Re: RPG - Darlington - Julia (+3) Amended -1 by Russ

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Re: RPG - Darlington - Julia (+3) Amended -1 by Russ
Somebody 8 May 2005 19:31:26
	"Julia" <jpchick83@gmail.com> wrote in message news:2005050800193311272%jpchick83@gmailcom...> 1. Jamie McMurray will pick up at least two more spots in the points.> yep... thanks to the green / white checkered... (+1)> 2. The top finishing Ford will come from outside the current top 5 in points.> nope... those Roush cars are gonna kill me every time... (-1)> 3. At least two rookies will find out why Darlington is called the> track too tough to tame ~ they will finish more than one lap down due> to an accident that they either caused or shared responsibility for.> yep... Kvapil and Leffler... (+1) Leffler is not a ROTY contender. If you've left that prediction open to anyone that has not lost their rookie status, it's got to be a gimmie. I'm sure 2 one-off, part time, occasional, hanger-on cars finish 1 lap down in every single race. There are 4 official rookies this year, Kyle Busch, Kvapil, Stanton Barrett, Eric McClure. One of those finished a lap down. Submitted for peer review. -Russ.
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Wheeler 8 May 2005 20:10:34 [ permanent link ]
	"Somebody" <somebody@nospam.russdoucet.com> wrote in newsopfe.4978$5u4.17632@nnrp1.uunet.ca: "Julia" <jpchick83@gmail.com> wrote in message> news:2005050800193311272%jpchick83@gmailcom...>> 1. Jamie McMurray will pick up at least two more spots in the>> points. >> yep... thanks to the green / white checkered... (+1)>> 2. The top finishing Ford will come from outside the current top 5>> in > points.>> nope... those Roush cars are gonna kill me every time... (-1)>> 3. At least two rookies will find out why Darlington is called the>> track too tough to tame ~ they will finish more than one lap down due>> to an accident that they either caused or shared responsibility for.>> yep... Kvapil and Leffler... (+1)> Leffler is not a ROTY contender. If you've left that prediction open> to anyone that has not lost their rookie status, it's got to be a> gimmie. I'm sure 2 one-off, part time, occasional, hanger-on cars> finish 1 lap down in every single race.> There are 4 official rookies this year, Kyle Busch, Kvapil, Stanton> Barrett, Eric McClure. One of those finished a lap down.> Submitted for peer review. I gotta agree with Russ. Leffler's rookie year was 2001, he ran 30 races in the #01 (was the #42 and has since changed back) owned by Chip Ganassi. When I see "rookie" I automatically take that to mean ROTY contenders. Maybe a rule is in order Oh man, I just sounded like NASCAR. Shoot me. -- Wheeler
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Draft 8 May 2005 20:51:01 [ permanent link ]
	"Somebody" <somebody@nospam.russdoucet.com> wrote in message newsopfe.4978$5u4.17632@nnrp1.uunet.ca...> "Julia" <jpchick83@gmail.com> wrote in message> news:2005050800193311272%jpchick83@gmailcom...>> 1. Jamie McMurray will pick up at least two more spots in the points.>> yep... thanks to the green / white checkered... (+1)>> 2. The top finishing Ford will come from outside the current top 5 in> points.>> nope... those Roush cars are gonna kill me every time... (-1)>> 3. At least two rookies will find out why Darlington is called the>> track too tough to tame ~ they will finish more than one lap down due>> to an accident that they either caused or shared responsibility for.>> yep... Kvapil and Leffler... (+1)> Leffler is not a ROTY contender. If you've left that prediction open to> anyone that has not lost their rookie status, it's got to be a gimmie. > I'm> sure 2 one-off, part time, occasional, hanger-on cars finish 1 lap down in> every single race.> There are 4 official rookies this year, Kyle Busch, Kvapil, Stanton > Barrett,> Eric McClure. One of those finished a lap down.> Submitted for peer review.> -Russ. The original prediction was opened to any rookie contender. Her afterstatement should not be accounted for as part of the prediction because that can work both ways in some instances (positive & negative). Kvapil was in a wreck so that qualifies as one of the two she predicted. Now, I don't know what happened to Barrett to why he was many laps down. I don't recall he being in a wreck. If I am incorrect that will qualify as her second rookie that would apply to the prediction. Busch, however, went a lap down because of a loose wheel I believe in which he went a lap down for the extra pit stop. Busch would not qualify as the second rookie per her prediction. From what I know then, she would not receive the point because only one rookie was involved in a wreck that went a lap down. If anyone knows more about Barrett, let review that aspect. Any takers?
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Martin X. Moleski 9 May 2005 05:17:25 [ permanent link ]
	On Sun, 8 May 2005 09:31:26 CST, "Somebody" <somebody@nospam.russdoucet.com> wrote: 3. At least two rookies will find out why Darlington is called the>> track too tough to tame ~ they will finish more than one lap down due>> to an accident that they either caused or shared responsibility for. yep... Kvapil and Leffler... (+1) Leffler is not a ROTY contender. ... Does the word "rooky" in the prediction only mean "candidate for ROTY"? I think the of the two separately. One group (newbies to the Cup level) includes the other (those who are planning a ROTY campaign). If Leffler had a yalla stripe, I'd say he's a rookie. On those grounds I would grant the point. Which brings us to the other prong of your argument: that there must be two yalla-stripers down a lap in every race. That does seem gimmeish, as you say. Now we pose the gimme-police challenge: shouldn't that have been caught in the pre-race inspection? Didn't I pay you $900 to inspect that RPG? Other people get to revise their gimmes before races--why not me? Are you treating me differently from other drivers on the track? etc., etc. I just flipped a quarter. The quarter says Julia gets the point this time. If she tries to run this scam again, we will shame her mercilessly. :o) Marty
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Michael McGaha 9 May 2005 07:10:02 [ permanent link ]
	"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote in message news:94bs71h8q5dg1e6p5et0ce96qua761ppuv@4ax.com...> Now we pose the gimme-police challenge: shouldn't that have> been caught in the pre-race inspection? Didn't I pay you> $900 to inspect that RPG? Other people get to revise their> gimmes before races--why not me? Are you treating me> differently from other drivers on the track? etc., etc.> Marty> uhm. if the point is awarded because "it wasn't caught before the race" then I want my point back that was disallowed ;) Michael
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Somebody 9 May 2005 12:10:01 [ permanent link ]
	"Draft" <draft@optonline.net> wrote in message news:Yyqfe.32029$RP1.24172@fe10.lga...> "Somebody" <somebody@nospam.russdoucet.com> wrote in message> newsopfe.4978$5u4.17632@nnrp1.uunet.ca...> > "Julia" <jpchick83@gmail.com> wrote in message> > news:2005050800193311272%jpchick83@gmailcom...> >> 1. Jamie McMurray will pick up at least two more spots in the points.> >> yep... thanks to the green / white checkered... (+1)> >> 2. The top finishing Ford will come from outside the current top 5 in> > points.> >> nope... those Roush cars are gonna kill me every time... (-1)> >> 3. At least two rookies will find out why Darlington is called the> >> track too tough to tame ~ they will finish more than one lap down due> >> to an accident that they either caused or shared responsibility for.> >> yep... Kvapil and Leffler... (+1)> > Leffler is not a ROTY contender. If you've left that prediction open to> > anyone that has not lost their rookie status, it's got to be a gimmie.> > I'm> > sure 2 one-off, part time, occasional, hanger-on cars finish 1 lap down every single race.> > There are 4 official rookies this year, Kyle Busch, Kvapil, Stanton> > Barrett,> > Eric McClure. One of those finished a lap down.> > Submitted for peer review.> > -Russ.> The original prediction was opened to any rookie contender. Her> afterstatement should not be accounted for as part of the prediction because> that can work both ways in some instances (positive & negative). Kvapil in a wreck so that qualifies as one of the two she predicted. Now, I don't> know what happened to Barrett to why he was many laps down. I don't recall> he being in a wreck. If I am incorrect that will qualify as her second> rookie that would apply to the prediction. Busch, however, went a lap down> because of a loose wheel I believe in which he went a lap down for the extra> pit stop. Busch would not qualify as the second rookie per her prediction.> From what I know then, she would not receive the point because only one> rookie was involved in a wreck that went a lap down. If anyone knows more> about Barrett, let review that aspect. Any takers? Ok then, if the prediction was 2 or more people in the broad category of rookie not limited to roty contenders will be a lap down, again, that's a sure thing. -Russ.
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Somebody 9 May 2005 12:10:12 [ permanent link ]
	"Wheeler" <jsebright@gmail.com> wrote in message news:Xns965071B368945jw2468@69.28.186.121...> "Somebody" <somebody@nospam.russdoucet.com> wrote in> newsopfe.4978$5u4.17632@nnrp1.uunet.ca:> "Julia" <jpchick83@gmail.com> wrote in message> > news:2005050800193311272%jpchick83@gmailcom...> >> 1. Jamie McMurray will pick up at least two more spots in the> >> points.> >> yep... thanks to the green / white checkered... (+1)> >> 2. The top finishing Ford will come from outside the current top 5> >> in> > points.> >> nope... those Roush cars are gonna kill me every time... (-1)> >> 3. At least two rookies will find out why Darlington is called the> >> track too tough to tame ~ they will finish more than one lap down due> >> to an accident that they either caused or shared responsibility for.> >> yep... Kvapil and Leffler... (+1)> > Leffler is not a ROTY contender. If you've left that prediction open> > to anyone that has not lost their rookie status, it's got to be a> > gimmie. I'm sure 2 one-off, part time, occasional, hanger-on cars> > finish 1 lap down in every single race.> > There are 4 official rookies this year, Kyle Busch, Kvapil, Stanton> > Barrett, Eric McClure. One of those finished a lap down.> > Submitted for peer review.> I gotta agree with Russ.> Leffler's rookie year was 2001, he ran 30 races in the #01 (was the #42> and has since changed back) owned by Chip Ganassi.> When I see "rookie" I automatically take that to mean ROTY contenders.> Maybe a rule is in order> Oh man, I just sounded like NASCAR. Shoot me. Doesn't matter here, I asked for clarification, it didn't happen. But regardless, she can tell us what she meant. I think one case is a clear gimmie, one is a toss up, one is not, but the latter 2 I don't think came true. In the end it's either going to be the clear gimmie, or, one of the cases that did not come true. -Russ.
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Somebody 9 May 2005 15:30:02 [ permanent link ]
	"WildWeasel" <wweasel_24@HooYah.com> wrote in message news:6CednX62stvoJ-PfUSdV9g@ptd.net...> "Martin X. Moleski, SJ" wrote ...> > Which brings us to the other prong of your argument: that> > there must be two yalla-stripers down a lap in every race.> > That does seem gimmeish, as you say.> > Now we pose the gimme-police challenge: shouldn't that have> > been caught in the pre-race inspection? Didn't I pay you> > $900 to inspect that RPG? Other people get to revise their> > gimmes before races--why not me? Are you treating me> > differently from other drivers on the track? etc., etc.> > I just flipped a quarter. The quarter says Julia gets the point> > this time. If she tries to run this scam again, we will shame> > her mercilessly. :o)> > Is there not a gimme rule that says a gimme, if not changed, can neither right nor wrong and therefore is zero? This year gimmies are -1 -RUss.
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Julia 9 May 2005 15:50:05 [ permanent link ]
	On 2005-05-08 15:17:25 -0400, "Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> said: On Sun, 8 May 2005 09:31:26 CST, "Somebody" <somebody@nospam.russdoucet.com>> wrote:> 3. At least two rookies will find out why Darlington is called the>>> track too tough to tame ~ they will finish more than one lap down due>>> to an accident that they either caused or shared responsibility for.> yep... Kvapil and Leffler... (+1)> Leffler is not a ROTY contender. ...> Does the word "rooky" in the prediction only mean "candidate> for ROTY"?> I think the of the two separately. One group (newbies to the Cup > level) includes the other (those who are planning> a ROTY campaign).> If Leffler had a yalla stripe, I'd say he's a rookie. On those> grounds I would grant the point.> Which brings us to the other prong of your argument: that> there must be two yalla-stripers down a lap in every race.> That does seem gimmeish, as you say.> Now we pose the gimme-police challenge: shouldn't that have> been caught in the pre-race inspection? Didn't I pay you> $900 to inspect that RPG? Other people get to revise their> gimmes before races--why not me? Are you treating me> differently from other drivers on the track? etc., etc.> I just flipped a quarter. The quarter says Julia gets the point> this time. If she tries to run this scam again, we will shame> her mercilessly. :o)> Marty well, thanks Marty, but I'm willing to give this one up. I didn't post my predictions in nearly enough time to question it ~ and that one wasn't nearly as specific as it should have been.... I'll try to refrain from running that scam again (at least not without some minor modifications)... ;) -- "crazy as I may make my way through this world, it's for no one but me to say which direction I shall turn ~ I am the captain of this ship".... $1 to Dave Matthews from "Captain" http://www.nancies.org/music/lyrics/captain/
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Somebody 9 May 2005 16:45:22 [ permanent link ]
	"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote in message news:94bs71h8q5dg1e6p5et0ce96qua761ppuv@4ax.com...> On Sun, 8 May 2005 09:31:26 CST, "Somebody" <somebody@nospam.russdoucet.com>> wrote:> 3. At least two rookies will find out why Darlington is called the> >> track too tough to tame ~ they will finish more than one lap down due> >> to an accident that they either caused or shared responsibility for.> yep... Kvapil and Leffler... (+1)> Leffler is not a ROTY contender. ...> Does the word "rooky" in the prediction only mean "candidate> for ROTY"?> I think the of the two separately. One group (newbies to> the Cup level) includes the other (those who are planning> a ROTY campaign).> If Leffler had a yalla stripe, I'd say he's a rookie. On those> grounds I would grant the point.> Which brings us to the other prong of your argument: that> there must be two yalla-stripers down a lap in every race.> That does seem gimmeish, as you say.> Now we pose the gimme-police challenge: shouldn't that have> been caught in the pre-race inspection? Didn't I pay you> $900 to inspect that RPG? Other people get to revise their> gimmes before races--why not me? Are you treating me> differently from other drivers on the track? etc., etc.> I just flipped a quarter. The quarter says Julia gets the point> this time. If she tries to run this scam again, we will shame> her mercilessly. :o)> Marty I tried to clarify it before, asking about it on Friday. But I think gimmies are gimmies whether caught before or after. -Russ.
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WildWeasel 9 May 2005 17:00:30 [ permanent link ]
	"Somebody" wrote...> "WildWeasel" wrote ...>> Is there not a gimme rule that says a gimme, if not changed, can neither>> be right nor wrong and therefore is zero?> This year gimmies are -1> GREAT! First "the chase", then the southern 500, now negative gimmies ... <sigh> ... "progress" ... <g>
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WildWeasel 9 May 2005 18:40:02 [ permanent link ]
	<malonekath> wrote ...> Martin X. Moleski, SJ wrote:> Now we pose the gimme-police challenge: shouldn't that have>> been caught in the pre-race inspection? Didn't I pay you>> $900 to inspect that RPG? Other people get to revise their>> gimmes before races--why not me? Are you treating me>> differently from other drivers on the track? etc., etc.> "The onus is on the [RPG] entrant to present predictions that are legal> at all times."> > Just because we take your $900 and inspect your picks does not make your picks legal. It DOES make you $900 poorer and violated, er inspected. All participants will be treated equally - except in the following rare and extraordinary circumstances: 1. You are leading 2. You aren't leading but should be 3. Mom always liked you more 4. You need to be "taken down a peg" 5. Your sponsor secretly asks us to because you're not getting any attention by racing, so a little controversy will get them some air time. 6. We feel like it 7. We make a mistake (in this case please refer to #6 as our official position). 8. Any other time we feel like it will be in the best interest of RPG and its entertainment value.
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Guest 9 May 2005 18:58:14 [ permanent link ]
	Martin X. Moleski, SJ wrote: Now we pose the gimme-police challenge: shouldn't that have> been caught in the pre-race inspection? Didn't I pay you> $900 to inspect that RPG? Other people get to revise their> gimmes before races--why not me? Are you treating me> differently from other drivers on the track? etc., etc. "The onus is on the [RPG] entrant to present predictions that are legal at all times." Katharine
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Julia 9 May 2005 23:10:02 [ permanent link ]
	On 2005-05-09 04:10:12 -0400, "Somebody" <somebody@nospam.russdoucet.com> said: "Wheeler" <jsebright@gmail.com> wrote in message> news:Xns965071B368945jw2468@69.28.186.121...>> "Somebody" <somebody@nospam.russdoucet.com> wrote in>> newsopfe.4978$5u4.17632@nnrp1.uunet.ca:>> "Julia" <jpchick83@gmail.com> wrote in message>>> news:2005050800193311272%jpchick83@gmailcom...>>>> 1. Jamie McMurray will pick up at least two more spots in the>>>> points.>>>> yep... thanks to the green / white checkered... (+1)>>>> 2. The top finishing Ford will come from outside the current top 5>>>> in>>> points.>>>> nope... those Roush cars are gonna kill me every time... (-1)>>>> 3. At least two rookies will find out why Darlington is called the>>>> track too tough to tame ~ they will finish more than one lap down due>>>> to an accident that they either caused or shared responsibility for.>>>> yep... Kvapil and Leffler... (+1)>>> Leffler is not a ROTY contender. If you've left that prediction open>>> to anyone that has not lost their rookie status, it's got to be a>>> gimmie. I'm sure 2 one-off, part time, occasional, hanger-on cars>>> finish 1 lap down in every single race.>>> There are 4 official rookies this year, Kyle Busch, Kvapil, Stanton>>> Barrett, Eric McClure. One of those finished a lap down.>>> Submitted for peer review.>> I gotta agree with Russ.>> Leffler's rookie year was 2001, he ran 30 races in the #01 (was the #42>> and has since changed back) owned by Chip Ganassi.>> When I see "rookie" I automatically take that to mean ROTY contenders.>> Maybe a rule is in order>> Oh man, I just sounded like NASCAR. Shoot me.> Doesn't matter here, I asked for clarification, it didn't happen. But> regardless, she can tell us what she meant. I think one case is a clear> gimmie, one is a toss up, one is not, but the latter 2 I don't think came> true. In the end it's either going to be the clear gimmie, or, one of the> cases that did not come true.> -Russ. agreed.... the prediction is a -1 for sure, as it probably was a gimmie no matter how you wanna slice it. -- ..."You don't need to prove a thing to me ~ just give me faith, make me believe"... $1 to Dave Matthews ~ from "Save Me" http://www.nancies.org/music/lyrics/saveme/
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John McCoy 10 May 2005 03:40:02 [ permanent link ]
	Julia <jpchick83@gmail.com> wrote in news:2005050915091311272%jpchick83@gmailcom: 3. At least two rookies will find out why Darlington is called>>>>> the track too tough to tame ~ they will finish more than one lap>>>>> down due to an accident that they either caused or shared>>>>> responsibility for. agreed.... the prediction is a -1 for sure, as it probably was a> gimmie no matter how you wanna slice it. Wait - you're loosing me here. How can a prediction that didn't come true be a gimme? And assuming that #3 above is the prediction in question, it certainly doesn't sound like a gimme, even if you expand "rookie" to mean "drivers who have not competed an entire season". Even if you count Edwards and Hamilton & a couple of the part-timers there's only 6 or 7 rookies, so predicting that out of that small number 2 will cause a wreck _and_ end up 2+ laps down because of it sounds like a reasonably unlikely event. (for the record, I agree that Leffler is not a rookie) John
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John McCoy 10 May 2005 04:42:46 [ permanent link ]
	"Somebody" <somebody@nospam.russdoucet.com> wrote in news:jTEfe.5126$5u4.17964@nnrp1.uunet.ca: "Julia" <jpchick83@gmail.com> wrote in message>> > news:2005050800193311272%jpchick83@gmailcom... 3. At least two rookies will find out why Darlington is called>> >> the track too tough to tame ~ they will finish more than one lap>> >> down due to an accident that they either caused or shared>> >> responsibility for. Ok then, if the prediction was 2 or more people in the broad category> of rookie not limited to roty contenders will be a lap down, again,> that's a sure thing. The prediction was 2+ laps down ("more than one"), due to an accident (i.e. not due to being lapped just because they're slow) which they caused (i.e. not because they ran into someone else's wreck that happened in front of them). That's a compound enough set of circumstances that I don't think it's a sure thing, even at Darlington. John
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Re: RPG - Darlington - Julia (+3) Amended -1 by Russ

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