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How reliable Wal-mart battery compare to Sears auto?.
Guest 19 March 2005 17:46:17
	Wal-mart auto centre, charge $40, 2-year warranty Sears, charge $60-70, 5-year warranty, but no time, got replaced from wal-mart, how good is this?. Does anybody have any idea?.
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Mike Romain 12 March 2005 07:27:42 [ permanent link ]
	Ya get what ya pay for normally.... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's santa19992000@yahoo.com wrote:> Wal-mart auto centre, charge $40, 2-year warranty> Sears, charge $60-70, 5-year warranty, but no time, got replaced from> wal-mart, how good is this?. Does anybody have any idea?.
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Paul 12 March 2005 10:27:50 [ permanent link ]
	santa19992000@yahoo.com wrote:> Wal-mart auto centre, charge $40, 2-year warranty> Sears, charge $60-70, 5-year warranty, but no time, got replaced from> wal-mart, how good is this?. Does anybody have any idea?. The Wal-Mart battery will go bad in 1 year. I always get the 5 year Wal-Mart batteries. They go bad in 2-3 years. Sears I don't know about.
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Edward Strauss 12 March 2005 10:28:16 [ permanent link ]
	santa19992000@yahoo.com wrote:> Wal-mart auto centre, charge $40, 2-year warranty> Sears, charge $60-70, 5-year warranty, but no time, got replaced from> wal-mart, how good is this?. Does anybody have any idea?. Nothing wrong with the $39.95 one. Not a whole lot of differences in these chain store batteries. Most of them made by the same suppliers. If you have a 24 hour Wal-mart close to you look at it this way. You will be able to get any warranty issue taken care of any time of day or night...
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Lawrence Glickman 12 March 2005 11:02:23 [ permanent link ]
	On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 06:28:16 +0000 (UTC), Edward Strauss <es8m@Virginia.EDU> wrote: santa19992000@yahoo.com wrote:>> Wal-mart auto centre, charge $40, 2-year warranty>> Sears, charge $60-70, 5-year warranty, but no time, got replaced from>> wal-mart, how good is this?. Does anybody have any idea?.> Nothing wrong with the $39.95 one. Not a whole lot of differences in>these chain store batteries. Most of them made by the same suppliers.>If you have a 24 hour Wal-mart close to you look at it this way. You>will be able to get any warranty issue taken care of any time of day >or night... I don't know who makes batteries for K-Mart, but that's where I buy my replacements, and IMO they're every bit as good as OEM, although they are =not= inexpensive. My next car battery is going to come from K-Mart, whenever the time comes. Lg
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Backbone 12 March 2005 13:01:14 [ permanent link ]
	there is only several lead acid battery manufacturers. here's a Brand list and the dealers that use them http://www.uuhome.de/william.darden/batbrand.htm -- Remove flaps to reply <santa19992000@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1110597682.440851.28900@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...> Wal-mart auto centre, charge $40, 2-year warranty> Sears, charge $60-70, 5-year warranty, but no time, got replaced from> wal-mart, how good is this?. Does anybody have any idea?.>
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JP White 12 March 2005 20:29:37 [ permanent link ]
	santa19992000@yahoo.com wrote:> Wal-mart auto centre, charge $40, 2-year warranty> Sears, charge $60-70, 5-year warranty, but no time, got replaced from> wal-mart, how good is this?. Does anybody have any idea?.> I once bought a second-hand Ford Probe that came with a WalMart battery. 3 years later we sold it without it ever giving any trouble, who knows how old it was. On the other hand I've seen 5 year 'gold' batteries fail relatively quickly in another vehicle (the subsequent replacement battery ran great for many years - so the car wasn't the issue). IMHO all you are paying for is the warranty. The quality of most batteries is not too great and I see it as a gamble as to if the battery is capable of giving long service or not. Most warranties are pro rated after the first year anyhow. Rather than bother with 'gold' or big warranties, I look at cranking amps, and prefer to spend the money there instead. JP -- JP White mailto:jpwhite3@bellsouth.net
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B. Peg 12 March 2005 21:08:32 [ permanent link ]
	"JP White" wrote:> IMHO all you are paying for is the warranty. The quality of most batteries > is not too great and I see it as a gamble as to if the battery is capable > of giving long service or not. Most warranties are pro rated after the > first year anyhow.> Rather than bother with 'gold' or big warranties, I look at cranking amps, > and prefer to spend the money there instead. Good point. Around here in central valley of CA, my car's batteries only last 2 years and it doesn't seem to hinge on the warranty label. I replaced three Wal-Mart batteries (Super Cranks) in one year on a motorcycle. They were pro-rated at 90 days so it almost felt like I was buying a new one ever time it went south. The Sear's Die-Hard made it 1 1/2 - 2 years before they gave up from heat. I've had far better longevity out of Optima dry-cell batteries (4-5 years) although they cost around twice as much. B~
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Dociscool 13 March 2005 09:02:24 [ permanent link ]
	Same luck here with Diehard motorcycle batteries. Wal-Mart batteries wouldn't last through the winter motorcycle storage season. Now I'm on my third year with the same Diehard motorcycle battery still in excellent shape... and the Diehard brand in this battery size is only about $10 more than Wal-Mart. "B. Peg" <bent_peg@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:kmFYd.128727$Th1.90199@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... Good point. Around here in central valley of CA, my car's batteries only > last 2 years and it doesn't seem to hinge on the warranty label. I > replaced three Wal-Mart batteries (Super Cranks) in one year on a > motorcycle. They were pro-rated at 90 days so it almost felt like I was > buying a new one ever time it went south. The Sear's Die-Hard made it 1 > 1/2 - 2 years before they gave up from heat.
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Hls 13 March 2005 17:49:03 [ permanent link ]
	<santa19992000@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1110597682.440851.28900@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...> Wal-mart auto centre, charge $40, 2-year warranty> Sears, charge $60-70, 5-year warranty, but no time, got replaced from> wal-mart, how good is this?. Does anybody have any idea?. What does the guarantee really cover? Will Sears replace the battery at no charge for the entire 5 years period, .....or, do you have to pay a fee which increases greatly as the warranty period progresses? The subject of battery quality has been discussed a number of times on this group, and the general opinion is that battery quality, across the board, is not as high as it once was. There may be some exceptions, but as usual mostly anecdotal accounts rather than hard data.
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Larry Moe 'N Curly 13 March 2005 19:34:24 [ permanent link ]
	The $40 Wal-mart battery I have is warranted for 72 or 84 months, with 100% coverage during the first 24 months. Sears Diehard batteries are warranted about the same, but the 100% coverage period sometimes lasts as long as 36 months. The same company makes Wal-mart and Sears batteries, Johnson Controls, but quality varies, and the last time Consumer Reports tested car batteries, one of Wal-mart's premium yellow batteries rated about average, but Sears Diehards usually rank high.
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B. Peg 13 March 2005 21:28:10 [ permanent link ]
	"larry moe 'n curly" wrote:> The same company makes Wal-mart and Sears batteries, Johnson Controls,> but quality varies, and the last time Consumer Reports tested car> batteries, one of Wal-mart's premium yellow batteries rated about> average, but Sears Diehards usually rank high. I've often wondered why CR always favors Sears although the same manufacturer that makes their brand makes their own. Sear's Kenmore washers always used to beat out Whirlpool although they were the same model, just different brand logo. I wonder if Sears has some input (financially or otherwise) into CR? I know it ain't supposed to be, but.... I can't buy the "Built to our design" sales pitch -- like Sear's has a bunch of appliance engineers in the background doing a better job than the manufacturer. Dunno, but I've gone through quite a few Die-Hards before their warranty expired. All were pro-rated and seemed like I was buying a new battery at the way the pro-rate was calculated. More like a scheme just to get you back in there. Latest was some Pep Boys story. Salesman actually steered me from their expensive brand as they has too many come back in that particular series number. The one he did sell me wasn't the most expensive but it has held up well, even though my car did get "tow-truck time" last Friday afternoon to get a new starter put in (battery made it through the ordeal). Thank you AAA! B~
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Steve W. 13 March 2005 22:17:09 [ permanent link ]
	CR is very good at hiding their bias. A few years ago they did a big article on vacuum cleaners. They took about thirty and tested them out. Then did their ratings. There were three models they tested that were made by the same company and were functionally identical except for the brand and color of the plastic and the shape of the outer plastic (interior parts were the same just a different outer shell that covered it all) CR rated them all different and said that they worked different as well. They have also done this with many other items. I wouldn't trust CR on anything. As to the Built to our design, it does have some merit in certain items BUT in the case of Kenmore/Whirlpool it wouldn't . The only difference is the logo, they are built on the same line in the same plant. Kind of like the folks who brag about how much better built their GMC P/U is over the same Chevy model. Other than cosmetics they are the same vehicle. -- Steve W. "B. Peg" <bent_peg@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:KK_Yd.132069$Th1.51260@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...> > "larry moe 'n curly" wrote:> > The same company makes Wal-mart and Sears batteries, Johnson Controls,> > but quality varies, and the last time Consumer Reports tested car> > batteries, one of Wal-mart's premium yellow batteries rated about> > average, but Sears Diehards usually rank high.> I've often wondered why CR always favors Sears although the same> manufacturer that makes their brand makes their own. Sear's Kenmore washers> always used to beat out Whirlpool although they were the same model, just> different brand logo. I wonder if Sears has some input (financially otherwise) into CR? I know it ain't supposed to be, but.... I can't the "Built to our design" sales pitch -- like Sear's has a bunch of> appliance engineers in the background doing a better job than the> manufacturer.> Dunno, but I've gone through quite a few Die-Hards before their warranty> expired. All were pro-rated and seemed like I was buying a new battery at> the way the pro-rate was calculated. More like a scheme just to get back in there.> Latest was some Pep Boys story. Salesman actually steered me from their> expensive brand as they has too many come back in that particular series> number. The one he did sell me wasn't the most expensive but it has held up> well, even though my car did get "tow-truck time" last Friday afternoon to> get a new starter put in (battery made it through the ordeal). Thank AAA!> B~> ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----
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I love Edsels 13 March 2005 23:42:18 [ permanent link ]
	On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:49:03 -0600, "HLS" <nospam@nospam.nix> wrote: <santa19992000@yahoo.com> wrote in message>news:1110597682.440851.28900@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...>> Wal-mart auto centre, charge $40, 2-year warranty>> Sears, charge $60-70, 5-year warranty, but no time, got replaced from>> wal-mart, how good is this?. Does anybody have any idea?.> What does the guarantee really cover? Will Sears replace the battery at no>charge for the entire 5 years period, .....or, do you have to pay a fee>which increases greatly as the warranty period progresses?> The subject of battery quality has been discussed a number of times on this>group, and the general opinion is that battery quality, across the board, is>not>as high as it once was. There may be some exceptions, but as usual mostly>anecdotal accounts rather than hard data.> wal mart are bastards to their employees, and they sell so much 'made in China' stuff that the US is in fact paying for China's growth and modernization. oh, that and they are bastards. if anyone cares.
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Ted Mittelstaedt 14 March 2005 15:47:15 [ permanent link ]
	"larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencurly@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:1110744364.179044.53540@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...> Sears would tell me that my dead battery wasn't really dead and wasn't> covered by the warranty, even though it was about four years old and> one cell measured much lower specific gravity than the others, but they> didn't care and said that they had to go by their automatic tester. That happened to me once. The diehard developed an internal short that would drain the battery overnight, even if you took one of the battery cables off the battery. But it would pass a load test. Sears refused to honor the warranty on the battery claiming it was good, and blamed the vehicle electrical system even after I explained that the battery would go flat overnight, and their own tester didn't show that the electrical system was overcharging the battery or drawing too much current. I have never bought a DieHard from them again and never will. Ted
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Hls 14 March 2005 17:45:59 [ permanent link ]
	"Steve W." <Dugdug56@what.com> wrote in message news:42348442$1_2@127.0.0.1...> CR is very good at hiding their bias. A few years ago they did a big> article on vacuum cleaners. They took about thirty and tested them out.> Then did their ratings. There were three models they tested that were> made by the same company and were functionally identical except for the> brand and color of the plastic and the shape of the outer plastic> (interior parts were the same just a different outer shell that covered> it all) CR rated them all different and said that they worked different> as well.> They have also done this with many other items. I wouldn't trust CR on> anything.> As to the Built to our design, it does have some merit in certain items> BUT in the case of Kenmore/Whirlpool it wouldn't . The only difference> is the logo, they are built on the same line in the same plant.> Kind of like the folks who brag about how much better built their GMC> P/U is over the same Chevy model. Other than cosmetics they are the same> vehicle.> --> Steve W. A long time ago I worked in TV repair. We knew which TV sets were crappo with respect to quality, durability, repairs. (And believe you me, there were some of these sets that we didn't want to see coming. Fix one thing and another would go bad. We couldn't win) CR regularly rated some of this trash very highly. And in later years, I have seen them repeat this 'cheerleading'. I can't bring myself to trust anything they print.
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Backbone 14 March 2005 18:51:43 [ permanent link ]
	I had a similar problem one time in that the battery would discharge over night. I even unhooked from the car. Same problem! Turned out to be an invisible electrolyte film formed on the outside of the battery. Caused a connection between the two posts. I washed the battery off with water and baking soda and the problem disappeared! After that I glued several pennies between the posts to absorb the electrolyte activity that is apparently taking place invisibly! They seem to be working at which they're greenish in color. Corrosion is already taking place -- Remove flaps to reply "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote in message news:newscache$qbbcdi$mr31$1@news.ipinc.net...> "larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencurly@my-deja.com> wrote in message> news:1110744364.179044.53540@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...> > Sears would tell me that my dead battery wasn't really dead and wasn't> > covered by the warranty, even though it was about four years old and> > one cell measured much lower specific gravity than the others, but they> > didn't care and said that they had to go by their automatic tester.> That happened to me once. The diehard developed an internal short that> would drain the battery overnight, even if you took one of the battery> cables> off the battery. But it would pass a load test. Sears refused to honor the> warranty on the battery claiming it was good, and blamed the vehicle> electrical> system even after I explained that the battery would go flat overnight, and> their own tester didn't show that the electrical system was overcharging the> battery or drawing too much current. I have never bought a DieHard from> them again and never will.>
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Rich 15 March 2005 01:05:48 [ permanent link ]
	Every three years or so Sears puts its battery contract out to the highest bidder. Just because it says "Dieshard" on the side one year, doesnt mean that the next year that "Diehard" is made the same way or by the same company. As far as I know, most every major brand does this. Johnson Controls and GNB (and have both made Diehards at one time or another) are two of the larger battery makers. Sure, Sears backs up their product and has it made to their specifications, but the battery itself, if you took all the stickers off of it, might be the exact same battery at Walmart. So, what do you do? Shop at the store that you choose. Make sure you are getting the same battery specs from each store. (ie both batteries are 750 CCA) and then compare the warranty. Most every car battery will, and should, last 3 to 5 years. If you have a 5 year old battery in your car now, dont be surprised if it fails soon.
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John W. Bienko 15 March 2005 01:53:45 [ permanent link ]
	I have the original battery in my 1994 Corolla.. never failed me once.. started in the coldest temperatures.. as low as -30 C. Many times the car was not started for 7 to 10 days.. and it started on the first try. That is quality of the highest order. -- Longing to be closer to to the sun, the wind and the sea! Spiritually at: Latitude 21 degrees 19' 9" North. _!_ Longtitude 157 degrees 56' 31" West. Aloha! ___o_(_)_o___ q
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Greenterror 15 March 2005 18:32:43 [ permanent link ]
	I've used Die Hards (Sears Battery) and Craftsman tools for years and have always thought they were worth the little extra you pay b/c of their quality and warranties. The battery that Walmart sells isn't a bad battery if you buy one with the same or better specifications as your original. The two numbers you will most likely see are the cranking amps and the cold cranking amps, the latter being the important number when its cold out. The higher the CCAs the better your battery will start when its cold. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that if it was me the extra $10-$20 bucks for the Sears battery is worth the assurance you will get from it for the next 3-5 yrs. Just my opinion, I would be interested to see what others think...You also might want to check out optima batteries, they sell them at Sears and are a little pricey, but if you look around on the internet you can get one with free shipping and a reasonable price.
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Tcs 15 March 2005 19:55:27 [ permanent link ]
	On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:32:43 -0500, greenterror <greenterror@private_email.com> wrote:>I've used Die Hards (Sears Battery) and Craftsman tools for years and have>always thought they were worth the little extra you pay b/c of their>quality and warranties. The battery that Walmart sells isn't a bad>battery if you buy one with the same or better specifications as your Are there specifications relating to the quality of the platics used, the methods of manufactoring the plates and the type and quality of the connections and joints from the posts to the plates? A battery with a spec of 500CCA means about as much as a $7 PC power supply rated at 500w that will blow if it ever handled 200W continuously. There's more to a rating than the peak currently handling of the weakest component. What good is 500CCA if the battery will crack if it ever carries 50A for more than 5 minutes. I'd expect every single one of walmart's batteries to be made in china and be of substandard materials. I would not be surprised if case cracking and broken internal connections were extremely common. Fine for a project car that never leaves the city; not so great for a car that might strand you somewhere in the middle of nowhere with hostile weather conditions.
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Rich 15 March 2005 21:51:14 [ permanent link ]
	Every store is trying to make a profit, and compete with other stores. Sure, many co. will go for the lowest bid on a product but quality is also an important factor. Why would Walmart, or any other retailer, consistantly sell crap? It doesnt make good $$$ sense. They may skimp here and there, but the product must at least live up to its waranty. Otherwise, two things will happen, the store will loose their shirt on every returned product, and they will loose customers.
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Rich 15 March 2005 21:52:19 [ permanent link ]
	Sears also renegotiates their tool contracts on a regular basis as well.
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Tcs 15 March 2005 23:33:33 [ permanent link ]
	On 15 Mar 2005 09:51:14 -0800, rich <rich_germain@yahoo.com> wrote:>Every store is trying to make a profit, and compete with other stores.>Sure, many co. will go for the lowest bid on a product but quality is>also an important factor. Why would Walmart, or any other retailer,>consistantly sell crap? It doesnt make good $$$ sense. Sure it does. Choice 1: $90 battery Choice 2: $45 battery. People who look no further are likely to take the cheaper choice even though the battery probably won't last a whole year. They may skimp here and there, but the product must at least live up to>its waranty. Otherwise, two things will happen, the store will loose Waranty: that's a good one. It would mean something if they weren't pro-rated. $5 towards another crap battery isn't worth the effort. their shirt on every returned product, and they will loose customers. They don't need repeat customers if there are enough new ones.
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Larry Moe 'N Curly 17 March 2005 21:49:42 [ permanent link ]
	HLS wrote:> "Steve W." <Dugdug56@what.com> wrote in message> news:42348442$1_2@127.0.0.1... A long time ago I worked in TV repair. We knew which TV sets were crappo> with respect to quality, durability, repairs. (And believe you me, there> were some of these sets that we didn't want to see coming. Fix one thing> and another would go bad. We couldn't win)> CR regularly rated some of this trash very highly.> And in later years, I have seen them repeat this 'cheerleading'.> I can't bring myself to trust anything they print. CR's quality ratings are separate from their reliability surveys, and I believe they used to rate some RCA TVs highly even though they weren't reliable. They've done the same with cars, but they won't recommend a car with a high quality rating unless it was also average or better in reliability.
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Rich 17 March 2005 21:59:39 [ permanent link ]
	"They don't need repeat customers if there are enough new ones. " Any business counting on ONLY new customers is a business that wont be around for very long. Walmart has been in business long enough to prove that they work to keep their customers coming back. business 101
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Clifto 18 March 2005 04:20:27 [ permanent link ]
	HLS wrote:> A long time ago I worked in TV repair. We knew which TV sets were crappo> with respect to quality, durability, repairs. (And believe you me, there> were some of these sets that we didn't want to see coming. Fix one thing> and another would go bad. We couldn't win)> CR regularly rated some of this trash very highly. I've mentioned this same experience in various newsgroups over the years. All the really good sets were ranked really low, all the crappy sets were rated tops. And by "crappy" I mean both in picture quality and in frequency and expense of repair. They did this consistently enough over enough years that I will avoid anything CR rates in its top five unless I have other good assurances it's not garbage.
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JP White 19 March 2005 17:46:17 [ permanent link ]
	TCS wrote:> I'd expect every single one of walmart's batteries to be made in china and be> of substandard materials. I would not be surprised if case cracking and > broken internal connections were extremely common. My personal experience recounted elsewhere in this thread says the opposite. Wal-Mart batteries are not ALL junk, some do last unexpectedly long as was my experience. JP -- JP White mailto:jpwhite3@bellsouth.net
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