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Summer / Winter Tyres?
Me 8 January 2007 01:41:59
	Pardon my total ignorance, but what's the difference? I don't know anyone that changes their tyres for the winter...
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Timo Geusch 7 January 2007 15:05:09 [ permanent link ]
	Me wrote: Pardon my total ignorance, but what's the difference? Try driving on snow with summer tyres and report back. I don't know anyone that changes their tyres for the winter... I do, but they don't live in the UK. I'd probably do if I lived in Scotland or another place where you'd get snow and/or ice on a regular basis. Or if I were going to Switzerland in winter on a regular basis. -- '89 Mazda RX-7 Convertible '91 Honda CRX 16V '92 Mazda RX-7 (pending)
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Steve Firth 7 January 2007 16:33:19 [ permanent link ]
	On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 11:39:32 -0000, Me wrote: Pardon my total ignorance, but what's the difference? Different tyre compounds, different tread. Winter tyres are not all the same, some are capable of being fitted with studs for driving on ice. I don't know anyone that changes their tyres for the winter... That's because the Brits are daft and drive on the same tyres all year round. Hence even a light shower of snow and the country comes to a halt.
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Burgerman 7 January 2007 16:49:18 [ permanent link ]
	"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message news:1incq3k8zyfyi$.ug0lirpvz6ao$.dlg@40tude.net...> On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 11:39:32 -0000, Me wrote:>>> Pardon my total ignorance, but what's the difference?>> Different tyre compounds, different tread. Winter tyres are not all the> same, some are capable of being fitted with studs for driving on ice.>>> I don't know anyone that changes their tyres for the winter...>> That's because the Brits are daft and drive on the same tyres all year> round. Hence even a light shower of snow and the country comes to a halt. Why are we not allowed to use slicks in summer though? Ive used them in the wet on the road and its not an issue. At least on a bike. They dont grip as well but you soon feel that and drive accordingly. Its not like a racetrack where you fall off because you are trying to ride near the limit. So the odd summer shower shouldnt be any problem. The law is stupid...
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Steve Firth 7 January 2007 17:08:44 [ permanent link ]
	On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 13:49:18 GMT, Burgerman wrote: Why are we not allowed to use slicks in summer though? Because plod aren't clever enought oargue the difference between "bald" and "slick" hence it's easier for them to simply base their case on being able to test the tread depth using an old coin. Ive used them in the wet on the road and its not an issue. At least on a > bike. They dont grip as well but you soon feel that and drive accordingly. > Its not like a racetrack where you fall off because you are trying to ride > near the limit. So the odd summer shower shouldnt be any problem.> The law is stupid... Indeed, a friend at work who is a track enhusiast was stopped by plod for driving on "bald" tyres. He was heading home on the same semi-slicks he had used on the track. Pointing out that the tyres had more grip in the wet that standard compund didn't wash with the two low-brows who stopped him. Fortunately a court agreed with him that the dimples in the tyres counted as tread.
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DervMan 7 January 2007 17:21:57 [ permanent link ]
	"Me" <no.0ne@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:45a0a356$0$14839$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...> Pardon my total ignorance, but what's the difference? The tread design and rubber compound. Winter tyres are designed for cold, wet or icy conditions, where they offer superior grip. And as Steve says they may also benefit from studs too. I don't know anyone that changes their tyres for the winter... Most people in the United Kingdom, either through ignorance, cost or stupidity, don't bother with winter tyres. But travel far enough north in the UK or visit Germany and you'll find many people run summer and winter tyres. -- The DervMan www.dervman.com
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Burgerman 7 January 2007 17:29:56 [ permanent link ]
	"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message news:1f00gh893j70e.1u50e92pujyo0.dlg@40tude.net...> On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 13:49:18 GMT, Burgerman wrote:>>> Why are we not allowed to use slicks in summer though?>> Because plod aren't clever enought oargue the difference between "bald" > and> "slick" hence it's easier for them to simply base their case on being able> to test the tread depth using an old coin. Ah but since a slick has "no tread" then the tread must be the grooves. So when your tyre has worn out and is smooth, the "tread" is still their. Its air. Ive used them in the wet on the road and its not an issue. At least on a>> bike. They dont grip as well but you soon feel that and drive >> accordingly.>> Its not like a racetrack where you fall off because you are trying to >> ride>> near the limit. So the odd summer shower shouldnt be any problem.>> The law is stupid...>> Indeed, a friend at work who is a track enhusiast was stopped by plod for> driving on "bald" tyres. He was heading home on the same semi-slicks he > had> used on the track. Pointing out that the tyres had more grip in the wet> that standard compund didn't wash with the two low-brows who stopped him.>> Fortunately a court agreed with him that the dimples in the tyres counted> as tread. So it sould. However it is supposed to be x percent...
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Elder 7 January 2007 19:12:27 [ permanent link ]
	In article <45a102a9$0$31230$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk>, thedervman@gmail.com says...>The tread design and rubber compound. Winter tyres are designed for cold, >wet or icy conditions, where they offer superior grip. And as Steve says >they may also benefit from studs too.> Winter tyres tend to be a higher profile, different compound, narrower width and more open tread pattern. Snow tyres tend to have studs. But on non snow/ice surfaces tend to be speed limited to stop the studs pinging out and because they are noisy. -- Carl Robson Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com Now Playing at homeamned-Born to Kill
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Clive George 7 January 2007 19:54:40 [ permanent link ]
	"Elder" <carl.robson@bouncing-czechs.com> wrote in message news:MPG.200b2c3cfd91fd91102e@news.individual.net... Snow tyres tend to have studs. But on non snow/ice surfaces tend to be> speed limited to stop the studs pinging out and because they are noisy. I thought the studs were mainly for ice, not snow. The studs also wear the road out and the dust produced is nasty. In Oslo if you've got studded tyres you have to pay more for using the roads. As a result people who do most of their driving on urban roads tend to use non-studded tyres - and from what I've heard, they're ok. Still wouldn't do without them further north though. cheers, clive
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Jason 7 January 2007 20:20:54 [ permanent link ]
	"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message news:1incq3k8zyfyi$.ug0lirpvz6ao$.dlg@40tude.net...> On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 11:39:32 -0000, Me wrote:>>> Pardon my total ignorance, but what's the difference?>> Different tyre compounds, different tread. Winter tyres are not all the> same, some are capable of being fitted with studs for driving on ice.>>> I don't know anyone that changes their tyres for the winter...>> That's because the Brits are daft and drive on the same tyres all year> round. Hence even a light shower of snow and the country comes to a halt. The country comes to a half because local councils do not grit roads and there is nothing to clear them with. They wait until there is an accident as it appears to be cheaper that way. The public are also to blame, why set out in very poor conditions ignoring weather forecasts and warnings, then shout "I'm stuck". You don't need summer/winter tyres in the UK unless somewhere like Scotland. It will be the next thing to appear in advertising this year by the way, a few of the struggling garages will try to insist people need to change tyres so they can generate income. No doubt sell people exhausts, shock absorbers and brakes!
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Jason 7 January 2007 20:21:46 [ permanent link ]
	"Burgerman" <burgerman@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:yT6oh.34701$1W1.20384@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...>> "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message > news:1incq3k8zyfyi$.ug0lirpvz6ao$.dlg@40tude.net...>> On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 11:39:32 -0000, Me wrote:>>>>> Pardon my total ignorance, but what's the difference?>>>> Different tyre compounds, different tread. Winter tyres are not all the>> same, some are capable of being fitted with studs for driving on ice.>>>>> I don't know anyone that changes their tyres for the winter...>>>> That's because the Brits are daft and drive on the same tyres all year>> round. Hence even a light shower of snow and the country comes to a halt.>> Why are we not allowed to use slicks in summer though?> Ive used them in the wet on the road and its not an issue. At least on a > bike. They dont grip as well but you soon feel that and drive accordingly. > Its not like a racetrack where you fall off because you are trying to ride > near the limit. So the odd summer shower shouldnt be any problem.> The law is stupid...>> from what you say I think you're stupid.
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SteveH 7 January 2007 20:22:34 [ permanent link ]
	Jason <jason2@scooberoo.co.uk> wrote: That's because the Brits are daft and drive on the same tyres all year> > round. Hence even a light shower of snow and the country comes to a halt.> > The country comes to a half because local councils do not grit roads and> there is nothing to clear them with. They wait until there is an accident> as it appears to be cheaper that way. Hardly any other European country grits their roads, certainly not to the extent that we do. It is possible to drive on icy roads without gritting, it's just that most drivers are too useless to do this. -- SteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #
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Douglas Payne 7 January 2007 20:31:54 [ permanent link ]
	Timo Geusch wrote:> Me wrote:> > >>Pardon my total ignorance, but what's the difference?> > > Try driving on snow with summer tyres and report back. Surely to make this test worthwhile the OP would have to try winter tyres on snow too? I don't know anyone that changes their tyres for the winter...> > > I do, but they don't live in the UK. I'd probably do if I lived in> Scotland or another place where you'd get snow and/or ice on a regular> basis. Or if I were going to Switzerland in winter on a regular basis. I live in Scotland, but I don't change my tyres from summer to winter for the 3 days or so in a year there's enough snow to make driving tricky. I know some people who do but they live in the northern reaches. -- Douglas
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Timo Geusch 7 January 2007 20:43:32 [ permanent link ]
	Douglas Payne wrote: Timo Geusch wrote:> > Me wrote:> > > > > > > Pardon my total ignorance, but what's the difference?> > > > > > Try driving on snow with summer tyres and report back.> > Surely to make this test worthwhile the OP would have to try winter> tyres on snow too? Depends if he's still got a car to put them on -- '89 Mazda RX-7 Convertible '91 Honda CRX 16V '92 Mazda RX-7 (pending)
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Steve Firth 7 January 2007 20:44:50 [ permanent link ]
	On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:20:54 -0000, Jason wrote: The country comes to a half because local councils do not grit roads No, the country comes to halt because it's full of cackwits like you. FFS, where I live even the mountain roads don't get gritted, people change to winter tyres and errm learn how to drive. Something you should have a go at then you wouldn't post uninformed bollocks about tyres.
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Timo Geusch 7 January 2007 20:46:44 [ permanent link ]
	SteveH wrote: Jason <jason2@scooberoo.co.uk> wrote:> > > > That's because the Brits are daft and drive on the same tyres all> > > year round. Hence even a light shower of snow and the country> > > comes to a halt.> > > > The country comes to a half because local councils do not grit> > roads and there is nothing to clear them with. They wait until> > there is an accident as it appears to be cheaper that way.> > Hardly any other European country grits their roads, certainly not to> the extent that we do. Indeed, and a fat lot of good it does, too. Actually, my mum mentioned that they've starting salting the roads (as opposed to just gritting them without any salt) again in her corner of Switzerland. Rumour has it that too many tourists were damaging both themselves and the road furniture. -- '89 Mazda RX-7 Convertible '91 Honda CRX 16V '92 Mazda RX-7 (pending)
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DervMan 7 January 2007 20:57:56 [ permanent link ]
	"Elder" <carl.robson@bouncing-czechs.com> wrote in message news:MPG.200b2c3cfd91fd91102e@news.individual.net...> In article <45a102a9$0$31230$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk>,> thedervman@gmail.com says...>>The tread design and rubber compound. Winter tyres are designed for cold,>>wet or icy conditions, where they offer superior grip. And as Steve says>>they may also benefit from studs too.>>> Winter tyres tend to be a higher profile, different compound, narrower> width and more open tread pattern. Well you're throwing the wheels into the equation too. For Kermy, I used 185/60/13H tyres on a 5.5J alloy but had four 13 4.5J steels for my winter tyres; they would have worn 145/80s or 155/70s. Snow tyres tend to have studs. But on non snow/ice surfaces tend to be> speed limited to stop the studs pinging out and because they are noisy. -- The DervMan www.dervman.com
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Steve Firth 7 January 2007 21:01:22 [ permanent link ]
	On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 17:31:54 +0000, Douglas Payne wrote: I live in Scotland, but I don't change my tyres from summer to winter > for the 3 days or so in a year there's enough snow to make driving > tricky. I know some people who do but they live in the northern reaches. Err, they aren't just useful for snow, the compound has better drip at low temperatures. Also the aggressive tread patter helps with clearing water and with mud. I don't know what conditions are like where you are, but in Hampshire (where I live in the UK) winter tyres are useful because of the road conditions. This is especially so in rural areas where run off of mud onto the roads is common, and in areas where flooding happens every few weeks. In Italy, my other place of residence, winter tyres are essential.
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Steve Firth 7 January 2007 21:03:52 [ permanent link ]
	On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 17:46:44 +0000, Timo Geusch wrote: Actually, my mum mentioned that they've starting salting the roads (as> opposed to just gritting them without any salt) again in her corner of> Switzerland. Rumour has it that too many tourists were damaging both> themselves and the road furniture. That's interesting because last time I took the A2 via the Gotthard tunnel, they were tearing up the road (again) and seemed to be removing the surface that had been put in to gove more grip in winter. I'm not sure what is in the compound on that road, it looks like broken glass.
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DervMan 7 January 2007 21:40:11 [ permanent link ]
	"Vamp" <None@none.com> wrote in message news:vq6dnU3Iy71EoTzYRVnyiwA@pipex.net...>> "Clive George" <clive@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message > news:45a126de$0$8736$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...>> "Elder" <carl.robson@bouncing-czechs.com> wrote in message >> news:MPG.200b2c3cfd91fd91102e@news.individual.net...>>>>> Snow tyres tend to have studs. But on non snow/ice surfaces tend to be>>> speed limited to stop the studs pinging out and because they are noisy.>>>> I thought the studs were mainly for ice, not snow.>>>> The studs also wear the road out and the dust produced is nasty. In Oslo >> if you've got studded tyres you have to pay more for using the roads. As >> a result people who do most of their driving on urban roads tend to use >> non-studded tyres - and from what I've heard, they're ok. Still wouldn't >> do without them further north though.>>> i always thought people used tyre chains rather than mess about with > studded tyres It's the other way around. People with studded tyres point and laugh at people struggling to put chains on. For what it's worth, when I was planning the Arctic Circle trip, I dismissed chains as the first choice early on. They're noisy, uncomfortable and occasionally snap, making both a mess and causing you real issues if you don't have a limited slip differential. But they are easier to carry than a set of four tyres. -- The DervMan www.dervman.com
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Timo Geusch 7 January 2007 21:40:45 [ permanent link ]
	Vamp wrote: "Clive George" <clive@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message> news:45a126de$0$8736$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net... >"Elder"> <carl.robson@bouncing-czechs.com> wrote in message> news:MPG.200b2c3cfd91fd91102e@news.individual.net...> > > > > Snow tyres tend to have studs. But on non snow/ice surfaces tend> > > to be speed limited to stop the studs pinging out and because> > > they are noisy.> > > > I thought the studs were mainly for ice, not snow.> > > > The studs also wear the road out and the dust produced is nasty. In> > Oslo if you've got studded tyres you have to pay more for using> > the roads. As a result people who do most of their driving on> > urban roads tend to use non-studded tyres - and from what I've> > heard, they're ok. Still wouldn't do without them further north> > though.> > > > > > i always thought people used tyre chains rather than mess about with> studded tyres You can drive a lot faster with studded tyres than chains. That said, studded tyres seem to mostly illegal around the alps because they damage the road surface if there's no snow. -- '89 Mazda RX-7 Convertible '91 Honda CRX 16V '92 Mazda RX-7 (pending)
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Clive George 7 January 2007 21:44:02 [ permanent link ]
	"Vamp" <None@none.com> wrote in message news:vq6dnU3Iy71EoTzYRVnyiwA@pipex.net... i always thought people used tyre chains rather than mess about with > studded tyres Giggle! You ever used tyre chains? Over here, you don't have the choice - AFAIK studs are illegal. But in a place where there's snow and ice on the roads for several months of the year, studs are the way forwards - literally (that said, when it gets really hairy, chains win again. That's why the tractors at the ski resorts have them - and they're really serious sets ) cheers, clive
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Vamp 7 January 2007 21:47:38 [ permanent link ]
	"Clive George" <clive@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:45a126de$0$8736$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...> "Elder" <carl.robson@bouncing-czechs.com> wrote in message > news:MPG.200b2c3cfd91fd91102e@news.individual.net...>>> Snow tyres tend to have studs. But on non snow/ice surfaces tend to be>> speed limited to stop the studs pinging out and because they are noisy.>> I thought the studs were mainly for ice, not snow.>> The studs also wear the road out and the dust produced is nasty. In Oslo > if you've got studded tyres you have to pay more for using the roads. As a > result people who do most of their driving on urban roads tend to use > non-studded tyres - and from what I've heard, they're ok. Still wouldn't > do without them further north though.>> i always thought people used tyre chains rather than mess about with studded tyres
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Burgerman 7 January 2007 22:26:28 [ permanent link ]
	"Jason" <jason2@scooberoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:45a12c02$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...>> "Burgerman" <burgerman@ntlworld.com> wrote in message > news:yT6oh.34701$1W1.20384@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...>>>> "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:1incq3k8zyfyi$.ug0lirpvz6ao$.dlg@40tude.net...>>> On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 11:39:32 -0000, Me wrote:>>>>>>> Pardon my total ignorance, but what's the difference?>>>>>> Different tyre compounds, different tread. Winter tyres are not all the>>> same, some are capable of being fitted with studs for driving on ice.>>>>>>> I don't know anyone that changes their tyres for the winter...>>>>>> That's because the Brits are daft and drive on the same tyres all year>>> round. Hence even a light shower of snow and the country comes to a >>> halt.>>>> Why are we not allowed to use slicks in summer though?>> Ive used them in the wet on the road and its not an issue. At least on a >> bike. They dont grip as well but you soon feel that and drive >> accordingly. Its not like a racetrack where you fall off because you are >> trying to ride near the limit. So the odd summer shower shouldnt be any >> problem.>> The law is stupid...>>>>> from what you say I think you're stupid. Thats your choice! I have no problem with them.
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Clive George 7 January 2007 23:03:33 [ permanent link ]
	"Vamp" <None@none.com> wrote in message news:lt-dndyZ77-MzTzYnZ2dnUVZ8qminZ2d@pipex.net... nope never used studded tyres or chains and yeah i'm one of the 'idiots' > that uses summer tyres all year. just doesn't get cold enough in essex to > need them i find. Doesn't even in the wilds of Yorkshire IME. Bit disappointing really cheers, clive
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Vamp 7 January 2007 23:12:02 [ permanent link ]
	"Clive George" <clive@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:45a13f90$0$8744$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...> "Vamp" <None@none.com> wrote in message > news:vq6dnU3Iy71EoTzYRVnyiwA@pipex.net...>>> i always thought people used tyre chains rather than mess about with >> studded tyres>> Giggle! You ever used tyre chains? Over here, you don't have the choice - > AFAIK studs are illegal. But in a place where there's snow and ice on the > roads for several months of the year, studs are the way forwards - > literally >> (that said, when it gets really hairy, chains win again. That's why the > tractors at the ski resorts have them - and they're really serious sets > )>> nope never used studded tyres or chains and yeah i'm one of the 'idiots' that uses summer tyres all year. just doesn't get cold enough in essex to need them i find.
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