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Crusader 11 April 2005 21:12:26
	CRU: Another Can of worms. Seems the NA$CAR hierarchy can't resist opening them, eh? Note the date of this article. And the ensuing discussion by fans. Posted on Sat, Nov. 20, 2004 NASCAR bounces DEI's Steve Hmiel By JIM UTTER ThatsRacin.com Writer HOMESTEAD, Fla. - Steve Hmiel, technical director for Dale Earnhardt Inc. and the usual weekend spotter for Dale Earnhardt Jr., was told to leave Homestead-Miami Speedway for the remainder of the weekend Saturday morning by NASCAR President Mike Helton. The move is a suspension in fact, if not in name. Hmiel was not allowed to spot for Earnhardt Jr. during two Saturday Nextel Cup practice sessions, or for his son, Shane, in Saturday's Busch Series race. Hmiel is also prohibited from spotting for Earnhardt Jr. in Sunday's Ford 400. Earnhardt Jr. is one of five drivers eligible to win the Chase for the Nextel Cup in the race. Officials with Dale Earnhardt Inc. could not be immediately reached for comment late Saturday. Hmiel was asked to leave for making several "inappropriate remarks" - directed at NASCAR officials - over a team radio during Friday's Truck series race, in which he was spotting for his son. "The comments showed a total lack of respect for NASCAR officials. They were totally inappropriate," said Jim Hunter, NASCAR vice president of corporate communications. At the time of the incident the race was under caution and NASCAR had awarded Shane Hmiel the "free pass" for the first driver not on the lead lap. However, after a review of the circumstances, which included Hmiel crossing the pit road commitment line, NASCAR took back the free pass. *Steve Hmiel then lit into NASCAR officials repeatedly over the team radio, including at one point declaring, "NASCAR (expletive) it up."* Hmiel reported to the spotter's stand Saturday morning for the first Cup practice session, but was called into a meeting with Helton, during which he was told to leave the track, Hunter said. From: "TDW" <nyabzns@charter.net> Subject: Re: Jr.'s spotter suspended for radio language - Mike Heltons a lier! Date: Sunday, November 21, 2004 9:55 AM A few months ago, I dont remember exactly when, But the issue of foul language was discussed by Mike Helton as to how it pertained to in car communications, Mike Heltons responce was basicly, they asked all the drivers and spotters to watch there language , but, a team radio was private 2 way communications, so if a fan was listening via scanners, they were doing that at there own risk. I suppose you can say anything you want, as long as it isnt directed toward NASCAR huh ? -- Crusader
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Scott Stevenson 12 April 2005 01:56:43 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:12:26 CST, "Crusader" <cru32@comcast.net> wrote: CRU: Another Can of worms. Seems the NA$CAR hierarchy can't resist opening them, eh?>Note the date of this article. And the ensuing discussion by fans.> Posted on Sat, Nov. 20, 2004> NASCAR bounces DEI's Steve Hmiel> By JIM UTTER ThatsRacin.com Writer> HOMESTEAD, Fla. - Steve Hmiel, technical director for Dale Earnhardt> Inc. and the usual weekend spotter for Dale Earnhardt Jr., was told> to leave Homestead-Miami Speedway for the remainder of the weekend> Saturday morning by NASCAR President Mike Helton. (snip)> Hmiel was asked to leave for making several "inappropriate remarks"> - directed at NASCAR officials - over a team radio during Friday's> Truck series race, in which he was spotting for his son.> "The comments showed a total lack of respect for NASCAR officials.> They were totally inappropriate," said Jim Hunter, NASCAR vice> president of corporate communications. (snip) However, after a review of the circumstances, which included Hmiel> crossing the pit road commitment line, NASCAR took back the free pass.> *Steve Hmiel then lit into NASCAR officials repeatedly over the> team radio, including at one point declaring, "NASCAR (expletive) it up."* It appears that criticizing NASCAR, even in "private", is the equivalent of the "magic word" in baseball. I'm wondering exactly when we'll hear Mike Helton proclaim "L'NASCAR c'est moi!" take care, Scott Hey Mike--suspend this!
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Crusader 12 April 2005 03:50:02 [ permanent link ]
	"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote in message news:491m51hc8v0ojt9gbm96u7buallpo47pd3@4ax.com...> On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:56:43 CST, almostfm.AMSPAY@UCKSAY.comcast.net (Scott> Stevenson) wrote:> "The comments showed a total lack of respect for NASCAR officials.> >> They were totally inappropriate," said Jim Hunter, NASCAR vice> >> president of corporate communications.> It appears that criticizing NASCAR, even in "private", is the> >equivalent of the "magic word" in baseball.> Two different distinctions are entangled here:> "No rules racing" might be fun on simulators or (heaven forfend!)> out on the street, but you can't build a series as big as NASCAR> without rule makers and referees. If folks don't like the decisions> NASCAR makes, they can go play in some other series. If> they do wanna play in NASCAR's money pit, they've gotta play nice.> Marty> If N$ keeps making up the rules from race to race, some big-time owners just may go play in their own series. CRU
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Somebody 12 April 2005 03:50:08 [ permanent link ]
	"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote in message news:491m51hc8v0ojt9gbm96u7buallpo47pd3@4ax.com...> On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:56:43 CST, almostfm.AMSPAY@UCKSAY.comcast.net (Scott> Stevenson) wrote:> "The comments showed a total lack of respect for NASCAR officials.> >> They were totally inappropriate," said Jim Hunter, NASCAR vice> >> president of corporate communications.> It appears that criticizing NASCAR, even in "private", is the> >equivalent of the "magic word" in baseball.> Two different distinctions are entangled here:> 1. NASCAR is not taking responsibility for the use of foul language> on the driver/crew transmissions. That is their affair. It (apparently)> doesn't qualify as broadcasting for which NASCAR is legally> responsible. In that sense, what is said on those channels is> "private" (i.e., not NASCAR's responsibility). There is no such rule -- drivers have been fined for in-car communications, so have crew chiefs. It all gets (possibly) rebroadcast anyway. -Russ.
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Barbara 12 April 2005 04:20:02 [ permanent link ]
	"Somebody" <somebody@nospam.russdoucet.com> wrote in message news:EWD6e.1519$5u4.5806@nnrp1.uunet.ca...> "Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote in message> news:491m51hc8v0ojt9gbm96u7buallpo47pd3@4ax.com...> > On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:56:43 CST, almostfm.AMSPAY@UCKSAY.comcast.net> (Scott> > Stevenson) wrote:> > "The comments showed a total lack of respect for NASCAR> officials.> > >> They were totally inappropriate," said Jim Hunter, NASCAR> vice> > >> president of corporate communications.> > It appears that criticizing NASCAR, even in "private", is the> > >equivalent of the "magic word" in baseball.> > Two different distinctions are entangled here:> > 1. NASCAR is not taking responsibility for the use of foul language> > on the driver/crew transmissions. That is their affair. It (apparently)> > doesn't qualify as broadcasting for which NASCAR is legally> > responsible. In that sense, what is said on those channels is> > "private" (i.e., not NASCAR's responsibility).> There is no such rule -- drivers have been fined for in-car communications,> so have crew chiefs.> It all gets (possibly) rebroadcast anyway.> -Russ.> If you could have heard JG, TS, BL or DEJ during the race yesterday they all would have been fined for improper language. But, before the race most teams came over the scanner and said that there could be strong language and it was not recommended for listeners under the age of 18. Barb
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Martin X. Moleski 12 April 2005 04:24:37 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:56:43 CST, almostfm.AMSPAY@UCKSAY.comcast.net (Scott Stevenson) wrote: "The comments showed a total lack of respect for NASCAR officials.>> They were totally inappropriate," said Jim Hunter, NASCAR vice>> president of corporate communications. It appears that criticizing NASCAR, even in "private", is the>equivalent of the "magic word" in baseball. Two different distinctions are entangled here: 1. NASCAR is not taking responsibility for the use of foul language on the driver/crew transmissions. That is their affair. It (apparently) doesn't qualify as broadcasting for which NASCAR is legally responsible. In that sense, what is said on those channels is "private" (i.e., not NASCAR's responsibility). 2. NASCAR probably has a catchall rule like other pro sports that referees aren't to be demeaned, no matter how much someone disagrees with the call they make. The privacy shield raised in point #1 to protect NASCAR from FCC fines doesn't block the teams from their obligation to treat the referees with respect. "No rules racing" might be fun on simulators or (heaven forfend!) out on the street, but you can't build a series as big as NASCAR without rule makers and referees. If folks don't like the decisions NASCAR makes, they can go play in some other series. If they do wanna play in NASCAR's money pit, they've gotta play nice. I'm wondering exactly when we'll hear Mike Helton proclaim "L'NASCAR>c'est moi!" I think that's Mr. France's line. Marty
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Martin X. Moleski 12 April 2005 04:50:12 [ permanent link ]
	On 11 Apr 2005 23:50:02 GMT, "Crusader" <cru32@comcast.net> wrote: If N$ keeps making up the rules from race to race,>some big-time owners just may go play in their own series. Time will tell. Competition might be good for NASCAR. I'm not betting any of my hard-earned Moral Victory points on a new series developing. I'm not sure that Daytona is as important to NASCAR as Indy is to the IRL, but I do think NASCAR controls enough of the name-brand tracks to make it pretty difficult for a competing series to find good places to run. And, of course, if I'm wrong, it will just provide more material to raise the summit of MVM. :o) Marty
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Martin X. Moleski 12 April 2005 05:43:38 [ permanent link ]
	On 11 Apr 2005 23:50:08 GMT, "Somebody" <somebody@nospam.russdoucet.com> wrote: ... drivers have been fined for in-car communications,>so have crew chiefs. It may be that those fines fit the pattern. Cussing your car, your crew chief, or your competitors may not draw a fine, no matter how colorful the language. Cussing NASCAR is different. It all gets (possibly) rebroadcast anyway. Well, that's where the delay line comes in, which kind of brings us back to the thread about Janet Jackson and the FCC. The low-power transmitters used by the teams don't fall under the public broadcasting rules; the re-broadcast does. Marty
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Scott Stevenson 13 April 2005 12:40:39 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 18:24:37 CST, "Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote: On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:56:43 CST, almostfm.AMSPAY@UCKSAY.comcast.net (Scott>Stevenson) wrote:> "The comments showed a total lack of respect for NASCAR officials.>>> They were totally inappropriate," said Jim Hunter, NASCAR vice>>> president of corporate communications.> It appears that criticizing NASCAR, even in "private", is the>>equivalent of the "magic word" in baseball.> Two different distinctions are entangled here:> 2. NASCAR probably has a catchall rule like other pro sports that>referees aren't to be demeaned, no matter how much someone>disagrees with the call they make. The privacy shield raised in>point #1 to protect NASCAR from FCC fines doesn't block the>teams from their obligation to treat the referees with respect. Absolutely, they have the right to make whatever rules they want, and since it's their game, you play by the rules, or you go home. If he had said it to a NASCAR official, I wouldn't have a problem with the penalty. But he said it to a crew member, and someone at NASCAR overheard it. My concern is where does the line get drawn by NASCAR over criticism? If a private radio communication critcising them is subject to a penalty, what about two crew members talking in the garage? What about two crew members in the driver's motor home? What about back at the shop? Now that they've crossed over the first line, I think the others get fuzzier. All I'm trying to say is just because they've got the right to do it doesn't make it smart, or even in their long-term interests. take care, Scott Currently on the CD: "No Matter What" by Badfinger
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Somebody 17 April 2005 03:43:12 [ permanent link ]
	"Crusader" <cru32@comcast.net> wrote in message news:3c0ge2F6mi8qvU1@individual.net...> "Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote in message> news:491m51hc8v0ojt9gbm96u7buallpo47pd3@4ax.com...> > On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:56:43 CST, almostfm.AMSPAY@UCKSAY.comcast.net (Scott> > Stevenson) wrote:> > "The comments showed a total lack of respect for NASCAR officials.> > >> They were totally inappropriate," said Jim Hunter, NASCAR vice> > >> president of corporate communications.> > It appears that criticizing NASCAR, even in "private", is the> > >equivalent of the "magic word" in baseball.> > Two different distinctions are entangled here:> > "No rules racing" might be fun on simulators or (heaven forfend!)> > out on the street, but you can't build a series as big as NASCAR> > without rule makers and referees. If folks don't like the decisions> > NASCAR makes, they can go play in some other series. If> > they do wanna play in NASCAR's money pit, they've gotta play nice.> > Marty> > If N$ keeps making up the rules from race to race,> some big-time owners just may go play in their own series.> CRU No they won't -- NASCAR has been making up rules race to race for decades. The owners aren't going to get a better deal anywhere else -- spinoff sports almost never succeed. As long as the millions keep flowing, the owners aren't going to jump ship. Because none (ok, not many) of these rule changes actually directly effect the sponsors -- which is where a lot of the millions come from -- and it seem that there is a never ending fan base willing to put the remaining millions into the system. Now, if the fans start deserting, and the millions stop flowing, that's a different story... I submit that the fans hold the ture power here, noot the owners, or even NASCAR. -Russ.
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Martin X. Moleski 18 April 2005 17:21:08 [ permanent link ]
	On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:43:12 CST, "Somebody" <somebody@nospam.russdoucet.com> wrote: ... Now, if the fans start deserting, and the millions stop flowing, that's a>different story... I submit that the fans hold the ture power here, noot the>owners, or even NASCAR. The "ture power" is unevenly divided. There is a small elite of purists (some of whom post here) and a huge pooh of folks who tune in to be entertained. I think the huge pooh is going to win, noot the purists. ;o) Marty
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