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CarGuru > Saturn > Saturn vs Pontiac 5 April 2005 05:22:20
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Marx404 21 March 2005 17:49:19
 Just a fun topic: We have a few Pontiac Grand Ams and GP's on our lot, and
quite frankly I am impressed with them. There are many features that are
similar to the ION inside. I like the ION steering better though and had a
good laugh when I learned that the GT GrandAM V6 w/ "ram air" only puts out
170 hp. The ION is 140 and a lighter car, and soon there may be a 170 hp
ecotec engine option which is stil a 4cyl. Being that Saturn and Pontiac
share so much in common, it would be nice to see Saturn have some of
Pontiac's styling. Of course there is the SKY and the Solstice, the Relay
and the Montana and the G6 and the Aura.

According to Consumer Guide, while the Saturns lack apearance wise, Pontiac
lacks in performance, handling and safety. Hmm, like distant GM cousins.

marx404


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Blah Blah 21 March 2005 21:16:51 [ permanent link ]
 In article <sMidnUf-iJdATaPfRV­n-vQ@adelphia.com>, 404@404.com says...> Just a fun topic: We have a few Pontiac Grand Ams and GP's on our lot, and> quite frankly I am impressed with them. There are many features that are> similar to the ION inside. I like the ION steering better though and had a> good laugh when I learned that the GT GrandAM V6 w/ "ram air" only puts out> 170 hp. The ION is 140 and a lighter car, and soon there may be a 170 hp> ecotec engine option which is stil a 4cyl.

You're talking about a 3400 (3.4L) Though it is a older pushrod motor it
makes 205 lb. ft of torque which is more than the current 2.2L Ecotec.
However I would much rather own and work on an GM's Ecotec than any of
GM's 60deg motors. Grand Ams also were being equiped with GM's Ecotecs
in 02. The ram air GA, although heaver, will likely out run the Ion in a
quarter mile. (people buy hp, but drive with torque)

Being that Saturn and Pontiac> share so much in common, it would be nice to see Saturn have some of> Pontiac's styling. Of course there is the SKY and the Solstice, the Relay> and the Montana and the G6 and the Aura.>
According to Consumer Guide, while the Saturns lack apearance wise, Pontiac> lacks in performance, handling and safety. Hmm, like distant GM cousins.>
marx404

Marx you should know better than to make a broad based generalization
like that. You're talking about "one" Pontiac, the cheapest Pontiac, not
the entire fleet. Most Pontiacs will run circles around anything else on
the road if not pace with it.

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Marx404 22 March 2005 19:46:35 [ permanent link ]
 Well like I said, (and no generalization intended, just idle conversation) I
am impressed with the Pontiacs that I have seen. This includes the Grand
Prix, GTA and Grand AM, but again, I was suprised at the lack of handling
and what my expectations of power were from thier engines (of course I am an
old fool who remembers what a REAL GTO or Grand Prix felt like, lol).
However - I absolutely was head over heels with the wide-track GTP, wow,
what a car! Good handling and power.
I guess I really meant to say that in the future I hope to see more of a mix
of Pontiac and Saturn; looks and performance.

marx404



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Marx404 23 March 2005 01:32:09 [ permanent link ]
 for now until the G6 picks up in popularity. btw- speculation has it that
Mr. Lund says that there will be many similarities in the G6 and the new
Aura, one being the 3 part sliding glass roof panels. Sweet, huh?

thanks for the info, looks like Saturn and Pontiac will the the new life
breathers into the GM line for the next few yrs.

marx404


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Hoosier_drifter 23 March 2005 08:30:28 [ permanent link ]
 I tend to agree, to a limited extent, on the relationship between Pontiac
and Saturn products. Both have existed as test beds and development
platforms for GM across the boards. However, I look at the relationship
between Pontiac, Chevrolet, and Saturn as being more like brothers sharing
many common links. But, Saturn seems to be the "redheaded stepchild" of the
lot. To explain that in more detail, Saturn gets less hype and media
attention than the other more established nameplates. Prime example is
Redline, which got limited advertising and attention. But, a little later
comes the Cobalt SS and 'Whoopee!' it's the greatest thing since sliced
bread! It's like Ray Charles releasing a good song, and a few months later
comes Pat Boone with a cover version and full media blowout including a spot
on Ed Sullivan.

Sorry, it just kinda gets to me...or maybe it's a lack fiber in my diet...I
don't know.

Anyway....yeah. On that distant cousin thing with Pontiac and
Saturn...yeah, I can see that.


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Private 25 March 2005 01:35:07 [ permanent link ]
 
GM may kill off brand

Exec says Buick, Pontiac need to meet sales goals or else.

http://www.usatoday­.com/money/autos/200­5-03-23-gm-plan_x.ht­m




On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:49:19 -0500, "marx404" <404@404.com> wrote:
Just a fun topic: We have a few Pontiac Grand Ams and GP's on our lot, and>quite frankly I am impressed with them. There are many features that are>similar to the ION inside. I like the ION steering better though and had a>good laugh when I learned that the GT GrandAM V6 w/ "ram air" only puts out>170 hp. The ION is 140 and a lighter car, and soon there may be a 170 hp>ecotec engine option which is stil a 4cyl. Being that Saturn and Pontiac>share so much in common, it would be nice to see Saturn have some of>Pontiac's styling. Of course there is the SKY and the Solstice, the Relay>and the Montana and the G6 and the Aura.>
According to Consumer Guide, while the Saturns lack apearance wise, Pontiac>lacks in performance, handling and safety. Hmm, like distant GM cousins.>
marx404>

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Chris 26 March 2005 11:19:53 [ permanent link ]
 But why does Pontiac feel the need for all the rippled plastic on their
cars?

Chris

"marx404" <404@404.com> wrote in message
news:sMidnUf-iJdATa­PfRVn-vQ@adelphia.co­m...> Just a fun topic: We have a few Pontiac Grand Ams and GP's on our lot, and> quite frankly I am impressed with them. There are many features that are> similar to the ION inside. I like the ION steering better though and had a> good laugh when I learned that the GT GrandAM V6 w/ "ram air" only puts > out> 170 hp. The ION is 140 and a lighter car, and soon there may be a 170 hp> ecotec engine option which is stil a 4cyl. Being that Saturn and Pontiac> share so much in common, it would be nice to see Saturn have some of> Pontiac's styling. Of course there is the SKY and the Solstice, the Relay> and the Montana and the G6 and the Aura.>
According to Consumer Guide, while the Saturns lack apearance wise, > Pontiac> lacks in performance, handling and safety. Hmm, like distant GM cousins.>
marx404>


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Hoosier_drifter 27 March 2005 03:08:46 [ permanent link ]
 Ribbed for her pleasure?!

Brad


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Blah Blah 27 March 2005 08:32:45 [ permanent link ]
 Far better looking those rippled Mitsubitchi doors.

In article <t281e.9078$S46.614­8@newsread3.news.atl­.earthlink.net>,
cjohnson1379nospam@­earthlink.net says...> But why does Pontiac feel the need for all the rippled plastic on their > cars?>
Chris
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Philip Nasadowski 28 March 2005 09:49:07 [ permanent link ]
 In article <rhc641ponnakg54vha­prtp1thjaesc294j@4ax­.com>,
private <prot907@protonos.o­rg> wrote:
GM may kill off brand>
Exec says Buick, Pontiac need to meet sales goals or else.

*yawn*. Buick's been on death row for years now. Selling cars to old
farts is Toyota's job now anyway...
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Blah Blah 30 March 2005 20:53:29 [ permanent link ]
 In article <Hrz2e.784$44.192@n­ewsread1.news.atl.ea­rthlink.net>,
cjohnson1379nospam@­earthlink.net says...> Or go back to their roots. What if they brought back something like the > Grand National built around the Pontiac GTO but with slightly different > styling. They could add a turbo and make something so awesome people stand > up and take notice.>
Chris>

Now theres an idea! With a turbo charged 3800! I'd buy that.
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