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2000 9-3 cluth problem (maybe?)

Username0327 2 April 2005 22:44:28
 I just last week bought a 5 spd 2000 9-3 with 62k miles. It was at the
dealship for a few months and has only been driven rarely in that time.
Each morning when i first take off for the day the car rattles/shakes
breifly. I can avoid the rattle most times by riding the cluck til i
gain some momentum but doesnt seem normal. I can recreate the problem
by taking off as if trying to spin the tires but it doesnt seem as bad.
the tires will not squeal at all which i think is related. The car has
a 30 day 1000 miles complete car warranty, is this something i should
have the dealer look at or anything else i should check? All help is
greatly appriciated

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Ma_twain 2 April 2005 23:54:39 permanent link ]
 username0327 wrote:
I just last week bought a 5 spd 2000 9-3 with 62k miles. It was at the> dealship for a few months and has only been driven rarely in that time.> Each morning when i first take off for the day the car rattles/shakes> breifly. I can avoid the rattle most times by riding the cluck til i> gain some momentum but doesnt seem normal. I can recreate the problem> by taking off as if trying to spin the tires but it doesnt seem as bad.> the tires will not squeal at all which i think is related. The car has> a 30 day 1000 miles complete car warranty, is this something i should> have the dealer look at or anything else i should check? All help is> greatly appriciated>

Riding the clutch to avoid rattling and shaking is not a option. Take
the car back and leave it over night so the dealership can experience
the problem first hand. Do this before the warranty is over.

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Username0327 3 April 2005 06:31:44 permanent link ]
 
ma_twain wrote:
Riding the clutch to avoid rattling and shaking is not a option.
Take> the car back and leave it over night so the dealership can experience
the problem first hand. Do this before the warranty is over.

ok thanks. I appreciate the quick reply.
To be more specific it lasts less then 1 second and seems to be harder
to duplicate in first gear once the car is warmed up. I also have
noticed that the throttle is very slow to respond when i take my foot
off the pedal, when upshifting it will rev at about the same rpm
basically until i let off the clutch into the next gear instead of
slowing down while the clutch is depressed abd foot off the gas, is
this normal or should i also have that clooked at?
Any other typical problems i should have them check for? We go to the
dealership i purchased it from when my girlfriends 97 900 needs work,
they are very honest and it something needs to be replaced i am sure
they will be happy to let me know and resolve it if need be.

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Malt_Hound 3 April 2005 16:11:55 permanent link ]
 username0327 wrote:> ma_twain wrote:>
Riding the clutch to avoid rattling and shaking is not a option.>
Take>
the car back and leave it over night so the dealership can experience>
the problem first hand. Do this before the warranty is over.>
ok thanks. I appreciate the quick reply.> To be more specific it lasts less then 1 second and seems to be harder> to duplicate in first gear once the car is warmed up. I also have> noticed that the throttle is very slow to respond when i take my foot> off the pedal, when upshifting it will rev at about the same rpm> basically until i let off the clutch into the next gear instead of> slowing down while the clutch is depressed and foot off the gas, is> this normal or should i also have that looked at?

What you describe, sad to say, is normal.

As you may be aware, the actual throttle plate is not physically
connected to the accelerator pedal, as in the good old days. It is a
"drive by wire" system, which means your foot pedal operates only a
variable resistor (potentiometer) which then tells the control unit how
much throttle you want. The ECU then operates the throttle plate for
you via an electric servo motor.

SAAB engineers, at some point in time, decided that the throttle should
be released slowly to reduce the emissions that occur in a trailing
throttle condition. This was a very unfortunate decision, IMO, as it
makes the driver feel disconnected from the engine and drive train
during shifting, and seriously hampers the total driving experience.

The reason I am so aware of this is I purchased a 2000 9-3SEC last year.
This was to be my summer fun sporty car. I searched around and could
not find anyone who reported being able to change this characteristic
(ECU reprogram?) so I ended up selling off the car because of it, along
with the tendency the convertibles have for cowl shake. I could have
lived with the cowl shake, or worked to reinforce the chassis, but the
throttle thing just pissed me off too much. In the case of an auto
transmission, it would be a moot point, but part of my definition of
"driving" is clutching and shifting.

Otherwise that car was a beauty. Gotta love that HOT!! It was hard
*not* to spin the tires on acceleration. ;-)­

-Fred W
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Ma_twain 3 April 2005 18:21:41 permanent link ]
 Malt_Hound wrote:
username0327 wrote:>
ma_twain wrote:>>
Riding the clutch to avoid rattling and shaking is not a option.>>
Take>>
the car back and leave it over night so the dealership can experience>>
the problem first hand. Do this before the warranty is over.>>
ok thanks. I appreciate the quick reply.>> To be more specific it lasts less then 1 second and seems to be harder>> to duplicate in first gear once the car is warmed up. I also have>> noticed that the throttle is very slow to respond when i take my foot>> off the pedal, when upshifting it will rev at about the same rpm>> basically until i let off the clutch into the next gear instead of>> slowing down while the clutch is depressed and foot off the gas, is>> this normal or should i also have that looked at?>
What you describe, sad to say, is normal.>
As you may be aware, the actual throttle plate is not physically > connected to the accelerator pedal, as in the good old days. It is a > "drive by wire" system, which means your foot pedal operates only a > variable resistor (potentiometer) which then tells the control unit how > much throttle you want. The ECU then operates the throttle plate for > you via an electric servo motor.>
SAAB engineers, at some point in time, decided that the throttle should > be released slowly to reduce the emissions that occur in a trailing > throttle condition. This was a very unfortunate decision, IMO, as it > makes the driver feel disconnected from the engine and drive train > during shifting, and seriously hampers the total driving experience.>
The reason I am so aware of this is I purchased a 2000 9-3SEC last year. > This was to be my summer fun sporty car. I searched around and could > not find anyone who reported being able to change this characteristic > (ECU reprogram?) so I ended up selling off the car because of it, along > with the tendency the convertibles have for cowl shake. I could have > lived with the cowl shake, or worked to reinforce the chassis, but the > throttle thing just pissed me off too much. In the case of an auto > transmission, it would be a moot point, but part of my definition of > "driving" is clutching and shifting.>
Otherwise that car was a beauty. Gotta love that HOT!! It was hard > *not* to spin the tires on acceleration. ;-)­>
-Fred W

Fred - Thank you for the information. And to think some people prefer
the 9-3 over the Classic. The automatic transmission is known as a
"slush box" because of the same issues. It is sad to think a manual
transmission has the issues. I will stick with my Classic, got to love
the red box and shortshift kit :-)­

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Username0327 5 April 2005 04:05:05 permanent link ]
 fred, thanks for the response, very thourough and very helpful. I guess
i will live with it! I just posted another issue,
http://groups-beta.­google.com/group/alt­.autos.saab/browse_t­hread/thread/37023eb­3809bc691/0e4991470a­6cd382#0e4991470a6cd­382
if you can give any advice on a check engine light.

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