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99 Sunfire lights problem

Bdeditch 10 March 2005 17:28:59
 A couple of weeks ago my low beams would not work. The DRL and high
beams and clearance lights all worked but no low beams. I took it to
Pep Boys and they found out that the column switch was shot. A couple
of days later, I have only high beams. No DRL, no clearance lights or
Low beams. The clearance lights do not come on until the high beams are
on. Does the column switch have to be replaced again?? Please reply to
my email with any suggestions.

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Mike Romain 10 March 2005 18:22:19 permanent link ]
 Sure sounds like they put a bad one in or left the plug loose.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

bdeditch wrote:>
A couple of weeks ago my low beams would not work. The DRL and high> beams and clearance lights all worked but no low beams. I took it to> Pep Boys and they found out that the column switch was shot. A couple> of days later, I have only high beams. No DRL, no clearance lights or> Low beams. The clearance lights do not come on until the high beams are> on. Does the column switch have to be replaced again?? Please reply to> my email with any suggestions.
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Mike Romain 10 March 2005 18:23:09 permanent link ]
 Backbone wrote:>
"bdeditch" <bdeditch@gmail.com­> wrote in message> news:1110461339.211­557.66680@z14g2000cw­z.googlegroups.com..­.> > A couple of weeks ago my low beams would not work. The DRL and high>
Question. what is a DRL?

Daytime Running Light. Here in Canada they put the high beams on half
power and call them DRL's.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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Backbone 10 March 2005 18:31:35 permanent link ]
 "bdeditch" <bdeditch@gmail.com­> wrote in message
news:1110461339.211­557.66680@z14g2000cw­z.googlegroups.com..­.> A couple of weeks ago my low beams would not work. The DRL and high

Question. what is a DRL?


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Daniel J. Stern 10 March 2005 21:50:44 permanent link ]
 On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, Backbone wrote:
A couple of weeks ago my low beams would not work. The DRL and high>
Question. what is a DRL?

Daytime Running Lights.
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Steve 10 March 2005 22:29:06 permanent link ]
 
Question. what is a DRL?

A method for annoying oncoming drivers.
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Hls 10 March 2005 22:34:47 permanent link ]
 
"Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@127.0.0.1>­ wrote in message
news:P­ine.GSO.4.58.­0503101250350.6698@a­lumni.engin.umich.ed­u...> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, Backbone wrote:>
A couple of weeks ago my low beams would not work. The DRL and high> >
Question. what is a DRL?>
Daytime Running Lights.

You and I ran afoul of each other on a previous post regarding DRL's, and I
suspect that the semantics may have been part of the issue.

The automatic lighting systems I am used to activate low beam headlights,
sidelights, and tail lights, day or night. I refer to these as DRL's.

Does DRL mean something different to you, Daniel?


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Mike Romain 10 March 2005 23:04:42 permanent link ]
 HLS wrote:>
"Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@127.0.0.1>­ wrote in message> news:P­ine.GSO.4.58.­0503101250350.6698@a­lumni.engin.umich.ed­u...> > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, Backbone wrote:> >
A couple of weeks ago my low beams would not work. The DRL and high> > >
Question. what is a DRL?> >
Daytime Running Lights.>
You and I ran afoul of each other on a previous post regarding DRL's, and I> suspect that the semantics may have been part of the issue.>
The automatic lighting systems I am used to activate low beam headlights,> sidelights, and tail lights, day or night. I refer to these as DRL's.>
Does DRL mean something different to you, Daniel?


I don't know about him, but here in Canada where DRL's are mandatory on
all new vehicles, it only means the high beams on half power once the
vehicle is moving. That's it, no running, tail or dash lights are
involved and some/most don't turn on until you actually move.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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Mike Romain 10 March 2005 23:06:44 permanent link ]
 The more it comes up, the more failures I remember of those DRL
modules. The fail often from what I have seen and all your failures
have it in common.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

bdeditch wrote:>
A couple of weeks ago my low beams would not work. The DRL and high> beams and clearance lights all worked but no low beams. I took it to> Pep Boys and they found out that the column switch was shot. A couple> of days later, I have only high beams. No DRL, no clearance lights or> Low beams. The clearance lights do not come on until the high beams are> on. Does the column switch have to be replaced again?? Please reply to> my email with any suggestions.
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Daniel J. Stern 11 March 2005 01:11:28 permanent link ]
 On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, HLS wrote:
Question. what is a DRL?
Daytime Running Lights.>
The automatic lighting systems I am used to activate low beam> headlights, sidelights, and tail lights, day or night. I refer to these> as DRL's. Does DRL mean something different to you, Daniel?

The answer is a little more complex than "yes" or "no".

"Daytime Running Light" means a pair of lamps on the front of the vehicle
that illuminate while the vehicle is in motion and the headlamp switch is
"off". In North America, DRLs can be any of the following:

*Reduced-intensity low beam headlamps alone

*Full-intensity low beam headlamps with parkers/markers/tai­ls

*Full-intensity low beam headlamps alone IF the vehicle is equipped with
an Auto Headlamp Switching system that detects ambient light levels and
turns on the parkers/markers/tai­ls when it gets dark out

*Reduced-intensity high beam headlamps alone

*Full-time steady burning of the front turn signals alone

*Front fog lamps alone (Canada only)

*Dedicated white or amber DRL lamps alone (e.g. Chev/GMC trucks and vans)

So, no, in general, an auto headlamp system is NOT the same as a DRL
system.

Note that in Canada, DRLs are required to burn until the *headlamps* are
turned on, so DRLs continue to operate when the parking lamps (only) are
switched on. In the US, on the other hand, DRLs are required to extinguish
when the parking lamps are turned on. However, this provision of the law
has not been enforced and so there are millions of noncompliant vehicles
on US roads (they comply with the Canadian "DRLs must stay on with parking
lamps" law).
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Steve 11 March 2005 04:18:48 permanent link ]
 HLS wrote:> "Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@127.0.0.1>­ wrote in message> news:P­ine.GSO.4.58.­0503101250350.6698@a­lumni.engin.umich.ed­u...>
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, Backbone wrote:>>
A couple of weeks ago my low beams would not work. The DRL and high>>>
Question. what is a DRL?>>
Daytime Running Lights.>
You and I ran afoul of each other on a previous post regarding DRL's, and I> suspect that the semantics may have been part of the issue.>
The automatic lighting systems I am used to activate low beam headlights,> sidelights, and tail lights, day or night. I refer to these as DRL's.>
Does DRL mean something different to you, Daniel?

DRL has a completely different and standardized definition. It refers to
white lights, mounted on the front of the car, that operate whenever the
headlights and other lights are OFF. When the headlights and marker
lights come on, the DRLs go OFF.
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Daniel J. Stern 11 March 2005 06:11:47 permanent link ]
 On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, Steve wrote:
The automatic lighting systems I am used to activate low beam> > headlights, sidelights, and tail lights, day or night. I refer to> > these as DRL's. Does DRL mean something different to you, Daniel?
DRL has a completely different and standardized definition. It refers to> white lights, mounted on the front of the car, that operate whenever the> headlights and other lights are OFF. When the headlights and marker> lights come on, the DRLs go OFF.

Your definition is accurate outside North America, but not within North
America. In North America, DRLs are allowed to be white, selective yellow,
amber or any color in between. They're required to stay on with the
parker/marking lights by Canadian law. They're required to turn off with
the parker/marking lights by US law, but this provision is not enforced.


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Comboverfish 11 March 2005 07:43:02 permanent link ]
 Daniel J Stern wrote:>*Full-time steady burning of the front turn signals alone

I'm sure you are correct, but my first thought was "you're kidding!"

Is there an example of a car in production that does this? One amp
non-focused yellow lights in bright sunlight seems useless to me.
Please tell me what I'm missing!

Toyota MDT in MO

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Hls 11 March 2005 17:25:03 permanent link ]
 
"Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@127.0.0.1>­ wrote in message
news:P­ine.GSO.4.58.­0503101603570.6698@a­lumni.engin.umich.ed­u...
Note that in Canada, DRLs are required to burn until the *headlamps* are> turned on, so DRLs continue to operate when the parking lamps (only) are> switched on. In the US, on the other hand, DRLs are required to extinguish> when the parking lamps are turned on. However, this provision of the law> has not been enforced and so there are millions of noncompliant vehicles> on US roads (they comply with the Canadian "DRLs must stay on with parking> lamps" law).

This answers a lot. Typical of the USA to have a number of competing
systems
and not enforce much of anything.

I am a firm believer that proper lighting prevents accidents. Many
Americans
don't light properly, drive far too fast in bad conditions, and believe that
any law which is not enforced (and many that ARE) do not apply to them.


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Daniel J. Stern 11 March 2005 21:04:57 permanent link ]
 On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, Comboverfish wrote:
*Full-time steady burning of the front turn signals alone
I'm sure you are correct, but my first thought was "you're kidding!" Is> there an example of a car in production that does this?

Sure:

Several Saturns including the Ion
Most current-production Cadillacs
The last Buick Century
The last Olds Intrigue
The current Chev/GMC full-size vans
'96-'00 Chrysler minivans (in Canada)
The '97-up GM minivans (Chev Venture, Pontiac Montana, Olds Silhouette,
Saturn Relay, Buick Terrazza)
The current Chevrolet Malibu
Several current Toyotas (at least in Canada).
One amp non-focused yellow lights in bright sunlight seems useless to> me. Please tell me what I'm missing!

Well, you're missing a few things, most notably that light is not measured
in amps. it's measured in candela, candlepower, lux or lumens. There is no
such thing as "an amp of light". That's because different ways of making
light have different levels of efficiency. Except for the fact that
they're amber and therefore introduce ambiguity into the front signal
system, turn signal DRLs are dandy. They produce just about the perfect
amount of light, distributed through just about perfect horizontal and
vertical angles, for an effective daytime running light without glare.

Now if only they were white (or some color other than amber), they *would*
be just about perfect.

DS
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Ray 11 March 2005 22:49:04 permanent link ]
 Daniel J. Stern wrote:
Sure:>
Several Saturns including the Ion> Most current-production Cadillacs> The last Buick Century> The last Olds Intrigue> The current Chev/GMC full-size vans> '96-'00 Chrysler minivans (in Canada)> The '97-up GM minivans (Chev Venture, Pontiac Montana, Olds Silhouette,> Saturn Relay, Buick Terrazza)> The current Chevrolet Malibu> Several current Toyotas (at least in Canada).>
One amp non-focused yellow lights in bright sunlight seems useless to>>me. Please tell me what I'm missing!>

93-2002 Firebirds use turn signal DRLs.
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Bdeditch 12 March 2005 09:38:02 permanent link ]
 So I guess my Light switch isn't working then :o))

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Daniel J. Stern 12 March 2005 21:55:08 permanent link ]
 On Fri, 11 Mar 2005, Comboverfish wrote:
I understand the concept of amperage, light power, and efficiency.

You said "1-amp lights".
was just making a flip comment on the fact that manufacturers were> using what roughly amounts to an 1157 for DRL purposes.

The reason why this is dumb has nothing to do with that kind of bulb's
current draw or light output. It has to do with that kind of bulb's short
life when burned steadily.
I would much prefer series-ed high beams for the extra cost of the> relays or module.

Not if you understood DRLs, you wouldn't. Reduced-intensity high beam DRLs
are the least effective kind. Their horizontal angle of visibility is
extremely narrow, which essentially nullifies their effectiveness under
North American conditions, where DRLs have been shown to be effective
primarily in reducing off-axis collisions. Furthermore, even when operated
at reduced intensity, high-beam DRLs produce high levels of glare that
cause numerous negative safety consequences (turn signal masking,
encouragement of improper nighttime light use, causing other drivers to
use the "night" position on their mirror during the day, etc.). High-beam
DRLs were GM's "least possible compliance cost" solution to the Canadian
DRL mandate, and really are not very satisfactory DRLs at all.
I'm not a safety nazi but I strongly feel that low output amber light

It's the bright turn signal filaments, not the dim parking lamps, that are
activated as DRLs.

DS
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Comboverfish 13 March 2005 00:01:00 permanent link ]
 
Daniel J. Stern wrote:> On Fri, 11 Mar 2005, Comboverfish wrote:>
I understand the concept of amperage, light power, and efficiency.>
You said "1-amp lights".>
was just making a flip comment on the fact that manufacturers were> > using what roughly amounts to an 1157 for DRL purposes.>
The reason why this is dumb has nothing to do with that kind of
bulb's> current draw or light output. It has to do with that kind of bulb's
short> life when burned steadily.>
I would much prefer series-ed high beams for the extra cost of the> > relays or module.>
Not if you understood DRLs, you wouldn't. Reduced-intensity high beam
DRLs> are the least effective kind. Their horizontal angle of visibility is> extremely narrow, which essentially nullifies their effectiveness
under> North American conditions, where DRLs have been shown to be effective> primarily in reducing off-axis collisions. Furthermore, even when
operated> at reduced intensity, high-beam DRLs produce high levels of glare
that> cause numerous negative safety consequences (turn signal masking,> encouragement of improper nighttime light use, causing other drivers
use the "night" position on their mirror during the day, etc.).
High-beam> DRLs were GM's "least possible compliance cost" solution to the
Canadian> DRL mandate, and really are not very satisfactory DRLs at all.>
I'm not a safety nazi but I strongly feel that low output amber
light>
It's the bright turn signal filaments, not the dim parking lamps,
that are> activated as DRLs.>
DS


Alrighty. I'll take your word for it that turn signals are better
safetywise.

Thanks for the replies,

Toyota MDT in MO

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Ulf 13 March 2005 19:49:42 permanent link ]
 Daniel J. Stern wrote:
turn signal DRLs are dandy. They produce just about the perfect> amount of light, distributed through just about perfect horizontal and> vertical angles, for an effective daytime running light without glare.>
Now if only they were white (or some color other than amber), they *would*> be just about perfect.

Driving a car with turn signal DRL's ('97 Camaro), this is exactly what
I've been saying for *years*. Good thing DS finally admits I'm right.
DS

Ulf
--
ulf.cc
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Mic Canic 14 March 2005 03:15:23 permanent link ]
 the sunfires and cavbiliers are well known for headlite harness problems

Backbone wrote:
"bdeditch" <bdeditch@gmail.com­> wrote in message> news:1110461339.211­557.66680@z14g2000cw­z.googlegroups.com..­.> > A couple of weeks ago my low beams would not work. The DRL and high>
Question. what is a DRL?

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