires (and therefore no Load Range D or E> tires). They were all delivered from Ford with P series> tires. Ford's pressure recommendations were only for P> series tires. If you switch to LT tires, you have to> increase the pressures to prevent heat buildup (LT tires> have heavier, thicker carcasses that build-up heat faster> than P series tires). If you switch to LT tires, a load> range ""D" tire should be more than sufficient. A properly> inflated LT255/70-16/D tire is rated to carry a maximum load> of 2680 lb.. This is far higher than necessary for an> Expedition - even a fully loaded one.>
Ford also once again suggested a low tire>> pressure. Firestone had another limited recall on them to put the correct>> tires on them and remove the inflation suggestion tag. Now even though >> this>> was Fords doing, firestone once again looked bad.>
What recall - for Expeditions? I can find no such recall for> Expeditions. And Ford never installed LT tires on an> Expedition. Ford has never revised the recommended tire> pressures for an Expedition.>
I won't say that Firestone didn't have defective tires, or even a>> problem, but as many tires as I change a month, I see very fey of the>> Firestone/ Bridgestone line with problems.>
I really like the Bridgestone tires on my Vue. However, in> 33 years of car ownership these are the first good tires I> have gotten that had any association with Firestone. I have> suffered through crappy Firestone / Bridgestone tires> repeatedly - 1975 Datsun 280Z - Originally came with> Bridgestones that wore out in less than 20k miles. I made> the mistake of installing Firestone Radial 500's, and paid> the price when the tread separated on one; 1978 Ford> Fairmont delivered with Firestone 721 Tires, they wore out> in less than 20k miles; 1981 Audi Coupe delivered with some> really crappy European Firestones, one had the sidewall blow> out, took weeks to get a replacement; 1983 Mazda 626, I> replaced the OE tires with Bridgestones that rode like they> were made of steel, and wore like they were made of butter;> 1992 F150 with Firestones that were so bad, I removed them> after 10,000 miles (they are still in use as implement tires> on a set of row bedders); 1999 Ranger delivered with the> infamous Firestone tires - three of four split in the> center of the tread in less than a year - fortunately Ford> recalled them and we got some decent tires for free.>
Despite the fact that I like the OE Bridgestones on my Vue,> it is very unlikely that I will buy Bridgestones when they> need replacement. 33 years of negative experiences make me> wary of any thing associated with Firestone. A friend said> it best when he was negotiating for a new Chevy. He told the> salesman, I'll buy the truck as long as you get those G%^> D#$% Firestone tires off it.>
Ed


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Guest 29 March 2006 00:16:56 permanent link ]
 BF Goodrich tires; I had BFG All Terrain 37 X 17 X 12:50 mounted on Weld Wheel 12' wide rims on my 99 F350, ran them for three years no issues at all. They were quite, wore great and did not make any noise. Then I bought a set of BFG Mud Terrain 37 X 17 X 12:50, used the same wheels on the same truck. Three months and 7,000 miles later, I started blowing tires. Every time I was running down the highway about 60-70, all three times required bedsides to be replaced. As I bought a new tire I put the used ones on the back, the last thing I wanted was to blow one on the front. I sent the tires to BFG, they said I was running a rim to wide for the tires causing the tire to rotate on the rim as I was driving. BEWARE!!!
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Guest 11 November 2006 06:24:12 permanent link ]
 this is funny everyone is giving bridgestone a bad name when in fact with the recall tires. they did tests on other tires on the explorer and guess what the tires failed also!! then ford redid the explorer, I owned a 91 explorer and had the recall tires on it but I ran tire pressure which the tire was suppose to run with. not what ford wanted the reason they wanted the tires that low was to make the ride better, My thinking is if ford is willing to lower tire pressure to make the ride better what else are they willing to do
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