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Rant about my Montana

Doug Mitchell 14 April 2005 02:46:52
 I have a 2000 Montana with 101,000 km. I am the original owner. I go to the
dealer for most of it servicing

September 2004: Replace the PCSolenoid to remedy harsh shifts. ($700 Cdn)

January 2005: ABS sensor in one wheel goes south; whole hub must be
replaced ($700 Cdn)

March 2005: Same symptoms as Sept 2004. This time just change tranny fluid
and filter; they see lots of sediment :(­. Doesn't bode well for the future.
($200)

Three weeks later, today April 2005: check ENGINE light is on :(­

Verdict this time: EGR valve gone and at the same time they notice spark
plug wires corroded, fuel pump and gas filter need to be replaced, ignition
coil and to top it off the water pump is leaking! ($1400).

You can see my frustration with this vehicle. And I already had the head
gasket
problem in the warranty period.

This 'behaviour' by a vehicle just approaching 5 years of age with just over
60000 miles is unacceptable. But really what is one to do?.



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Shiden_kai 14 April 2005 05:58:23 permanent link ]
 Doug Mitchell wrote:
This 'behaviour' by a vehicle just approaching 5 years of age with> just over 60000 miles is unacceptable. But really what is one to do?.

I work in a dealership, and unfortunately this sort of stuff is par for
the course when it comes to these vans. You probably also suffer
from poor heat when it's really cold out, eh?

Ian


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Nospam Clare Nce 14 April 2005 07:04:53 permanent link ]
 On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:46:52 -0400, "Doug Mitchell"
<jmjm@SsYyMmPpAaTtI­iCcOo.ca> wrote:
I have a 2000 Montana with 101,000 km. I am the original owner. I go to the>dealer for most of it servicing>
September 2004: Replace the PCSolenoid to remedy harsh shifts. ($700 Cdn)>
January 2005: ABS sensor in one wheel goes south; whole hub must be>replaced ($700 Cdn)>
March 2005: Same symptoms as Sept 2004. This time just change tranny fluid>and filter; they see lots of sediment :(­. Doesn't bode well for the future.>($200)>
Three weeks later, today April 2005: check ENGINE light is on :(­>
Verdict this time: EGR valve gone and at the same time they notice spark>plug wires corroded, fuel pump and gas filter need to be replaced, ignition>coil and to top it off the water pump is leaking! ($1400).>
You can see my frustration with this vehicle. And I already had the head>gasket>problem­ in the warranty period.>
This 'behaviour' by a vehicle just approaching 5 years of age with just over>60000 miles is unacceptable. But really what is one to do?.>
Keep fixing it and drive it another 200,00KM - it's the only way
you'll get your money out of it, and it's chaper than buying a new
one.

Also consider a different repair shop. I had the bearing go on my '94,
putting the ABS light on - and it cost me #315 canadian including tax,
installed.

The EGR valve went south on mine too - cost me less than $50 for a
used replacement, and about 10 minutes to change it.

I have over 300,000km on mine now - it has the engine replaced at
275000 and the tranny rebuilt at about 285,000

I remember back in the seventies when a 5 year old vehicle was JUNK,
and between 60 and 100 thousand miles you were liable to spend as much
on the car as you paid for it new. They sure don't build 'em like they
used to !!!!! (thankfully).
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Joe 14 April 2005 09:31:37 permanent link ]
 The plug wires, fuel filter, EGR, and tranny fluid are maintenance. It's too
bad about the ABS sensor and whatnot, but really, the repairs have been
minor. You're just paying way too much because you're going to the dealer.

Plus, what fraction of what they are replacing do you think is actually
necessary? You're supposed to tell them when the water pump leaks, not the
other way around.

"Doug Mitchell" <jmjm@SsYyMmPpAaTtI­iCcOo.ca> wrote in message
news:p­jh7e.14741$8i­6.479831@news20.bell­global.com...>I have a 2000 Montana with 101,000 km. I am the original owner. I go to the> dealer for most of it servicing>
September 2004: Replace the PCSolenoid to remedy harsh shifts. ($700 Cdn)>
January 2005: ABS sensor in one wheel goes south; whole hub must be> replaced ($700 Cdn)>
March 2005: Same symptoms as Sept 2004. This time just change tranny fluid> and filter; they see lots of sediment :(­. Doesn't bode well for the > future.> ($200)>
Three weeks later, today April 2005: check ENGINE light is on :(­>
Verdict this time: EGR valve gone and at the same time they notice spark> plug wires corroded, fuel pump and gas filter need to be replaced, > ignition> coil and to top it off the water pump is leaking! ($1400).>
You can see my frustration with this vehicle. And I already had the head> gasket> problem in the warranty period.>
This 'behaviour' by a vehicle just approaching 5 years of age with just > over> 60000 miles is unacceptable. But really what is one to do?.>


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Doug Mitchell 14 April 2005 15:43:27 permanent link ]
 


<nospam.clare.nce@s­ny.der.on.ca> wrote in message
news:kvmr51t9uq45m9­fuldotfde68gldpe9nl6­@4ax.com...> On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:46:52 -0400, "Doug Mitchell"> <jmjm@SsYyMmPpAaTtI­iCcOo.ca> wrote:>
I have a 2000 Montana with 101,000 km. I am the original owner. I go to
dealer for most of it servicing> >
September 2004: Replace the PCSolenoid to remedy harsh shifts. ($700 Cdn)> >
January 2005: ABS sensor in one wheel goes south; whole hub must be> >replaced ($700 Cdn)> >
March 2005: Same symptoms as Sept 2004. This time just change tranny
fluid> >and filter; they see lots of sediment :(­. Doesn't bode well for the
future.> >($200)> >
Three weeks later, today April 2005: check ENGINE light is on :(­> >
Verdict this time: EGR valve gone and at the same time they notice spark> >plug wires corroded, fuel pump and gas filter need to be replaced,
ignition> >coil and to top it off the water pump is leaking! ($1400).> >
You can see my frustration with this vehicle. And I already had the head> >gasket> >problem in the warranty period.> >
This 'behaviour' by a vehicle just approaching 5 years of age with just
over> >60000 miles is unacceptable. But really what is one to do?.> >
Keep fixing it and drive it another 200,00KM - it's the only way> you'll get your money out of it, and it's chaper than buying a new> one.>
Also consider a different repair shop. I had the bearing go on my '94,> putting the ABS light on - and it cost me #315 canadian including tax,> installed.

The EGR valve went south on mine too - cost me less than $50 for a> used replacement, and about 10 minutes to change it.>
I have over 300,000km on mine now - it has the engine replaced at> 275000 and the tranny rebuilt at about 285,000>
I remember back in the seventies when a 5 year old vehicle was JUNK,> and between 60 and 100 thousand miles you were liable to spend as much> on the car as you paid for it new. They sure don't build 'em like they> used to !!!!! (thankfully).

But that hasn't been my personal experience. I guess I have led a sheltered
life re car as I had my 86 Toyota Corolla for 14 years. I currently have a
Eagle Summit Wagon going on 14 years. Neither have given me the grief of
this only 5 year old Pontiac. And the tranny repair done 7 months ago
(replacing the PCS) is only the start. I am confident that tranny will need
rebuilding this summer....and this car has just over 100 000 km. My
expectation is that a 'today' car should, with regular maintenance should
not require a new engine or new tranny or similar "major' failure (we can
decide what that is later) at less than....say 150 000 km.
The only small bright spot is that I have on order a new vehicle from this
same dealer. It has yet to be delivered as of the same time my Montana is in
the service department. Surely my goodwill (coming to this dealer for most
maintenance and buying new vehicles) should be reciprocated? We shall see.



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