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Guest 8 March 2005 14:36:25
 
When I start the engine of my 96 Metro in the morning, it sounds like a
tractor, lots of knocking coming from the engine.

But after a few minutes, its fine, and you don't hear anything. Someone
said
it might be the fuel pump gone.

This only happens if its been left all night, not when its only been
left
for a few hours.


Any suggestions?


Thanks

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Jan Kalin 8 March 2005 14:56:54 permanent link ]
 In article <1110278185.261583.­195020@f14g2000cwb.g­ooglegroups.com>,
tf19@hotmail.com wrote:>
When I start the engine of my 96 Metro in the morning, it sounds like a>tractor, lots of knocking coming from the engine.>
But after a few minutes, its fine, and you don't hear anything. Someone>said>it might be the fuel pump gone.>
This only happens if its been left all night, not when its only been>left>for a few hours.

Could be self-adjusting tappets - thingys that come between valves and
camshaft. See http://www.volvoclu­b.org.uk/tech/Hydrau­licTappets.pdf They
expand under oil pressure provided by the oil pump so that no valve
adjustment is necessary.

Overnight the pressure drops and a gap appears as if the valves weren't
adjusted. At lower temperatures, when the oil is thick, it takes some time
to recharge them. If the sound is present more frequently at low
temperatures then this is probably the cause. Different grades of oil will
also affect recharge rate.

The service manual for my BMW with a M50 2.5l engine states that this is
not considered a problem unless the noise doesn't disappear after 15
minutes.

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Don Stauffer in Minneapolis 8 March 2005 18:57:38 permanent link ]
 tf19@hotmail.com wrote:
When I start the engine of my 96 Metro in the morning, it sounds like a> tractor, lots of knocking coming from the engine.>
But after a few minutes, its fine, and you don't hear anything. Someone> said> it might be the fuel pump gone.>
This only happens if its been left all night, not when its only been> left> for a few hours.>
Any suggestions?>
Thanks>
Could be several things, but probably not fuel pump. Lifters is one
thing. When car is left for long time, oil drains out of hydraulic
lifters. When cold engine is started, lifters do not fill entirely at
first, takes a bit of time.

Piston slap. Piston clearances are larger on cold engine- as engine
warms up pistons expand more than cylinder bore does. My car (Neon) had
this at about forty thousand. Dealer said- fairly normal, it won't get
worse. Indeed it hasn't. Still slight knock but I have over eighty five
thousand on it and noise is no worse now.
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Don Byrer 10 March 2005 08:23:36 permanent link ]
 Bad Anti-Drainback valve in oil filter? Or oil viscosity is toast?
Cheap enough to try an oil/filter change with a quality filter...


--Don

On 8 Mar 2005 02:36:25 -0800, tf19@hotmail.com wrote:
When I start the engine of my 96 Metro in the morning, it sounds like a>tractor, lots of knocking coming from the engine.>
But after a few minutes, its fine, and you don't hear anything. Someone>said>it might be the fuel pump gone.>
This only happens if its been left all night, not when its only been>left>for a few hours.>
Any suggestions?>
Thanks

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Huw 11 March 2005 00:02:08 permanent link ]
 
<tf19@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1110278185.261­583.195020@f14g2000c­wb.googlegroups.com.­..>
When I start the engine of my 96 Metro in the morning, it sounds like a> tractor, lots of knocking coming from the engine.>
But after a few minutes, its fine, and you don't hear anything. Someone> said> it might be the fuel pump gone.>
This only happens if its been left all night, not when its only been> left> for a few hours.>

I am surprised that a Metro has lasted this long. Most of them seem to have
been scrapped. A nastier example of a rusty Leyland [BL] model would be hard
to find barring the Morris Ital.

Huw


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