A link, which confirms what some of us think and flies in the face of what>others of us believe:>

You pay your money and you take your lumps>

In Europe they regularly go to 15,000 to 25,000 mile oil change> intervals. They also have a different spec for their oil. There is a> new spec hitting the streets that will make most US oils, at least> those adhering to the latest and greatest specs, the same or nearly so> as the European specs and easily capable of going way beyond the> ridiculous 3000 mile to 7500 mile interval now called for. If you use> Mobile One even now you can easily go 12,000/1 year unless you are> operating under very severe conditions. I'm sure others will> disagree.

http://autos.msn.co­m/volvo/article.aspx­?contentid=4022672&G­T1=6251>

You pay your money and you take your lumps>

"HLS" <nospam@nospam.nix>­ wrote in message >news:d0b91h$bkn$1@­news.chatlink.com...­>>A link, which confirms what some of us think and flies in the face of what>> others of us believe:>>

It is amazing the volume of bollocks written by American idiots on the >subject of oil changes.>Using just ordinary dino oil meeting APISL it is now commonplace to have a >minimum 7500 mile service period. Better oils used in better engines allow >15000 mile severe and up to 30,000 miles in ideal conditions in a variety of >European engines.>Ford engines in Europe have 12000 mile/one year service schedule while GM >Europe have either fixed 20,000 or variable 20,000 to 30,000 mile intervals. >Not Kilometres, MILES.>

Huw >

I consider a vehicle that has the oil changed> ever 3 mo/3K miles to be pampered. My personal vehicles> routinely turn over 200K miles on 5K changes using good> filters and name brand (most any other than PA crude grades)> dino oil.

And here in the states, it is common for heavy diesel trucks> to have 100K mile change intervals. 20K is now considered> short.

I change the oil on mine every 3k because the engine design had poor> oiling to the bottom end due to design shortcuts. One of the banes of> owning 25 year old technology.

"HLS" <nospam@nospam.nix>­ wrote in message> news:d0b91h$bkn$1@n­ews.chatlink.com...>­ >A link, which confirms what some of us think and flies in the face of

It is amazing the volume of bollocks written by American idiots on the> subject of oil changes.

"lugnut" <lugnut@bellsouth.n­et> wrote in message >news:jqvj21dcofjg6­v900fv68vi1571kn6ktt­p@4ax.com...>> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 18:02:46 -0000, "Huw">> <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.­uk> wrote:>>

Exactly as in Europe. Generally we use the same engines and same oils on >both Continents.>

I consider a vehicle that has the oil changed>> ever 3 mo/3K miles to be pampered. My personal vehicles>> routinely turn over 200K miles on 5K changes using good>> filters and name brand (most any other than PA crude grades)>> dino oil.>

Consider the 2.5 V6 Ford engine. In the UK this has 12000 mile service >intervals. No doubt the interval is much shorter in the USA?>However, I do know that both Mercedes and BMW engines have similar intervals >on both sides of the Pond. In my experience both marques average 12000 to >16000 miles between oil changes.>VW however seem to have given up pushing their extended intervals in the >USA, not due to any technical issues, but due purely to consumer incredulity >born of ignorance. It is just less hard work and more profitable for them to >get mugs to visit them every three to five thousand miles because they wish >fervently to do so. It takes all sorts.>

Huw >

"Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.­uk> wrote in message> news:38uaiaF5qk1slU­1@individual.net...>­>

'Bollocks'???> I think idiots from all countries write garbage about oil changes.

The problem, as I see it and as we have mentioned many times before, is > that> there are a lot of opinions, manufacturers specs, and oil formulators BS,> but little trustworthy data.>

One of my old bosses used to say 'one scientific test is worth a thousand> expert opinions'. Very true.>

"Ashton Crusher" <Hello@nowhere.net>­ wrote in message >news:d5lk21dejh2p5­s5d137fvcskvdndl5qs8­v@4ax.com...>> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 20:19:18 -0000, "Huw">> <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.­uk> wrote:>>

I beg to differ. In Europe as in America the normal base requirments have >been API SJ and lately SL.>

The latest API>> spec that's now hitting the US shelves is the first time mainstream US>> oils will be more or less the same as the typical oils used in Europe.>

API is only a base standard below which an oil is not acceptable. Two API >petrol standards are acceptable at any time with a new revised introduction >knocking the older of the two existing ones off the acceptable list.>Most other oils which exceed these base standards meet other standards which >are graded for performance as well as application. Examples are ACEA and MB >which form the standards which others branch off from. It is becoming >increasingly common for manufacturers to specify their own oil performance >standards which may, or may not, shaddow the ACEA and MB ones. Even the ACEA >ones are actually a copy of those set by Mercedes Benz.>

I would not argue with that. Of course, lesser oils can be used if changed >more often, but that would only cause more confusion in the easily >befuddled.>

Huw >

You're still wrong. There are significant differences.

That's no different then the fact that while new cars now specify SJ> oils you can still use the older oil grades if you are really cheap.

As with the prior example, at best you'll need to change the oil more> often and will probably have increased wear.

lugnut wrote:>

I change the oil on mine every 3k because the engine design> had poor oiling to the bottom end due to design shortcuts.> One of the banes of owning 25 year old technology.>

JazzMan

You're still wrong. There are significant differences. It's true> that you can use "American motor oil" in European cars, but you'll> need to change it more often and will probably have increased wear.

il as the spec required by the Europeans.>>>

Horse. Douvres.

"Steve" <no@spam.thanks> wrote in message > news:Z6OdnbmPB-XbVr­HfRVn-1A@texas.net..­.>

Horses at Dover? You've lost me there.>

Huw >