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CarGuru > Saturn > Battery Question 15 May 2006 20:43:49

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Battery Question
Dean S. Lautermilch®Ієєі 15 May 2006 20:43:49
	I have a 2000 SL1 with 119K. Yesterday, the car would not start. All symptoms of a dead battery. Headlights were dim, trying to start was only making a clicking sound. I got a pair of jumper cables and the car started. A warehouse store was less than a mile away so I decided to drive there. On the way, the engine barely held idle. It almost died a few times in moderate traffic and I had to keep my foot on the gas to hold the RPMs above 600. I made it to the warehouse store auto section and the car died when I took my foot of the gas to talk to someone. It would not restart. New battery installed. Car runs just like it always did. No problems with idling at all. I've already driven it a number of times and all is well. My question: Why would the engine idle that way just because it was jump started? I thought once started the alternator provided all the power. Could the dead battery have been draining power needed to run the engine?
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Lane 7 April 2005 02:15:00 [ permanent link ]
	Could the dead battery have been draining power needed to run the engine? Yes, but it's probably more likely that your alternator is near death as well. You should have it checked (AutoZone does it for free, I believe). If it is bad, you may soon kill your new battery with it. Lane [ lane (at) evilplastic.com ] --- Visit my Saturn Car Audio and Performance Page at http://www.evilplastic.com "Dean S. Lautermilch®Ієєі" <ftlbard@nospam.bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:1158jap4pvutbe7@news.supernews.com...> I have a 2000 SL1 with 119K.> Yesterday, the car would not start. All symptoms of a dead battery.> Headlights were dim, trying to start was only making a clicking sound.> I got a pair of jumper cables and the car started. A warehouse store was> less than a mile away so I decided to drive there.> On the way, the engine barely held idle. It almost died a few times in> moderate traffic and I had to keep my foot on the gas to hold the RPMs above> 600. I made it to the warehouse store auto section and the car died when I> took my foot of the gas to talk to someone. It would not restart.> New battery installed.> Car runs just like it always did. No problems with idling at all. I've> already driven it a number of times and all is well.> My question: Why would the engine idle that way just because it was jump> started? I thought once started the alternator provided all the power. Could> the dead battery have been draining power needed to run the engine?>
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Bob Shuman 7 April 2005 06:23:18 [ permanent link ]
	I agree with Lane that the charging system is likely not working and that is why the battery was "dead" in the first place. When you jump started and then removed the jumper cables the battery was being discharged by the vehicle electronics. It ran very poorly because the battery voltage was probably barely above the acceptable level for the vehicle's electronics/computer to do their job. Have the charging system checked and replace the alternator if needed as well as the battery. Good luck. Bob "Lane" <lane@NOSPAMevilplastic.com> wrote in message news:xbZ4e.26$YS1.6@fe02.lga...> > Could the dead battery have been draining power needed to run the engine?> Yes, but it's probably more likely that your alternator is near death as> well. You should have it checked (AutoZone does it for free, I believe).> If it is bad, you may soon kill your new battery with it.> Lane [ lane (at) evilplastic.com ]> ---> Visit my Saturn Car Audio and Performance Page at http://www.evilplastic.com
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Dean S. Lautermilch®Ієєі 7 April 2005 18:25:38 [ permanent link ]
	So anyone know how much an alternator replacement for a 2000 SL1 will run? "Bob Shuman" <reshuman@removethis.lucent.com> wrote in message news:d325iq$c7a@netnews.proxy.lucent.com...>I agree with Lane that the charging system is likely not working and that >is> why the battery was "dead" in the first place. When you jump started and> then removed the jumper cables the battery was being discharged by the> vehicle electronics. It ran very poorly because the battery voltage was> probably barely above the acceptable level for the vehicle's> electronics/computer to do their job.> Have the charging system checked and replace the alternator if needed as> well as the battery. Good luck.> "Lane" <lane@NOSPAMevilplastic.com> wrote in message> news:xbZ4e.26$YS1.6@fe02.lga...>> > Could the dead battery have been draining power needed to run the> engine?>> Yes, but it's probably more likely that your alternator is near death as>> well. You should have it checked (AutoZone does it for free, I believe).>> If it is bad, you may soon kill your new battery with it.>> Lane [ lane (at) evilplastic.com ]>> --->> Visit my Saturn Car Audio and Performance Page at> http://www.evilplastic.com>
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M . Cantera 9 April 2005 19:23:46 [ permanent link ]
	Do it yourself? go to autozone's website, they have the price on line for a rebuilt unit. Though I would say that an alternator normally lasts a lot longer than 5 years. A shop should not charge you more than one to two hours labor plus parts. On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 10:25:38 -0400, "Dean S. LautermilchВ®ВІВєВєВі" <ftlbard@nospam.bellsouth.net> wrote: So anyone know how much an alternator replacement for a 2000 SL1 will run?> "Bob Shuman" <reshuman@removethis.lucent.com> wrote in message >news:d325iq$c7a@netnews.proxy.lucent.com...>>I agree with Lane that the charging system is likely not working and that >>is>> why the battery was "dead" in the first place. When you jump started and>> then removed the jumper cables the battery was being discharged by the>> vehicle electronics. It ran very poorly because the battery voltage was>> probably barely above the acceptable level for the vehicle's>> electronics/computer to do their job.>> Have the charging system checked and replace the alternator if needed as>> well as the battery. Good luck.>> "Lane" <lane@NOSPAMevilplastic.com> wrote in message>> news:xbZ4e.26$YS1.6@fe02.lga...>>> > Could the dead battery have been draining power needed to run the>> engine?>>> Yes, but it's probably more likely that your alternator is near death as>>> well. You should have it checked (AutoZone does it for free, I believe).>>> If it is bad, you may soon kill your new battery with it.>>> Lane [ lane (at) evilplastic.com ]>>> --->>> Visit my Saturn Car Audio and Performance Page at>> http://www.evilplastic.com>>
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Bob Shuman 9 April 2005 22:10:25 [ permanent link ]
	If the "dead" battery had internally shorted cells, then the voltage would be pulled down enough to show the symptoms you saw. batteries can fail in a number of different ways, including open cells, open to posts (battery won't work at all), shorted cells, or just plan worn out and no longer holding anything near the original full charge. Glad that you have this fixed and it was cheap. I usually try to change my batteries every 4 years as a preventive measure. It is much better in my opinion to do it when it is convenient and Sears has a DieHard Gold on sale. Bob "Dean S. Lautermilch®Ієєі" <ftlbard@nospam.bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:115fvjrn6e8id16@news.supernews.com...> The alternator tested fine at the dealership. So it looks like a totally> dead battery can suck enough energy at low idle to cause the engine to> sputter.>
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Blah Blah 10 April 2005 05:53:27 [ permanent link ]
	In article <115fvjrn6e8id16@news.supernews.com>, ftlbard@nospam.bellsouth.net says...> The alternator tested fine at the dealership. So it looks like a totally > dead battery can suck enough energy at low idle to cause the engine to > sputter. Yes your alternator cant produce enough voltage at idle. Nice user name btw.
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Jeff Lloyd 15 May 2006 03:06:26 [ permanent link ]
	Hello, We just bought a 06 Prius yesterday and we love this car! One question is that the battery never really seems go get Fully charged, you know with all of the bars filled green? It usually has hovered right around 3/4 charged, one bar below when the status bar turns green. (I hope that makes sense). Anyway, there is only 200 miles on her by now - does this sound odd to anyone? Comments appreciated!
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Jean B. 15 May 2006 04:16:28 [ permanent link ]
	Jeff Lloyd wrote: Hello,> We just bought a 06 Prius > <http://www.priusonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=8132#> yesterday and we love > this car <http://www.priusonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=8132#>!> One question is that the battery never really seems go get Fully > charged, you know with all of the bars filled green? It usually has > hovered right around 3/4 charged, one bar below when the status bar > turns green. (I hope that makes sense).> Anyway, there is only 200 miles on her by now - does this sound odd to > anyone? Comments appreciated! Yes. It took me a long time to get my first green bar--and an even longer time to get the second one. I came to think it's probably just as well, because you have some room for more charging as you brake and coast. -- Jean B.
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Bill 15 May 2006 04:20:31 [ permanent link ]
	"Jeff Lloyd" <jbl2002@alltel.net> wrote in message news:deb99$4467b7f6$4528bf7b$8756@ALLTEL.NET... Hello, We just bought a 06 Prius yesterday and we love this car! One question is that the battery never really seems go get Fully charged, you know with all of the bars filled green? It usually has hovered right around 3/4 charged, one bar below when the status bar turns green. (I hope that makes sense). Anyway, there is only 200 miles on her by now - does this sound odd to anyone? Comments appreciated! Sounds like my 2005. I've never seen it 100% charged nor (fortunately) 100% discharged. I hope you like yours as much as I like mine. Just gassed up - had 52.3 mpg on the last tank which is typical for my summer fills.
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B. Peg 15 May 2006 10:13:34 [ permanent link ]
	We just bought a 06 Prius yesterday and we love this car! One question is that the battery never really seems go get Fully charged, you know with all of the bars filled green? It> usually has hovered right around 3/4 charged, one bar below when the status bar turns green. (I hope that makes> sense). Anyway, there is only 200 miles on her by now - does this sound odd to anyone? Comments appreciated! Sounds normal. I've only seen it max out into the green going down a long steep hill. The converse is also very true climbing back up, got her down to one bar in the red! Not really as responsive at one bar in the red. The intervals between full charge and red zone is maybe 40% capacity to 60% charged. Don't worry about it. The computers manage the thing very well. B~
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Mark_digitalВ© 15 May 2006 12:21:35 [ permanent link ]
	"Jeff Lloyd" <jbl2002@alltel.net> wrote in message news:deb99$4467b7f6$4528bf7b$8756@ALLTEL.NET... Hello, We just bought a 06 Prius yesterday and we love this car! One question is that the battery never really seems go get Fully charged, you know with all of the bars filled green? It usually has hovered right around 3/4 charged, one bar below when the status bar turns green. (I hope that makes sense). Anyway, there is only 200 miles on her by now - does this sound odd to anyone? Comments appreciated! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Very rarely will you ever see the batteries fully charged. It's meant to extend the life of them. mark_
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Michael Pardee 15 May 2006 16:40:06 [ permanent link ]
	"Jeff Lloyd" <jbl2002@alltel.net> wrote in message news:deb99$4467b7f6$4528bf7b$8756@ALLTEL.NET... Hello, We just bought a 06 Prius yesterday and we love this car! One question is that the battery never really seems go get Fully charged, you know with all of the bars filled green? It usually has hovered right around 3/4 charged, one bar below when the status bar turns green. (I hope that makes sense). Anyway, there is only 200 miles on her by now - does this sound odd to anyone? Comments appreciated! ************************************************************************* Nothing unusual at all. The battery tends to stay in the middle of the range so there is room (so to speak) for it to work. It will show full charge after a long downhill (about 2000 ft drop for our 2002) but will spend the regenerated charge as assist pretty quickly. That's just the way the hybrid system works. Mike
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Jeff Lloyd 15 May 2006 16:53:55 [ permanent link ]
	Thanks for all of your comments. Much appreciated!! Averaging 48mpg so far. "Jeff Lloyd" <jbl2002@alltel.net> wrote in message news:deb99$4467b7f6$4528bf7b$8756@ALLTEL.NET... Hello, We just bought a 06 Prius yesterday and we love this car! One question is that the battery never really seems go get Fully charged, you know with all of the bars filled green? It usually has hovered right around 3/4 charged, one bar below when the status bar turns green. (I hope that makes sense). Anyway, there is only 200 miles on her by now - does this sound odd to anyone? Comments appreciated!
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Bill 15 May 2006 20:43:49 [ permanent link ]
	"Jeff Lloyd" <jbl2002@alltel.net> wrote in message news:45664$446879e9$4528bf7b$10274@ALLTEL.NET... Thanks for all of your comments. Much appreciated!! Averaging 48mpg so far. That's just great Jeff. Don't know where you live but for me in Minnesota's winter the mileage drops from the low 50's to the high 40's during cold weather. My self-imposed 55 mph speed limit makes the biggest difference. Now, if I could plan my trips so I always had a tail wind I could get it into the 70 mpg range.
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