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Crusader 12 April 2005 04:14:30
	The writer of the A.P. article on Ndotcom states: 'JG might be the new king of short-track racing' In my local newspaper The South Bend Tribune, they usually print whatever the A.P. sends out. In this case, Hank Kurz Jr is the writer but usually it's Mike Harris. I have no idea who these 2 writers are or what their stockcarracin reporting credentials are. I can't believe any newspaper would print their error-prone articles. Be that as it may, it gives me an opportunity to share the facts of IF Jeff Gordon is or is not The King of Shortrax. JG has 14 Shortrax Wins in 82 attempts, a 17.1 winning percentage. The supposed King of Shortrax Rusty Wallace is 25-156 16.0%. Kurt Busch is 5-27 18.5% Stewart is 5-38 13.2% DEJ is 3-33 09.1%. The rest of the active drivers since 1993 are below 9%. Shortrax Continued: DE was 27-179 15.1%. Of The King's 140 Wins from 1960-1971, 86 were less than 200 miles in length. I have read that Buck Baker &/or Curtis Turner were the real shortrax kings, but that was a different era. When any of 30 teams can win any race in '05, i declare Jeff Gordon The King of The Shortrax. There isn't any argument that JG is the All-Time King of RoadCourses with 8W in 24 Races. RR,RW,RP,BA all have 6 in many more starts. How does JG compare on SuperSpeedways (2.0 mile or greater)? 1.JG 21-118 17.8% 2.DEJ 7-54 13.0 3.Bif 3-24 12.5 4.DE 18-190 09.5 5.JJ 3-33 09.1 Newman-08.6, Elliott-08.5, DJarrett-08.5. The last category is 'Intermediate-sized' trax from 1.0 to 1.54 mile. JG is 28-183 15.3% JJ is 11-58 19.0 RN is 7-61 11.5 DE is 30-260 11.5 Carl Edwards is 1fer9 11.1%. Cru-conclusion-Take a guess ;)
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Somebody 12 April 2005 04:26:41 [ permanent link ]
	"Crusader" <cru32@comcast.net> wrote in message news:3c0emaF6jrphdU1@individual.net...> The writer of the A.P. article on Ndotcom states:> Be that as it may, it gives me an opportunity to share the facts of> IF Jeff Gordon is or is not The King of Shortrax. <snippages follow>> JG has 14 Shortrax Wins in 82 attempts, a 17.1 winning percentage.> How does JG compare on SuperSpeedways (2.0 mile or greater)?> 1.JG 21-118 17.8%> The last category is 'Intermediate-sized' trax from 1.0 to 1.54 mile.> JG is 28-183 15.3%>> Cru-conclusion-Take a guess ;) Can't wait to see what the lake makes out of that one. -Russ.
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Steve Scott 12 April 2005 07:50:01 [ permanent link ]
	Cru, you have waaaayyyy too much time on your hands. It'll be more interesting as JG hits somewhere near the starts some of the older drivers have and as some of the newer drivers start equaling his total starts after he retires. My guess is in 25-30 years you'll find he's probably one of the top five in each of the categories. What's he in total wins now? 6th I think. RP, DP, DE, DW and BA are ahead of him in total wins. On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 18:14:30 CST, "Crusader" <cru32@comcast.net> wrote: The writer of the A.P. article on Ndotcom states:>'JG might be the new king of short-track racing'> In my local newspaper The South Bend Tribune, they usually print>whatever the A.P. sends out. In this case, Hank Kurz Jr is the>writer but usually it's Mike Harris. I have no idea who these>2 writers are or what their stockcarracin reporting credentials are.>I can't believe any newspaper would print their error-prone articles.> Be that as it may, it gives me an opportunity to share the facts of>IF Jeff Gordon is or is not The King of Shortrax.> JG has 14 Shortrax Wins in 82 attempts, a 17.1 winning percentage.>The supposed King of Shortrax Rusty Wallace is 25-156 16.0%.>Kurt Busch is 5-27 18.5%>Stewart is 5-38 13.2%>DEJ is 3-33 09.1%.>The rest of the active drivers since 1993 are below 9%.> Shortrax Continued:>DE was 27-179 15.1%.>Of The King's 140 Wins from 1960-1971, 86 were less than 200 miles>in length. I have read that Buck Baker &/or Curtis Turner were>the real shortrax kings, but that was a different era.> When any of 30 teams can win any race in '05, i declare Jeff Gordon>The King of The Shortrax.> There isn't any argument that JG is the All-Time King of RoadCourses>with 8W in 24 Races. RR,RW,RP,BA all have 6 in many more starts.> How does JG compare on SuperSpeedways (2.0 mile or greater)?>1.JG 21-118 17.8%>2.DEJ 7-54 13.0>3.Bif 3-24 12.5>4.DE 18-190 09.5>5.JJ 3-33 09.1>Newman-08.6, Elliott-08.5, DJarrett-08.5.> The last category is 'Intermediate-sized' trax from 1.0 to 1.54 mile.>JG is 28-183 15.3%>JJ is 11-58 19.0>RN is 7-61 11.5>DE is 30-260 11.5>Carl Edwards is 1fer9 11.1%.> Cru-conclusion-Take a guess ;)> -- Self, self, self, self, self!' -- The Cat
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Crusader 13 April 2005 01:59:10 [ permanent link ]
	SS, u fergot Cale Yarborough with 83 Wins, so JG is 7th, 5 to go to tie for 6th-u know who ;) Most of my stats have a beginning threshold of 100 starts, to be somewhat comparable. Yore conclusion of generally the more starts a driver has, the less effect of big early stats. Or something like that? -- Crusader "Steve Scott" <sscott1@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message news:8egm515f3bd30v9mdgm212283idhjb4kmk@4ax.com...> Cru, you have waaaayyyy too much time on your hands. > It'll be more interesting as JG hits somewhere near the starts some of> the older drivers have and as some of the newer drivers start equaling> his total starts after he retires.> My guess is in 25-30 years you'll find he's probably one of the top> five in each of the categories. What's he in total wins now? 6th I> think. RP, DP, DE, DW and BA are ahead of him in total wins.> On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 18:14:30 CST, "Crusader" <cru32@comcast.net>> wrote:> The writer of the A.P. article on Ndotcom states:> >'JG might be the new king of short-track racing'> > In my local newspaper The South Bend Tribune, they usually print> >whatever the A.P. sends out. In this case, Hank Kurz Jr is the> >writer but usually it's Mike Harris. I have no idea who these> >2 writers are or what their stockcarracin reporting credentials are.> >I can't believe any newspaper would print their error-prone articles.> > Be that as it may, it gives me an opportunity to share the facts of> >IF Jeff Gordon is or is not The King of Shortrax.> > JG has 14 Shortrax Wins in 82 attempts, a 17.1 winning percentage.> >The supposed King of Shortrax Rusty Wallace is 25-156 16.0%.> >Kurt Busch is 5-27 18.5%> >Stewart is 5-38 13.2%> >DEJ is 3-33 09.1%.> >The rest of the active drivers since 1993 are below 9%.> > Shortrax Continued:> >DE was 27-179 15.1%.> >Of The King's 140 Wins from 1960-1971, 86 were less than 200 miles> >in length. I have read that Buck Baker &/or Curtis Turner were> >the real shortrax kings, but that was a different era.> > When any of 30 teams can win any race in '05, i declare Jeff Gordon> >The King of The Shortrax.> > There isn't any argument that JG is the All-Time King of RoadCourses> >with 8W in 24 Races. RR,RW,RP,BA all have 6 in many more starts.> > How does JG compare on SuperSpeedways (2.0 mile or greater)?> >1.JG 21-118 17.8%> >2.DEJ 7-54 13.0> >3.Bif 3-24 12.5> >4.DE 18-190 09.5> >5.JJ 3-33 09.1> >Newman-08.6, Elliott-08.5, DJarrett-08.5.> > The last category is 'Intermediate-sized' trax from 1.0 to 1.54 mile.> >JG is 28-183 15.3%> >JJ is 11-58 19.0> >RN is 7-61 11.5> >DE is 30-260 11.5> >Carl Edwards is 1fer9 11.1%.> > Cru-conclusion-Take a guess ;)> > -- > Self, self, self, self, self!' -- The Cat>
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Steve Scott 13 April 2005 05:39:02 [ permanent link ]
	That's right. I was going from memory. Ever since I became a CRS sufferer my memory isn't as sharp as it used to be. Both good early stats and bad late stats although I think the trend in the future will be for more drivers to retire at an early age making it less likely their stats will include much from their forties. Take RP for example. From 78 on 444 starts and 15 wins. Prior to that he had a 25% winning percentage. After than less 17%. Not trying to belittle his accomplishment. Just pointing out the last 15 years took their toll on his win percentage. Prior to that 740 starts and 185 wins. On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:59:10 CST, "Crusader" <cru32@comcast.net> wrote: SS, u fergot Cale Yarborough with 83 Wins, so JG is 7th,>5 to go to tie for 6th-u know who ;)>Most of my stats have a beginning threshold of 100 starts,>to be somewhat comparable. Yore conclusion of generally>the more starts a driver has, the less effect of big early stats.>Or something like that? -- Self, self, self, self, self!' -- The Cat
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