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CarGuru > Nascar > Boos And Yeas 15 April 2005 18:13:10
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Crusader 11 April 2005 22:30:08
 Did my ears deceive me, or were there more cheers than non-cheers
for Jeff Gordon?
I know the American sound of non-cheers is BOO.
Unlike the European whistling.

But is YEA (sp?) the American sound of cheering?
Or is Yea mixed in with applause, thus less loud than Boo?
There may even be a few Hoorays, but that sounds as
old-fashioned as the American Civil War & before--Huzzah!

Have Southerners ever cheered Jeff Gordon since the end of '95?

This Cru-query inspired by Monte Dutton at:
http://www.gastonga­zette.com/Portal/ASP­/sports/nascar/nasca­rDisplay.asp?ID=1424­


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Jim 12 April 2005 00:38:29 [ permanent link ]
 Lots of folks still don't like JG but have mellowed a little as they do like
JJ. They also do not like KB at all and I am sure some of the Yea's were
because he came through the fight for that space and KB didn't. <G> Even I
gave him a thumbs up for that!
Jim


"Crusader" <cru32@comcast.net>­ wrote in message
news:3bvtq6F6kb3s6U­1@individual.net...>­ Did my ears deceive me, or were there more cheers than non-cheers> for Jeff Gordon?> I know the American sound of non-cheers is BOO.> Unlike the European whistling.>
But is YEA (sp?) the American sound of cheering?> Or is Yea mixed in with applause, thus less loud than Boo?> There may even be a few Hoorays, but that sounds as> old-fashioned as the American Civil War & before--Huzzah!>
Have Southerners ever cheered Jeff Gordon since the end of '95?>
This Cru-query inspired by Monte Dutton at:>
http://www.gastonga­zette.com/Portal/ASP­/sports/nascar/nasca­rDisplay.asp?ID=1424­>
-- > Crusader>

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Steve Scott 12 April 2005 02:22:58 [ permanent link ]
 I noticed that there seemed to be at least as any cheers as jeers.
Struck me as odd.

On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:26:31 CST, "Crusader" <cru32@comcast.net>­
wrote:
Did my ears deceive me, or were there more cheers than non-cheers>for Jeff Gordon?>I know the American sound of non-cheers is BOO.>Unlike the European whistling.>
But is YEA (sp?) the American sound of cheering?>Or is Yea mixed in with applause, thus less loud than Boo?>There may even be a few Hoorays, but that sounds as>old-fashioned as the American Civil War & before--Huzzah!>
Have Southerners ever cheered Jeff Gordon since the end of '95?>
This Cru-query inspired by Monte Dutton at:>http://www.gast­ongazette.com/Portal­/ASP/sports/nascar/n­ascarDisplay.asp?ID=­1424


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Generic 12 April 2005 05:20:08 [ permanent link ]
 "Crusader" <cru32@comcast.net>­ wrote in message
news:3bvtq6F6kb3s6U­1@individual.net...>­ Did my ears deceive me, or were there more cheers than non-cheers> for Jeff Gordon?

Nope, and no comparison to his "freeze the field" win with all the trash on
the track. It was such an impressive performance that even the haters had to
acknowledge his skill. I also read a couple editorials to that effect today.
Now if only that team wasn't as erratic as a drunk...

-John


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Retiredff 14 April 2005 01:24:21 [ permanent link ]
 

Alex Holden wrote:> I think that what happened at Martinsville went beyond the partisan,> as true fans of racing saw a display of supreme skill from Jeff> Gordon. Heck, I may not like some elements of how the man races, but> I'm not going to sit here and boo a man after the performance that he> put in.

Supreme skill would have JG getting his three laps by racing, not as a gift
from NASCAR.

I can not stand NASCAR's 'give a lap back to the first man down' rule, and
JG is one of many I root for. All he did was put himself in a position to
accept a gift, three times.

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WildWeasel 14 April 2005 01:53:49 [ permanent link ]
 
"Retiredff" wrote...>
Alex Holden wrote:>> I think that what happened at Martinsville went beyond the partisan,>> as true fans of racing saw a display of supreme skill from Jeff>> Gordon. Heck, I may not like some elements of how the man races, but>> I'm not going to sit here and boo a man after the performance that he>> put in.>
Supreme skill would have JG getting his three laps by racing, not as a gift > from NASCAR.>
I can not stand NASCAR's 'give a lap back to the first man down' rule, and JG > is one of many I root for. All he did was put himself in a position to accept > a gift, three times.

Hey there, Chief, he only got 1 lucky dog lap back. The other 2 he earned the
old fashioned way - he passed the leader.

and I don't like the LD or 'no racing to the yellow' either.


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Steve Scott 14 April 2005 01:56:09 [ permanent link ]
 Actually, JG drove his way back on 2 of the 3 laps. His crew got him
out of the pits first twice in a row so he could restart next to the
leader. He passed the leader both times to get his lap back.

IMO, they could have easily done that again, but why beat the
equipment up any more than necessary? He was fifth in the inside lane
of the third restart. He then had to pass the 4 lap down cars to be
in position for the LD. It was a long green flag run and he was
passing cars not long after the leader did. The leader had lapped
someone (KP, I think) and the caution came out before JG passed them.
The next time JG kept closer to the leader to get the LD.

So he worked at and got 1 LD for 1 of his laps. He and his team
REALLY worked for the other 2.

On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:24:21 CST, "Retiredff" <lbatter@bogfeet.ne­t>
wrote:
Alex Holden wrote:>> I think that what happened at Martinsville went beyond the partisan,>> as true fans of racing saw a display of supreme skill from Jeff>> Gordon. Heck, I may not like some elements of how the man races, but>> I'm not going to sit here and boo a man after the performance that he>> put in.>
Supreme skill would have JG getting his three laps by racing, not as a gift >from NASCAR.>
I can not stand NASCAR's 'give a lap back to the first man down' rule, and >JG is one of many I root for. All he did was put himself in a position to >accept a gift, three times.


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Crusader 14 April 2005 03:57:00 [ permanent link ]
 "Steve Scott" <sscott1@twcny.rr.c­om> wrote in message
news:861r515sk8f82c­b1sqgs59oct8qnlb898e­@4ax.com...> Actually, JG drove his way back on 2 of the 3 laps. His crew got him> out of the pits first twice in a row so he could restart next to the> leader. He passed the leader both times to get his lap back.

And drove away from the leader each time.
IMO, they could have easily done that again, but why beat the> equipment up any more than necessary? He was fifth in the inside lane> of the third restart. He then had to pass the 4 lap down cars to be> in position for the LD. It was a long green flag run and he was> passing cars not long after the leader did. The leader had lapped> someone (KP, I think) and the caution came out before JG passed them.> The next time JG kept closer to the leader to get the LD.

Since i follow JG's adventures more than most other drivers,
i recall a time at a Plate Track where he got so close so many times
to getting back on the lead lap, but no one would draft with him.
I remember Mikey as leader not giving him a chance to get in line.
These kinds of reality continually amaze me how JG does so
extaordinarily well when the world is against him.
So he worked at and got 1 LD for 1 of his laps. He and his team> REALLY worked for the other 2.

That's the way i saw it & believe it to be a somewhat historic event.
Anyone want to research 'the last time' (BE won from 3 laps down)?

I still want NA$CAR to make another rule that the 'leaders'
in the lap down line, must be only 1 lap down, not 64 like KH.

BTW, 4th place Ryan Newman & 8th place Jimmie Johnson
received / earned according to NA$CAR rules TWO Lucky Dogs each!
CRU
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:24:21 CST, "Retiredff" <lbatter@bogfeet.ne­t>> wrote:>
Alex Holden wrote:> >> I think that what happened at Martinsville went beyond the partisan,> >> as true fans of racing saw a display of supreme skill from Jeff> >> Gordon. Heck, I may not like some elements of how the man races, but> >> I'm not going to sit here and boo a man after the performance that he> >> put in.> >
Supreme skill would have JG getting his three laps by racing, not as a gift> >from NASCAR.> >
I can not stand NASCAR's 'give a lap back to the first man down' rule, and> >JG is one of many I root for. All he did was put himself in a position to> >accept a gift, three times.>
-- > Death before dishonor, but neither> before breakfast.>


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Martin X. Moleski 14 April 2005 04:43:36 [ permanent link ]
 On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:56:09 CST, Steve Scott <sscott1@twcny.rr.c­om> wrote:
... So he worked at and got 1 LD for 1 of his laps. He and his team>REALLY worked for the other 2.

I'd say he and his crew deserve credit for running a great race.
They overcame difficulties that might have sunk other teams.

And it was great that they won again a year after the plane
crash. A very fitting tribute.

Marty

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Michael McGaha 14 April 2005 18:40:02 [ permanent link ]
 
"WildWeasel" <wweasel_24@HooYah.­com> wrote in message
news:6-mdndv6V4O25M­PfUSdV9g@ptd.net...>­
"Michael McGaha" wrote ...>>I don't think anyone more than 1 lap down should be allowed to receive the >>free pass.>>
They don't, do they? The first guy a lap down moves up, we agree. Does > the first guy 2 laps down (and 3 laps, and 4 ...) move up 1 too? I don't > think so. What if there is no 1 lap down car? Does the first car 2 laps > down move up to 1 lap down?

That's what I meant. if there is no car 1 lap down, there should be no free
pass, even if there are 20 cars 2 laps down.

Michael

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Michael McGaha 14 April 2005 18:56:48 [ permanent link ]
 I don't think anyone more than 1 lap down should be allowed to receive the
free pass.

Michael

"Retiredff" <lbatter@bogfeet.ne­t> wrote in message
news:Y5f7e.5998$An2­.1550@newsread2.news­.pas.earthlink.net..­.>
Alex Holden wrote:>> I think that what happened at Martinsville went beyond the partisan,>> as true fans of racing saw a display of supreme skill from Jeff>> Gordon. Heck, I may not like some elements of how the man races, but>> I'm not going to sit here and boo a man after the performance that he>> put in.>
Supreme skill would have JG getting his three laps by racing, not as a > gift from NASCAR.>
I can not stand NASCAR's 'give a lap back to the first man down' rule, and > JG is one of many I root for. All he did was put himself in a position to > accept a gift, three times.

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Michael McGaha 14 April 2005 19:04:22 [ permanent link ]
 
"Generic" <generic@scientist.­com> wrote in message
news:425dc017$0$639­3$a32e20b9@news.nntp­servers.com...>
"Crusader" <cru32@comcast.net>­ wrote in message>> I remember Mikey as leader not giving him a chance to get in line.

If I'm not totally confused, there's nothing unusual in not letting someone
get in line. It's part of the idea of racing :)­
These kinds of reality continually amaze me how JG does so>> extaordinarily well when the world is against him.

First I don't think "the world is against him." Even if it was, the world
isn't what he has to race against... the other 42 drivers are the ones that
count. If you listen to them being interviewed, they seem to have respect
for JG. It shouldn't amaze you that a driver does well while the crowd
boos... a boo won't slow a car down.
JJ and the other team drivers are not against him. That's one point of> having a team.>
-John>

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WildWeasel 14 April 2005 19:08:18 [ permanent link ]
 
"Michael McGaha" wrote ...>I don't think anyone more than 1 lap down should be allowed to receive the free >pass.>

They don't, do they? The first guy a lap down moves up, we agree. Does the
first guy 2 laps down (and 3 laps, and 4 ...) move up 1 too? I don't think so.
What if there is no 1 lap down car? Does the first car 2 laps down move up to 1
lap down?

(I also don't like the whole LD thing.)

-- Jeff


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Retiredff 14 April 2005 19:11:20 [ permanent link ]
 

WildWeasel wrote:> "Retiredff" wrote...>>
Alex Holden wrote:>>> I think that what happened at Martinsville went beyond the partisan,>>> as true fans of racing saw a display of supreme skill from Jeff>>> Gordon.
Supreme skill would have JG getting his three laps by racing, not as>> a gift from NASCAR.>>
I can not stand NASCAR's 'give a lap back to the first man down'>> rule, and JG is one of many I root for. All he did was put himself>> in a position to accept a gift, three times.>
Hey there, Chief, he only got 1 lucky dog lap back. The other 2 he> earned the old fashioned way - he passed the leader.

Imagine my surprise when I saw my post. I meant to save it until I could
check on how he got his laps back.

Bottom line, it wasn't just JG. It was JG and the work of the entire team.
NASCAR has long said it is a team sport, and it takes all of them working
together to have success.

That is why a four tire stop involves 40 lug nuts, not eight 'whatever you
call them' large nuts. That is why there is a jack man, and not the type of
system as in F1, CART, etc.

A mistake on any one members part, especially late in the race, and JG might
not have been in Victory Lane.

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WildWeasel 14 April 2005 19:21:57 [ permanent link ]
 
"Michael McGaha" wrote ...>
First I don't think "the world is against him." Even if it was, the world > isn't what he has to race against... the other 42 drivers are the ones that > count. If you listen to them being interviewed, they seem to have respect for > JG. It shouldn't amaze you that a driver does well while the crowd boos... a > boo won't slow a car down.>

And with that respect (and I agree with you) comes the burden of "if I give the
24 a break and he gets a lap back, he's liable to come all the way around and
pass me again". I think, in that regard, Kenny Wallace would be more likely to
get a racing break than JG, just the reality of the outcome.


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WildWeasel 14 April 2005 19:27:18 [ permanent link ]
 
"Retiredff" wrote ...>>>
Imagine my surprise when I saw my post. I meant to save it until I could check > on how he got his laps back.>

Happens all the time! No problem.
Bottom line, it wasn't just JG. It was JG and the work of the entire team. > NASCAR has long said it is a team sport, and it takes all of them working > together to have success.>
That is why a four tire stop involves 40 lug nuts, not eight 'whatever you > call them' large nuts. That is why there is a jack man, and not the type of > system as in F1, CART, etc.>
A mistake on any one members part, especially late in the race, and JG might > not have been in Victory Lane.

Sure more exciting than those sanitized, robotic F1 stops.

-- Jeff


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Kevin 14 April 2005 20:42:36 [ permanent link ]
 Michael McGaha <michael@ronindev.c­om> wrote:

That's what I meant. if there is no car 1 lap down, there should be no free > pass, even if there are 20 cars 2 laps down.

Has that situation ever occured? I don't recall it ever happening. Does
anyone know what the rule is if it were no cars one lap down?

Kevin

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Chuck Steak 14 April 2005 21:10:24 [ permanent link ]
 In article <wbw7e.14585$m31.14­0933@typhoon.sonic.n­et>,
Kevin <kevin-no-spam@soni­c.net> wrote:

Does>anyone know what the rule is if it were no cars one lap down?>
Kevin

The highest scored lapped car, gets one lap back.




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WildWeasel 14 April 2005 23:10:02 [ permanent link ]
 
"Alex Holden" wrote ...>
No, it's the first placed car not on the lead lap. So if there's 42 cars> on the lead lap and Morgan Shepherd is running 3 laps down, Morgan gets> the pass, making him 2 down and so on.> Cheers,

First, thanks for the explanation. Second, how did Morgan get 3 laps down? Is
the race only 3 laps old?



(I mean ONLY 3 laps down? Sorry. Cheap shot at MS.)


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Alex Holden 14 April 2005 23:43:10 [ permanent link ]
 On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:08:18 CST, in article
<6-mdndv6V4O25MPfUS­dV9g@ptd.net>, "WildWeasel" <wweasel_24@HooYah.­com>
wrote in rec.autos.sport.nas­car.moderated:
"Michael McGaha" wrote ...>>I don't think anyone more than 1 lap down should be allowed to receive the free >>pass.>>
They don't, do they? The first guy a lap down moves up, we agree. Does the >first guy 2 laps down (and 3 laps, and 4 ...) move up 1 too? I don't think so. >What if there is no 1 lap down car? Does the first car 2 laps down move up to 1 >lap down?

No, it's the first placed car not on the lead lap. So if there's 42 cars
on the lead lap and Morgan Shepherd is running 3 laps down, Morgan gets
the pass, making him 2 down and so on.
Cheers,
--
Alex Holden
I don't speak for anybody but myself.

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Crusader 15 April 2005 00:10:35 [ permanent link ]
 "WildWeasel" <wweasel_24@HooYah.­com> wrote in message
news:zeidnekCVKn85s­PfUSdV9g@ptd.net...>­
"Michael McGaha" wrote ...> > First I don't think "the world is against him." Even if it was, the world> > isn't what he has to race against... the other 42 drivers are the ones that> > count. If you listen to them being interviewed, they seem to have respect for> > JG. It shouldn't amaze you that a driver does well while the crowd boos... a> > boo won't slow a car down.> >
And with that respect (and I agree with you) comes the burden of "if I give the> 24 a break and he gets a lap back, he's liable to come all the way around and> pass me again". I think, in that regard, Kenny Wallace would be more likely to> get a racing break than JG, just the reality of the outcome.>
Yeah, what Weasel sed!
I fergot to put the emoticon for facetious at the end of my post.
42 other drivers seems to constitute JG's race-day world, tho.
CRU-funnin'


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Steve Scott 15 April 2005 03:07:04 [ permanent link ]
 Are we talking 2 cars here?? :)­

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:11:20 CST, "Retiredff" <lbatter@bogfeet.ne­t>
wrote:
That is why a four tire stop involves 40 lug nuts, not eight 'whatever you >call them' large nuts.


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Back in my day, we didn't have any of
these fancy disclaimers. We blamed our
employers for our opinions, and they
got sued for silly little
provocations, and they would fire us,
and we would be hungry and sleeping
out in the cold, and we *liked* it
that way.



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Retiredff 15 April 2005 04:51:13 [ permanent link ]
 Four tires off/ four tires on. Five lug nuts each time ;)

Steve Scott wrote:> Are we talking 2 cars here?? :)­>
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:11:20 CST, "Retiredff" <lbatter@bogfeet.ne­t>> wrote:>
That is why a four tire stop involves 40 lug nuts, not eight>> 'whatever you call them' large nuts.

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Generic 15 April 2005 04:54:46 [ permanent link ]
 
"WildWeasel" <wweasel_24@HooYah.­com> wrote in message
news:E-udnZpU994V4M­PfUSdV9g@ptd.net...>­ > That is why a four tire stop involves 40 lug nuts, not eight 'whatever
call them' large nuts. That is why there is a jack man, and not the type
system as in F1, CART, etc.> >
A mistake on any one members part, especially late in the race, and JG
might> > not have been in Victory Lane.>
Sure more exciting than those sanitized, robotic F1 stops.

I always used to laugh at the 20 guys standing around the car in F1, 4 with
tires, 4 with tire heating blankets!!! That's gone this season with the no
tire change rule.

-John


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Mike Marlow 15 April 2005 06:22:51 [ permanent link ]
 
"Michael McGaha" <michael@ronindev.c­om> wrote in message
news:fEu7e.1059$JJ2­.953@newssvr12.news.­prodigy.com...> I don't think anyone more than 1 lap down should be allowed to receive the> free pass.

They don't. The freebie is only for cars 1 lap down. The previous poster
was wrong in saying that Gordon got the lucky dog three times. He worked
his way up by passing the leader for those first two laps and got the free
pass on the last one.

--

-Mike-
mmarlow@alltel.net


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Chuck Steak 15 April 2005 18:13:10 [ permanent link ]
 In article <c2f51$425f175d$a22­701e6$17951@ALLTEL.N­ET>,
"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@allt­el.net> wrote:
The freebie is only for cars 1 lap down.

LD is for the highest scored car not on the lead lap....
not just cars one lap down..



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