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CarGuru > Saab > Ignition Location 19 April 2005 21:34:45

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Ignition Location
Greglev 17 April 2005 11:57:35
	Why is the ignition on the saab 9000 not located between the seats like on other saabs that are even older (900)? -- Posted using the http://www.autoforumz.com interface, at author's request Articles individually checked for conformance to usenet standards Topic URL: http://www.autoforumz.com/Saab-Ignition-Location-ftopict112482.html Visit Topic URL to contact author (reg. req'd). Report abuse: http://www.autoforumz.com/eform.php?p=528913
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Walt Kienzle 17 April 2005 22:27:10 [ permanent link ]
	Because it is not really a Saab at all, but an exotic Italian car that we normally wouldn't be able to get in the US. Walt 1991 9000T "greglev" <UseLinkToEmail@AutoForumz.com> wrote in message news:1_528913_b8d866c8153b6334dbe538007ec336cc@autoforumz.com...> Why is the ignition on the saab 9000 not located between the seats> like on other saabs that are even older (900)?> -- > Posted using the http://www.autoforumz.com interface, at author's request> Articles individually checked for conformance to usenet standards> Topic URL: > http://www.autoforumz.com/Saab-Ignition-Location-ftopict112482.html> Visit Topic URL to contact author (reg. req'd). Report abuse: > http://www.autoforumz.com/eform.php?p=528913
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Johannes 17 April 2005 23:27:56 [ permanent link ]
	Walt Kienzle wrote:> Because it is not really a Saab at all, but an exotic Italian car that we> normally wouldn't be able to get in the US. How can you say such nonsense?
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Walt Kienzle 17 April 2005 23:36:13 [ permanent link ]
	I can say it with tongue firmly planted in cheek. Do you have a German sense of humor? "Johannes" <johs@spamblock2sizefitter.com> wrote in message news:4262B8B7.7D625F52@spamblock2sizefitter.com...> Walt Kienzle wrote:>> Because it is not really a Saab at all, but an exotic Italian car that we>> normally wouldn't be able to get in the US. > How can you say such nonsense?
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Es 18 April 2005 00:35:17 [ permanent link ]
	Walt Kienzle wrote:> >> Because it is not really a Saab at all, but an exotic Italian car that we> >> normally wouldn't be able to get in the US. so what car is it for reall and is it a good company the drive tran is all reall saab tho
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Es 18 April 2005 00:37:49 [ permanent link ]
	Walt Kienzle wrote:> >> Because it is not really a Saab at all, but an exotic Italian car that we> >> normally wouldn't be able to get in the US. so what car is it for reall thn and is it a good company. the drive trane is reall saab tho
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Pooh Bear 18 April 2005 01:32:38 [ permanent link ]
	greglev wrote: Why is the ignition on the saab 9000 not located between the seats> like on other saabs that are even older (900)? Because the Italians didn't want it there. " The SAAB 9000 is based on a floorpan developed by SAAB and Fiat/Lancia. Cars like the Alfa 164 and the Lancia Thema share the same floorpan, but that's where the similarity ends. SAAB engineers have designed everything else, including a full range of engines and gearboxes. Used car prices are very good value, offering high spec and staggering performance at a very reasonable price. Later models such as the 9000 CSE 2.0 eco feature a low pressure turbo, which offers good all round performance and were introduced in 1992. This model ran up to the end of its production in 1998, when the SAAB 95 was introduced. A CSE will have climate control, cruise control and leather seats as standard on later models. SAAB are well known for their turbocharged cars, and the 2.3 turbo is outstanding. The good points Roomy, comfortable long distance cruiser Unique 5 door hatchback with fold down rear seats. Cannot be beaten on space and performance. Also 4 door saloon (CD model) available High level of standard equipment Well proven and reliable design Seats are probably the best in the industry for comfort, and are particularly of benefit to people with back problems Competitive parts pricing policy " Hmmm @ the parts pricing ! http://www.saabtec.co.uk/guide.php Graham
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Peter Wilkins 18 April 2005 01:36:45 [ permanent link ]
	On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 19:27:56 GMT, Johannes <johs@spamblock2sizefitter.com> wrote : Walt Kienzle wrote:>> Because it is not really a Saab at all, but an exotic Italian car that we>> normally wouldn't be able to get in the US. > How can you say such nonsense? He can say that because it is essentially true. The 9000 was a joint project between a number of car makers, and was not designed by Saab. It appeared with minor trim changes in a number of marques, but fell out of favour with most fairly quickly, only Saab continuing with it until they brought out the 9-5. I have had numerous (about 14 from memory) Saabs since 1973 covering all models except the 9000, which I refused to buy after looking it over, on the grounds that it wasn't really a Saab. -- Regards, Peter Wilkins
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Mh 18 April 2005 02:03:20 [ permanent link ]
	Why is the ignition on the saab 9000 not located between> > the seats like on other saabs that are even older (900)? Because even older SAABs did not have it between the seats either. The 95/96/97 have it on the coloumn, like the 9000. ...not really a Saab at all, but an exotic Italian car A Fiat Croma is not exotic... -- MH '72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96 '91 900i 16 http://go.to/saab96
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Malt_Hound 18 April 2005 04:06:01 [ permanent link ]
	MH wrote:>>>Why is the ignition on the saab 9000 not located between>>>the seats like on other saabs that are even older (900)?> Because even older SAABs did not have it between the seats either. The> 95/96/97 have it on the coloumn, like the 9000.> ...not really a Saab at all, but an exotic Italian car> A Fiat Croma is not exotic... Rare is a relative term. Fiat Cromas are "rare" in the US since they are were not sold here. -Fred W
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Johannes 18 April 2005 15:17:55 [ permanent link ]
	Peter Wilkins wrote:> On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 19:27:56 GMT, Johannes> <johs@spamblock2sizefitter.com> wrote :> Walt Kienzle wrote:> >> Because it is not really a Saab at all, but an exotic Italian car that we> >> normally wouldn't be able to get in the US. > > How can you say such nonsense?> He can say that because it is essentially true.> The 9000 was a joint project between a number of car makers, and was> not designed by Saab. It appeared with minor trim changes in a number> of marques, but fell out of favour with most fairly quickly, only Saab> continuing with it until they brought out the 9-5. Walt Kienzle please note: Not everybody is well informed enough to see through your humour (error No 1). Secondly, Germans have great sense of humour (error No 2). Thirdly, I'm Danish (error No 3) I have had numerous (about 14 from memory) Saabs since 1973 covering> all models except the 9000, which I refused to buy after looking it> over, on the grounds that it wasn't really a Saab. I had a Fiat Croma 1987, the other Type 4 car, so I know the difference between the cars first hand.
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Johannes 18 April 2005 15:42:12 [ permanent link ]
	Pooh Bear wrote:> greglev wrote:> Why is the ignition on the saab 9000 not located between the seats> > like on other saabs that are even older (900)?> Because the Italians didn't want it there.> " The SAAB 9000 is based on a floorpan developed by SAAB and Fiat/Lancia. Cars like the Alfa 164 and the> Lancia Thema share the same floorpan, but that's where the similarity ends. Indeed. Since the interiors are completely different, there was no inherent reason for the Ignition Location location near the steering column. However, if the car was seen as a modern replacement for the 900C model, then it might be that Saab wanted to be more mainstream to appeal to more customers, the same route taken by e.g. Citroen. It makes me speculate that cars are a lot more uniform these days than yesteryears. It is as if the modern car has been developed through a lot of initial experimentation, and the current form is the result of survival of the fittest. There are of course still variations, but the vast majority are transverse 4 Cyl FWD monocoque. SAAB engineers have designed> everything else, including a full range of engines and gearboxes. Used car prices are very good value, offering> high spec and staggering performance at a very reasonable price. Later models such as the 9000 CSE 2.0 eco> feature a low pressure turbo, which offers good all round performance and were introduced in 1992. This model> ran up to the end of its production in 1998, when the SAAB 95 was introduced. A CSE will have climate control,> cruise control and leather seats as standard on later models. SAAB are well known for their turbocharged cars,> and the 2.3 turbo is outstanding.> The good points Roomy, comfortable long distance cruiser Unique 5 door hatchback with fold down rear seats.> Cannot be beaten on space and performance. Also 4 door saloon (CD model) available High level of standard> equipment Well proven and reliable design Seats are probably the best in the industry for comfort, and are> particularly of benefit to people with back problems Competitive parts pricing policy "> Hmmm @ the parts pricing !> http://www.saabtec.co.uk/guide.php> Graham
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Dave Hinz 18 April 2005 18:15:15 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 07:36:45 +1000, Peter Wilkins <wilkinsp_nospam@ozemail.com.au> wrote:> On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 19:27:56 GMT, Johannes><johs@spamblock2sizefitter.com> wrote :> Walt Kienzle wrote:>>> Because it is not really a Saab at all, but an exotic Italian car that we>>> normally wouldn't be able to get in the US. >> How can you say such nonsense?> He can say that because it is essentially true. Bah. The 9000 was a joint project between a number of car makers, and was> not designed by Saab. If you can name the number (3) and participants (Saab, Lancia, and Alfa), then you'd know that the initial design was joint, and then diverged quickly as the 3 makers had profound technical differences of opinion. It appeared with minor trim changes in a number> of marques, but fell out of favour with most fairly quickly, only Saab> continuing with it until they brought out the 9-5. I question your understanding of the situation. I have had numerous (about 14 from memory) Saabs since 1973 covering> all models except the 9000, which I refused to buy after looking it> over, on the grounds that it wasn't really a Saab. People have been saying that about new changes since the 2-stroke was replaced with a Ford V-4. And then an engine shared with an English car. And _then_ the freewheel went away!?!!!1!11!!eleventy!!1!!! And on and on and on.
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Henrik B. 18 April 2005 18:53:23 [ permanent link ]
	"Peter Wilkins" <wilkinsp_nospam@ozemail.com.au> skrev i en meddelelse news:jml561hel64lt4la5efsj3lmcolc2t7s3g@4ax.com... How can you say such nonsense? He can say that because it is essentially true. The 9000 was a joint project between a number of car makers, and was not designed by Saab. It appeared with minor trim changes in a number of marques, but fell out of favour with most fairly quickly, only Saab I think you REALLY need to read up on your Saab history! all models except the 9000, which I refused to buy after looking it over, on the grounds that it wasn't really a Saab. No Saab is, unless you have the original 1946 Saab 92. Saab has always bought technology from other marques. Cheers!
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Dave Hinz 18 April 2005 19:18:43 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:53:23 +0200, Henrik B. <saab@_NOSPAM_tdcadsl.dk> wrote:> No Saab is, unless you have the original 1946 Saab 92. Saab has always > bought technology from other marques. And even UrSaab has an engine from someone else - Auto Union.
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Clive Turnbull 19 April 2005 01:41:20 [ permanent link ]
	Having read all this are there any thoroughbreds left anywhere else except UK. Suppose Ferrari's are Fiats then? Cheers Clive -- C S Turnbull Cheshire UK csturnbull@dsl.pipex,com
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Mh 19 April 2005 03:47:31 [ permanent link ]
	...Suppose Ferrari's are Fiats then? Yes, as of 2004, FIAT owns 57% of Ferrari, Mediobanca owns 15%, Commerzbank AG owns 10%, Lehman Brothers owns 8%, Enzo's son Piero Ferrari owns 10%. -- MH '72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96 '91 900i 16 http://go.to/saab96
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Walt Kienzle 19 April 2005 03:55:54 [ permanent link ]
	I thought that it was time for a bit of levity and I knew that someone else would provide the complete answer (erroneous assumption #1; also see erroneous assumption #3). How can a question be an error? (erroneous assumption #2). I know Germans have a great sense of humor, because I am German. It's just an expression (erroneous assumption #3). I knew you weren't from Germany; I wasn't fooled by your given name - although Denmark is geographically nearby (erroneous assumption #4). Ha! My 4 to your 3. You lost. Humor wins. "Johannes" <johs@spamblock2sizefitter.com> wrote in message news:426397DD.F0FC8C64@spamblock2sizefitter.com...> Peter Wilkins wrote:>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 19:27:56 GMT, Johannes>> <johs@spamblock2sizefitter.com> wrote :>> Walt Kienzle wrote:>> >> Because it is not really a Saab at all, but an exotic Italian car that >> >> we>> >> normally wouldn't be able to get in the US. >> > How can you say such nonsense?>> He can say that because it is essentially true.>> The 9000 was a joint project between a number of car makers, and was>> not designed by Saab. It appeared with minor trim changes in a number>> of marques, but fell out of favour with most fairly quickly, only Saab>> continuing with it until they brought out the 9-5.> Walt Kienzle please note: Not everybody is well informed enough to see> through your humour (error No 1). Secondly, Germans have great sense of> humour (error No 2). Thirdly, I'm Danish (error No 3)> I have had numerous (about 14 from memory) Saabs since 1973 covering>> all models except the 9000, which I refused to buy after looking it>> over, on the grounds that it wasn't really a Saab.> I had a Fiat Croma 1987, the other Type 4 car, so I know the difference> between the cars first hand.
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Clive Turnbull 19 April 2005 04:06:18 [ permanent link ]
	On April 19 2005, you wrote: Yes, as of 2004, FIAT owns 57% of Ferrari,> Mediobanca owns 15%,> Commerzbank AG owns 10%,> Lehman Brothers owns 8%,> Enzo's son Piero Ferrari owns 10%.> -- God! What a mess!! -- C S Turnbull Cheshire UK csturnbull@dsl.pipex,com
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Grunff 19 April 2005 15:33:34 [ permanent link ]
	Johannes wrote: It makes me speculate that cars are a lot more uniform these days than> yesteryears. It is as if the modern car has been developed through a lot> of initial experimentation, and the current form is the result of> survival of the fittest. There are of course still variations, but the> vast majority are transverse 4 Cyl FWD monocoque. More like survival of the most cost effective. I4 isn't a great engine configuration in the first place, and mounting the engine transverse is another compromise. -- Grunff
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Dave Hinz 19 April 2005 18:24:36 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 23:55:54 GMT, Walt Kienzle <wkienzle.nospam@sbcglobal.net> wrote:> I thought that it was time for a bit of levity and I knew that someone else > would provide the complete answer (erroneous assumption #1; also see > erroneous assumption #3). How can a question be an error? (erroneous > assumption #2). I know Germans have a great sense of humor, because I am > German. It's just an expression (erroneous assumption #3). I knew you > weren't from Germany; I wasn't fooled by your given name - although Denmark > is geographically nearby (erroneous assumption #4). Well, the name Johannes is common in the Nordic countries as well...
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Johannes H Andersen 19 April 2005 19:20:45 [ permanent link ]
	Dave Hinz wrote:> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 23:55:54 GMT, Walt Kienzle <wkienzle.nospam@sbcglobal.net> wrote:> > I thought that it was time for a bit of levity and I knew that someone else> > would provide the complete answer (erroneous assumption #1; also see> > erroneous assumption #3). How can a question be an error? (erroneous> > assumption #2). I know Germans have a great sense of humor, because I am> > German. It's just an expression (erroneous assumption #3). I knew you> > weren't from Germany; I wasn't fooled by your given name - although Denmark> > is geographically nearby (erroneous assumption #4).> Well, the name Johannes is common in the Nordic countries as well... And almost the same name as the (ex) Pope: Joannes Paulus II
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Pooh Bear 19 April 2005 21:34:45 [ permanent link ]
	Grunff wrote: Johannes wrote:> It makes me speculate that cars are a lot more uniform these days than> > yesteryears. It is as if the modern car has been developed through a lot> > of initial experimentation, and the current form is the result of> > survival of the fittest. There are of course still variations, but the> > vast majority are transverse 4 Cyl FWD monocoque.> More like survival of the most cost effective. I4 isn't a great engine> configuration in the first place, and mounting the engine transverse is> another compromise. Which presumably explains the continuing existence of the ( predominantly ) 6 cyl in-line and V8 rwd vehicles in the executive sector that can afford the extra cost. Graham
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