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Bud 21 March 2005 04:27:18
	What in the world just happened ???? cmon guysssss
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WildWeasel 21 March 2005 04:39:21 [ permanent link ]
	"Bud" wrote ...> What in the world just happened ???? cmon guysssss> You almost want to say if they can't get lap 1 completed the race hasn't started and you can work on your car under red or pull out the back-up without penalty. That was pretty lousy. I do wonder how the impound and huge change in conditions from qualifying to race might have played into that.
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Steve Scott 21 March 2005 23:45:34 [ permanent link ]
	Then why qualify at night and race during the day when you can't adjust on the car in between? That does seem a tad foolish. On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 05:23:56 CST, "Phil Rhodes" <p.rhodes@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:> race the Bush race were possibly a little anxious.>Jeez, it's a 500 mile race, but your adrenal gland doesn't know that. I like >the new rules, they're the same for everyone. The cost of racing is too >high, and must be contained.> "WildWeasel" <wweasel_24@HooYah.com> wrote in message >news:yvycnVxy7IEGiqPfUSdV9g@ptd.net...>> "Bud" wrote ...>>> What in the world just happened ???? cmon guysssss>>> You almost want to say if they can't get lap 1 completed the race hasn't >> started and you can work on your car under red or pull out the back-up >> without penalty. That was pretty lousy.>> I do wonder how the impound and huge change in conditions from qualifying >> to race might have played into that.>> -- "I'm trying to make insects fly", said Tom flippantly.
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Crusader 22 March 2005 02:45:18 [ permanent link ]
	"Phil Rhodes" <p.rhodes@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote in message news:KbGdnfa75-I8paPfRVn-pw@comcast.com...> Ok, the first lap was lousy! I agree, but the finish, WOW, was anything> but...> Young Hamilton felt he had a tire going down, and was slow, possibly for> that reason, that forced others behind him (since he was on the front row,> that was a lot of guys) to check up. One guy touchs his left rear tire and> now it's flat...others check up, bang - there's a wreck. It's pretty darn> hard to blame any of that on the new rules - except that the guys who didn't> race the Bush race were possibly a little anxious.> Jeez, it's a 500 mile race, but your adrenal gland doesn't know that. I like> the new rules, they're the same for everyone. The cost of racing is too> high, and must be contained.> I wonder how much NA$CAR saved the teams by not practicing under race conditions on Saturday vs all the tornup racecars on Sunday? IMHO, the impound needs to be modified, now! CRU "WildWeasel" <wweasel_24@HooYah.com> wrote in message> news:yvycnVxy7IEGiqPfUSdV9g@ptd.net...> > "Bud" wrote ...> >> What in the world just happened ???? cmon guysssss> >> You almost want to say if they can't get lap 1 completed the race hasn't> > started and you can work on your car under red or pull out the back-up> > without penalty. That was pretty lousy.> > I do wonder how the impound and huge change in conditions from qualifying> > to race might have played into that.> >
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John McCoy 22 March 2005 04:32:41 [ permanent link ]
	"Crusader" <cru32@comcast.net> wrote in news:3a8b37F639a4pU1@individual.net: I wonder how much NA$CAR saved the teams by not practicing under race> conditions on Saturday vs all the tornup racecars on Sunday?> IMHO, the impound needs to be modified, now! Like Phil said, I don't think the impound had anything to do with it. Practice on Sat isn't going to stop Hamilton cutting a tire on the parade lap and suddenly slowing when the green drops. John
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Wheeler 22 March 2005 04:40:11 [ permanent link ]
	John McCoy <igopogo@ix.netcom.com> wrote in news:Xns9620C526CE0F5pogosupernews@216.168.3.30: "Crusader" <cru32@comcast.net> wrote in> news:3a8b37F639a4pU1@individual.net: > I wonder how much NA$CAR saved the teams by not practicing under race>> conditions on Saturday vs all the tornup racecars on Sunday?>> IMHO, the impound needs to be modified, now!> Like Phil said, I don't think the impound had anything to do with> it. Practice on Sat isn't going to stop Hamilton cutting a tire> on the parade lap and suddenly slowing when the green drops. And don't they get just as much practice time as before? -- Wheeler
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Bob Paxton 22 March 2005 16:44:51 [ permanent link ]
	WildWeasel wrote: You almost want to say if they can't get lap 1 completed the race hasn't started> and you can work on your car under red or pull out the back-up without penalty.> That was pretty lousy. But the race starts at the beginning of the first lap, not the end of it. So if you take green, but don't complete the first lap, you've still started the race. I could see someone trying to argue that if they get wrecked or something happens before they get to the start-finish line on the initial green, then the race hasn't started for them. However, I think logic and reasoning dictate that the race is officially under way for everyone the instant the pole sitter takes the green.
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Martin X. Moleski 22 March 2005 17:08:06 [ permanent link ]
	On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:44:51 CST, "Bob Paxton" <redgreen43@hotmail.com> wrote: I could see someone trying to argue that if they get wrecked or>something happens before they get to the start-finish line on the>initial green, then the race hasn't started for them. ... That did happen in one race, didn't it? I seem to remember some folks being allowed to grab their backup cars after a pace lap accident. Was that when MM veered into the infield when his power steering locked up? Marty
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Chuck Steak 22 March 2005 17:40:02 [ permanent link ]
	In article <i26041lc68b0uh7scqvneq53qennmn4mj1@4ax.com>, "Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote:>On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:44:51 CST, "Bob Paxton" <redgreen43@hotmail.com> wrote:> I could see someone trying to argue that if they get wrecked or>>something happens before they get to the start-finish line on the>>initial green, then the race hasn't started for them. ...> That did happen in one race, didn't it? I seem to remember some>folks being allowed to grab their backup cars after a pace lap>accident.> Was that when MM veered into the infield when his power>steering locked up?> Marty> I think you may be thinking of the all star race at Lowe's a few years ago... They took the green, and the skies opened up, a bnunch of cars got wiped out going into the first turn. They were allowed to work on/go to backup cars. Jeff Gordon won the race.. in a backup car. Dan ---------------------------------------------- I got a new toolbox for my wife. Best trade I ever made.
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Mike Marlow 22 March 2005 17:44:01 [ permanent link ]
	"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote in message news:i26041lc68b0uh7scqvneq53qennmn4mj1@4ax.com...> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:44:51 CST, "Bob Paxton" <redgreen43@hotmail.com> wrote:> I could see someone trying to argue that if they get wrecked or> >something happens before they get to the start-finish line on the> >initial green, then the race hasn't started for them. ...> That did happen in one race, didn't it? I seem to remember some> folks being allowed to grab their backup cars after a pace lap> accident.> Was that when MM veered into the infield when his power> steering locked up?> Nope - it was at a Winston. NASCAR started the race with rain on the track and a handful of cars (all I remember are Jeff Gordon and Jeff Burton) went sliding off into the wall at turn 1. Since it was the Winston and the rules for that bear no resemblance to anything else in Cup racing, NASCAR decided to let the affected teams haul out backup cars and try again. Seems to me there was a one hour time limit on what NASCAR allowed the teams, but that time limit might have been in part a real limit, and in part related to rain delay/track drying - can't really remember. -- -Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
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Michael McGaha 22 March 2005 19:54:28 [ permanent link ]
	"WildWeasel" <wweasel_24@HooYah.com> wrote in message news:yvycnVxy7IEGiqPfUSdV9g@ptd.net...> "Bud" wrote ...>> What in the world just happened ???? cmon guysssss>> You almost want to say if they can't get lap 1 completed the race hasn't > started and you can work on your car under red or pull out the back-up > without penalty. That was pretty lousy.> The only time I can remember them allowing that was when rain started in turn 4 just as they received the green flag and the big one happened before turn 1. Can't remember the year or the track, but I do remember them allowing everyone to bring out their backup cars. Michael --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004
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Somebody 23 March 2005 00:23:07 [ permanent link ]
	"Michael McGaha" <michael@ronindev.com> wrote in message news:IcX%d.515$c76.69@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...> "WildWeasel" <wweasel_24@HooYah.com> wrote in message> news:yvycnVxy7IEGiqPfUSdV9g@ptd.net...> > "Bud" wrote ...> >> What in the world just happened ???? cmon guysssss> >> You almost want to say if they can't get lap 1 completed the race hasn't> > started and you can work on your car under red or pull out the back-up> > without penalty. That was pretty lousy.> > The only time I can remember them allowing that was when rain started in> turn 4 just as they received the green flag and the big one happened before> turn 1. Can't remember the year or the track, but I do remember them> allowing everyone to bring out their backup cars. It's simple: It was The Winston, and in The Winston that year, the rules stated that caution laps did not count. Hence, on a first lap caution, no laps had been run, so the race was ruled not to have started, and the teams were allowed to bring out their backup cars. In any other race, caution laps do count, so that won't work. -Russ.
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Ed 24 March 2005 03:14:41 [ permanent link ]
	Martin X. Moleski, SJ wrote:> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:44:51 CST, "Bob Paxton" <redgreen43@hotmail.com> wrote:> I could see someone trying to argue that if they get wrecked or>>something happens before they get to the start-finish line on the>>initial green, then the race hasn't started for them. ...> That did happen in one race, didn't it? I seem to remember some> folks being allowed to grab their backup cars after a pace lap> accident.> Was that when MM veered into the infield when his power> steering locked up?> Marty> Wasn't it a Winston All-Star Race? I believe it was a non-points race when they pulled out the backup cars.
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