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CarGuru > Technology > the starter and neurtral safety swich are good 13 February 2005 05:57:30
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the starter and neurtral safety swich are good

KingWalter 13 February 2005 05:57:30
 I've been trying to find out why my car won't start. The battery sits
at 12 volts. The lights, radio, and wipers work. I tested the neutral
safety switch by starting it in neutral reverse. After that I tried
the starter bypass
I forgot to reconnect the power to the solenoid before the bypass.
When I did the bypass, I heard a loud click from the solenoid but
nothing from the motor so I thought the starter motor was bad.
After I noticed my mistake and I hooked up the starter correctly. I
connected the power wire to the starter and, when I hooked up the
positive battery wire, completing the circuit, the starter went off
immediately. The only way to shut it off was to disconnect the
battery.
The circuit board looked good but I can't test the electrical because I
can't hook up the battery. If I do then the starter will melt the
battery head, which it already did to an extent.

What did I break?

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Rick De Visser 8 February 2005 23:38:58 [ permanent link ]
 wow, it's quite confusing now.

let clarify - the positive from the battery goes to one side of the solenoid
(big connection). Often there will be other wires (big or small) on this
terminal that power other parts of the car.
The other side of the solenoid (the other big connection that is) goes to
the starter motor.

To start the car, we take power and apply it to the smaller 3rd terminal on
the solenoid which will connect the 2 other cables together. (usually by
turning the key)

If you connect your battery and the starter motor goes, either your solenoid
is stuck, you have power to the 3rd terminal, or you have directly connected
your battery cable to the starter motor in effect.

The melting on your battery terminal are from a 'bad connection' while you
are trying to put on the cable you are arcing.




"KingWalter" <gotboy18e@hotmail.­com> wrote in message
news:1107878070.010­087.322190@z14g2000c­wz.googlegroups.com.­..>
If you (assuming starter is grounded!) connect just the batteries> positive cable> > to the starter -- what happens?> > If the solenoid is functioning properly -- nothing will happen.> > If the Starter spins -- solenoid is faulty.>
The grounding on the starter is the s-wire, correct?> So to do this test I disconnect the switch wire. If the starter spins> when connected to the battery than the solenoid is bad.>
positive cable from the battery should go directly to the solenoid,> > not to the starter motor!>
I'm sorry if I wasn't clear before. Some times I think of the> starter and the solenoid as one. The positive cable from the battery is> connected to the solenoid, and the only wire I see connected to the> starter is the motor terminal from the solenoid, but shouldn't the> car still be getting power from the smaller wire from the battery?>


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Billy Bad Assr© 12 February 2005 17:59:35 [ permanent link ]
 
I thought that the problem was the ignition switch because the> starter worked during the bypass and the car did not start in> neutral. Today I put a new ignition switch in, but there was no change.> The car still did not start.> > okay -- if only (assuming starter in grounded or bolted in place) the> large> > terminal (the one with the threads) was connected to positive battery> post --> >starter spins = faulty solenoid!> It's bolted to the engine. Is there another test I can do for the> solenoid?

Remove the starter - using a set of battery cables - attach cables to the
battery 1st then to the starter: (-) side Attach to starter/solenoid housing.
Clamp around a bolthole. Now, support the starter so that it doesn't get away
from you -- (+) goes to large terminal. Nothing happens!! Right?

Next is to, again support the starter -- then attach a 12 gauge wire - goes from
large terminal to "S" terminal on solenoid! Starter solenoid levers starter gear
and spins the gear << this is what is supposed to happen! jar starter around a
bit and try again - still works -- starter is okay - is another issue!



If you think that it's an issue -- try bypassing neutral safety> switch - 2> > wire -- wire together> How is a neutral safety switch bypass done?

A 2-wire connector - short the 2 wires together - use a jumper wire - an
additional wire!

BBA


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KingWalter 13 February 2005 05:57:30 [ permanent link ]
 
How is a neutral safety switch bypass done?>
A 2-wire connector - short the 2 wires together - use a jumper wire -
additional wire!

I tested the neutral safety switch with a voltmeter. The voltage was at
11.4 in start and zero at the off and run positions. I also used a
12-gage wire as a jumper wire. The car did not start.
So we can determine that the problem is after the neutral safety
switch, and since the starter worked during the bypass, the only thing
it could be is the solenoid, right?

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