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CarGuru > Nascar > The Fix 21 March 2005 08:00:04

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Galloping.Moron 19 March 2005 17:35:01
	I prefer to refer to The Chase as The Fix. Assuming that all of the full time drivers start all 26 races you would have to count on Gordon, Johnson, Busch, Kenseth, Stewart, and Newman all making it. That would leave four spots for all of the other drivers. I suspect that Labonte, McMurray, Martin, and Biffle will be those four. I would like to nominate Harvick but he is on a lousy team. There is something not quite right with Junior. Either he has accumulated damage from all of the wrecks or he is too distracted to focus and get the job done.
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Martin X. Moleski 19 March 2005 18:53:54 [ permanent link ]
	On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 07:35:01 CST, "galloping.moron" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote: I prefer to refer to The Chase as The Fix. Assuming that all of the full time drivers start all 26 races you would have >to count on Gordon, Johnson, Busch, Kenseth, Stewart, and Newman all making >it. That would leave four spots for all of the other drivers. You have reminded me of my failure to complete my RPG for the Chase. Here is as far as I got in February: Greg Biffle Jimmy Johnson Jeff Gordon Ryan Newman Tony Stewart I'm moderately confident that Kurt Busch will make the Chase. I don't see how I could leave out Matt Kenseth, either. I had an RPG with somebody that 6 of the Chasers would repeat. Drat. I can't name the 10 Chasers from last year off the top of my old balding head. Had to go look for them. In the finishing order they were: Kurt Busch Jimmie Johnson Jeff Gordon Mark Martin Dale Earnhardt, Jr. Tony Stewart Ryan Newman Matt Kenseth Elliott Sadler Jeremy Mayfield I think I would've picked these guys in February, if I'd gone and gotten the list. Today I'm not so sure about Little E, as you say below. I hope he's OK. So I need three fresh faces to make the Chase. I'll stick with Biffle. Add Jamie McMurray, the star of the undercard. Then (for old time's sake), I'll take Jeff Burton to be the first RCR car to make the Chase. I suspect that Labonte, McMurray, Martin, and Biffle will be those four. I >would like to nominate Harvick but he is on a lousy team. OK, I've taken two of your picks and dropped two. I hope you're right about MM. I'd love to see him win in his last season. There is something not quite right with Junior. Either he has accumulated >damage from all of the wrecks or he is too distracted to focus and get the >job done. I worry about cumulative damage to the inner ear through racin' wrecks. Seems to me that it is the most precious organ in a racer's life--the sense of balance tells the driver what the car is doing. Hmm, if I was a sports physiologist and wanted to get embroiled in that other thread about women drivers, I'd see if I could find an average bodily-based difference between men and women in the ability to picture, predict, and produce balance in 3-dimensional objects. It would only take a slight advantage in the speed and accuracy of making these judgments to give males a huge advantage in winning races. Please note that I am not wedded to this hypothesis. It's just a question that may or may not be decisively answered in my lifetime. And my lifetime, I'm told, would be longer if I were carrying a little less weight on my chassis and had it more evenly distributed. Weight and balance, balance and weight. Sorry about the huge thread drift here. I think you're right that Little E is hurtin'. I hope he's OK. Marty
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WildWeasel 19 March 2005 19:25:10 [ permanent link ]
	"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" wrote ... And my lifetime, I'm told, would be longer if I were carrying a little> less weight on my chassis and had it more evenly distributed.> Weight and balance, balance and weight.> OR if you weren't so far under the height sticks. Oh, that's me. I think during the race I adjusted me too low, unintentionally, of course. Interesting thought about Jr and balance in 3-dimensional space. I'm sure NASA has studied the later as it's a big deal for them and they have female astronauts. As for Jr., what are his bell ringing incidents? How many and how sever? On the other hand, I'm not sure it takes a hard or bad lick to do significant long term damage, maybe just the right one. -- WW, MD (and Holiday Inn Express Priority Club member)
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Cindy Murray 19 March 2005 19:38:28 [ permanent link ]
	Martin X. Moleski, SJ wrote: There is something not quite right with Junior. Either he has accumulated >>damage from all of the wrecks or he is too distracted to focus and get the >>job done. > I worry about cumulative damage to the inner ear through racin' wrecks.> Seems to me that it is the most precious organ in a racer's life--the> sense of balance tells the driver what the car is doing. Hmm, if I> was a sports physiologist and wanted to get embroiled in that other> thread about women drivers, I'd see if I could find an average> bodily-based difference between men and women in the ability> to picture, predict, and produce balance in 3-dimensional objects.> It would only take a slight advantage in the speed and accuracy of> making these judgments to give males a huge advantage in> winning races.> Please note that I am not wedded to this hypothesis. It's just a> question that may or may not be decisively answered in my lifetime.> And my lifetime, I'm told, would be longer if I were carrying a little> less weight on my chassis and had it more evenly distributed.> Weight and balance, balance and weight.> Sorry about the huge thread drift here. I think you're right that> Little E is hurtin'. I hope he's OK.> Marty> I think it's the team swap that happened earlier this year. Consider the fact that in Dale Jr's entire Busch and Winston Cup career (maybe ARCA, too?) he's had only one Crew Chief and a solid group of Pit Crew members. To suddenly change all that could throw a HUGE monkey wrench into the gears. And they didn't just change crews, they changed shops, cars, everything but the car number and sponsors. I think that team is still trying to gel and they haven't quite figured out how to get the car that Junior needs. That leaves him frustrated AND dealing with a car that's not handling like he's used to. I suspected this would happen when I first heard about the swap. They need to swap back if you ask me -- it obviously hasn't helped Mikey much either.
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Crusader 19 March 2005 20:25:55 [ permanent link ]
	"WildWeasel" <wweasel_24@HooYah.com> wrote in message news:lricnfDuw-GK2aHfUSdV9g@ptd.net...> "Martin X. Moleski, SJ" wrote ...> > And my lifetime, I'm told, would be longer if I were carrying a little> > less weight on my chassis and had it more evenly distributed.> > Weight and balance, balance and weight.> > OR if you weren't so far under the height sticks. Oh, that's me. I think> during the race I adjusted me too low, unintentionally, of course.> Interesting thought about Jr and balance in 3-dimensional space. I'm sure NASA> has studied the later as it's a big deal for them and they have female> astronauts.> As for Jr., what are his bell ringing incidents? How many and how sever? On> the other hand, I'm not sure it takes a hard or bad lick to do significant long> term damage, maybe just the right one.> -- WW, MD (and Holiday Inn Express Priority Club member)> WW, i just knew u were gonna steal my line to MXM-- maybe u need to put a round of wedge or 6 in (or out?) there Marty? The biggest bell-ringer i remember DEJ & Harvick getting together. Seems DEJ hid that concussion for 5 or more races. CRU-who also only stays at Holiday Inns ;)
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Martin X. Moleski 19 March 2005 23:44:01 [ permanent link ]
	On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:25:55 CST, "Crusader" <cru32@comcast.net> wrote: maybe u need to put a round of wedge or 6 in (or out?) there Marty? Gotta get some wedges out: of pie, brownies, cakes, ice cream ... :o( The biggest bell-ringer i remember DEJ & Harvick getting together.>Seems DEJ hid that concussion for 5 or more races. Once you get concussed, I think it's easier to get concussed again. Either that or else the first concussion reveals a weak chin. Getting cru-cussed is an entirely different kettle of fish. Marty
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John McCoy 20 March 2005 03:35:06 [ permanent link ]
	"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote in news:0odo31p9e4spp3sndacflca5dvvag8bjvc@4ax.com: I worry about cumulative damage to the inner ear through racin'> wrecks. Seems to me that it is the most precious organ in a racer's> life--the sense of balance tells the driver what the car is doing. Smokey Yunick, who knew a tad about the subject, would agree with you 100% difference between men and women in the ability> to picture, predict, and produce balance in 3-dimensional objects. Testing does seem to show that men are better at visualizing and mentally manipulating objects. Whether that extends to balancing them, I suspect no-ones ever looked at. John
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Guest 20 March 2005 04:02:22 [ permanent link ]
	Martin X. Moleski, SJ wrote: On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 07:35:01 CST, "galloping.moron" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote: There is something not quite right with Junior. Either he has accumulated> >damage from all of the wrecks or he is too distracted to focus and get the> >job done.> I worry about cumulative damage to the inner ear through racin' wrecks.> Seems to me that it is the most precious organ in a racer's life--the> sense of balance tells the driver what the car is doing. Hmm, if I> was a sports physiologist and wanted to get embroiled in that other> thread about women drivers, I'd see if I could find an average> bodily-based difference between men and women in the ability> to picture, predict, and produce balance in 3-dimensional objects.> It would only take a slight advantage in the speed and accuracy of> making these judgments to give males a huge advantage in> winning races.> Please note that I am not wedded to this hypothesis. It's just a> question that may or may not be decisively answered in my lifetime.> And my lifetime, I'm told, would be longer if I were carrying a little> less weight on my chassis and had it more evenly distributed.> Weight and balance, balance and weight. I think you may be on to something concrete with respect to the abstract and concrete spatial ability of men v. women. I can't be a test case in that as I'm (truly) dyslexic in some weird areas, and some of them have to do with spatial accuity. in that dyslexia is more prevalent in men, I wonder if that ends up being a wash. interesting to think about though--thanks, Marty, for that thought. interesting take on the DEJr slump too. Katharine
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WildWeasel 20 March 2005 04:12:39 [ permanent link ]
	<malonekath@aol.com> wrote ...> Martin X. Moleski, SJ wrote:> I worry about cumulative damage to the inner ear through racin'>> wrecks.> ...> interesting take on the DEJr slump too.> MVM is gaining height right before our eyes!
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Somebody 20 March 2005 16:38:50 [ permanent link ]
	"John McCoy" <igopogo@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:Xns961EBB7696BC6pogosupernews@216.168.3.30...> "Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote in> news:0odo31p9e4spp3sndacflca5dvvag8bjvc@4ax.com:> I worry about cumulative damage to the inner ear through racin'> > wrecks. Seems to me that it is the most precious organ in a racer's> > life--the sense of balance tells the driver what the car is doing.> Smokey Yunick, who knew a tad about the subject, would agree> with you 100%> difference between men and women in the ability> > to picture, predict, and produce balance in 3-dimensional objects.> Testing does seem to show that men are better at visualizing> and mentally manipulating objects. Whether that extends to> balancing them, I suspect no-ones ever looked at.> John Rally driving takes more balance than cup driving I would say. Michele Mouton won World Rally Championship races for Audi in the 80's. And she never raced anything until after she had her driver's license. http://www.rallysportnews.com.au/cms/A_20579/article.html -Russ.
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Somebody 20 March 2005 16:41:54 [ permanent link ]
	<malonekath@aol.com> wrote in message news:1111276900.765206.171200@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...> Martin X. Moleski, SJ wrote:> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 07:35:01 CST, "galloping.moron"> <nascar42@cox.net> wrote:> There is something not quite right with Junior. Either he has> accumulated> > >damage from all of the wrecks or he is too distracted to focus and> get the> > >job done.> > I worry about cumulative damage to the inner ear through racin'> wrecks.> > Seems to me that it is the most precious organ in a racer's life--the> > sense of balance tells the driver what the car is doing. Hmm, if I> > was a sports physiologist and wanted to get embroiled in that other> > thread about women drivers, I'd see if I could find an average> > bodily-based difference between men and women in the ability> > to picture, predict, and produce balance in 3-dimensional objects.> > It would only take a slight advantage in the speed and accuracy of> > making these judgments to give males a huge advantage in> > winning races.> > Please note that I am not wedded to this hypothesis. It's just a> > question that may or may not be decisively answered in my lifetime.> > And my lifetime, I'm told, would be longer if I were carrying a> little> > less weight on my chassis and had it more evenly distributed.> > Weight and balance, balance and weight.> I think you may be on to something concrete with respect to the> abstract and concrete spatial ability of men v. women. I can't be a> test case in that as I'm (truly) dyslexic in some weird areas, and some> of them have to do with spatial accuity. in that dyslexia is more> prevalent in men, I wonder if that ends up being a wash. interesting> to think about though--thanks, Marty, for that thought. In general you are probably correct -- I've found anecdotally that women are not as good as these sorts of things, on average. But those are women that have been brought up as "girly girls", in other words, barbie dolls and dress up instead of dirt bikes and skateboards. So, surprise... they aren't oriented that way. Take some suitable raw talents and run them up through the series racing at age 5 like a Jeff Gordon, you might see something different. There are myriad examples of females excelling in individual sports or careers that place a strict premium on these types of skills, so clearly women can train to do them at a high level. -Russ.
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Crusader 20 March 2005 19:49:40 [ permanent link ]
	"WildWeasel" <wweasel_24@HooYah.com> wrote in message newsOCcndG1TdhHIqHfUSdV9g@ptd.net...> <malonekath@aol.com> wrote ...> > Martin X. Moleski, SJ wrote:> >> I worry about cumulative damage to the inner ear through racin' wrecks.> > ...> > interesting take on the DEJr slump too.> > MVM is gaining height right before our eyes!> Fur shur! Thanx to Cru's straight man to Marty's humor and to John's visualness by men. Dazzle 'em with bs, eh?
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John McCoy 21 March 2005 07:30:36 [ permanent link ]
	"Somebody" <somebody@nospam.russdoucet.com> wrote in news:W8e%d.94880$vO1.587316@nnrp1.uunet.ca: Rally driving takes more balance than cup driving I would say. Hum, interesting point. I would tend to disagree with you, given we're speaking of "balance" as the sense of available traction which race drivers exhibit (which was Marty's original point). Oval track racing is very dependant on repeatedly recognizing the available traction in the corner and running right to that limit. Rally racing I think depends more on being able to quickly react to "things", whether it's a corner you've never seen before, catching a slide, hitting a rock in the road, etc. It's much less a specialized sense of traction. Michelle Mouton was definately a very skilled driver in any regard. Time will tell if she was an aberration, the extreme end of the bell curve, or if other female drivers of equal skill appear. John
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Generic 21 March 2005 08:00:04 [ permanent link ]
	"John McCoy" <igopogo@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:Xns961FE36B1F17Apogosupernews@216.168.3.30...> "Somebody" <somebody@nospam.russdoucet.com> wrote in> news:W8e%d.94880$vO1.587316@nnrp1.uunet.ca:> Rally driving takes more balance than cup driving I would say.> Hum, interesting point. I would tend to disagree with you, given> we're speaking of "balance" as the sense of available traction which> race drivers exhibit (which was Marty's original point). Oval track> racing is very dependant on repeatedly recognizing the available> traction in the corner and running right to that limit. Rally> racing I think depends more on being able to quickly react to "things",> whether it's a corner you've never seen before, catching a slide,> hitting a rock in the road, etc. It's much less a specialized sense> of traction. Jumping in mid-thread because I think the OP is right... Rally drivers have to ride the throttle through corners with tons of wheelspin and on radically different surfaces. Wheelspin is a handling tool in rally racing--it stops slides and affects turning. The racers preview the course and have detailed notes for what is coming up, so it's more of a plan than a simple reaction. Oval racers surely have better skills interacting with moving cars, but half of them are in over their heads on road courses (let alone a rally course). Drivers like Michael Waltrip and flipper Sadler in #38 are good at keeping the gas pedal down but seemingly at not sensing the limits. NASCARs road courses are somewhere between ovals and rally driving, and yes, J. Gordon, R. Gordon, Boris Said, etc. have proven they can better sense the limit under variable conditions. Turning left and right while keeping up the speed requires a strong sense of balance. IMO Rally drivers are about the best at handling a car, but maybe not in multi-car races. -John
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