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6 Mexican Whackers
Crusader 1 March 2005 02:11:34
	RWallace KHarvick RGordon JMcMurray ESadler CEdwards -- Cru-non habla
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John McCoy 1 March 2005 04:04:45 [ permanent link ]
	"Crusader" <cru32@comcast.net> wrote in news:38hj89F5olqo3U1@individual.net: JMcMurray> ESadler These two I think are a bit of a surprise, being neither noted as great fans of road racing, nor frequent Busch competitors. CEdwards Isn't he contending for Busch ROTY? Perhaps not fair to call him a whacker, then. John
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Chuck Steak 1 March 2005 20:56:39 [ permanent link ]
	In article <Xns960BC050CADEDpogosupernews@216.168.3.30>, John McCoy <igopogo@ix.netcom.com> wrote: JMcMurray>> ESadler These two I think are a bit of a surprise, being neither noted as>great fans of road racing, nor frequent Busch competitors. What better way to get some free experience to help them with that portion of their program? Two races on twisty tracks, that if they flounder at, "could" keep them out of the top 10@26. Just a thought of course... Dan ---------------------------------------------- I got a new toolbox for my wife. Best trade I ever made.
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Julia 1 March 2005 22:27:33 [ permanent link ]
	On 2005-02-28 13:04:45 -0500, John McCoy <igopogo@ix.netcom.com> said: "Crusader" <cru32@comcast.net> wrote in news:38hj89F5olqo3U1@individual.net:> JMcMurray>> ESadler> These two I think are a bit of a surprise, being neither noted as> great fans of road racing, nor frequent Busch competitors.> CEdwards> Isn't he contending for Busch ROTY? Perhaps not fair to call> him a whacker, then.> John> hmmm.... I kinda disagree with your assessment that McMurray isn't a frequent Busch competitor ~ he ran quite a few Busch races last year (14 starts - 3 wins) and has a contract to drive Rusty's Busch car this year for every race that isn't sponsored by Miller (because of his conflict with the Coors sponsorship in Cup). And despite his second place finish at Infineon, he has targeted plate tracks and road racing as the weakest part of his program ~ so I'm not surprised that he wants to get in some seat time in Mexico City. Besides, the dewd just seems to enjoy being behind the wheel.... he was in the Rolex 24 and is also planning on driving in a number of truck races this year. -- .."your head can't rule your heart ~ a feeling is so much stronger than a thought"... $1 to Bono (U2) from "Vertigo"
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Julia 2 March 2005 01:18:11 [ permanent link ]
	On 2005-03-01 08:19:42 -0500, "Crusader" <cru32@comcast.net> said: "Julia" <julia.dmbangel2004@gmail.com> wrote in message> news:2005030113272475249%juliadmbangel2004@gmailcom...>> On 2005-02-28 13:04:45 -0500, John McCoy <igopogo@ix.netcom.com> said:>> "Crusader" <cru32@comcast.net> wrote in news:38hj89F5olqo3U1@individual.net:>>> JMcMurray>>>> ESadler>>> These two I think are a bit of a surprise, being neither noted as>>> great fans of road racing, nor frequent Busch competitors.>>> CEdwards>>> Isn't he contending for Busch ROTY? Perhaps not fair to call>>> him a whacker, then.>>> John>>> hmmm.... I kinda disagree with your assessment that McMurray isn't a>> frequent Busch competitor ~ he ran quite a few Busch races last year>> (14 starts - 3 wins) and has a contract to drive Rusty's Busch car this>> year for every race that isn't sponsored by Miller (because of his>> conflict with the Coors sponsorship in Cup).>> And despite his second place finish at Infineon, he has targeted plate>> tracks and road racing as the weakest part of his program ~ so I'm not>> surprised that he wants to get in some seat time in Mexico City.>> Besides, the dewd just seems to enjoy being behind the wheel.... he was>> in the Rolex 24 and is also planning on driving in a number of truck>> races this year.>> -->> .."your head can't rule your heart ~ a feeling is so much stronger>> than a thought"... $1 to Bono (U2) from "Vertigo">> Si, Senorita (or Senora?)> Caint get enuf 'sperience on the Road.> I call Carl a Whacker cuz he has a full-time Cup ride.> I should have mentioned a few others entered:> Boris Said, Ron Fellows, Hornaday, & LaJoie.> Min 10 Mexicans like Adrian Fernandez & Michel Jourdain.> Cru-spanola actually, I'm kinda surprised that more drivers aren't taking advantage of the seat time. I thought we would see far more entered in this race. Julia-ita... ;) -- .."your head can't rule your heart ~ a feeling is so much stronger than a thought"... $1 to Bono (U2) from "Vertigo"
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Max Altara 2 March 2005 06:11:46 [ permanent link ]
	I only consider someone a "Buschwhacker" if they don't have a full time Busch ride. Carl Edwards isn't because he runs Full time in Busch as well as in Cup. Kenseth, Mark Martin, and Dale Jr. are Busch-whackers because they only run a few Busch races a year. "John McCoy" <igopogo@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:Xns960BC050CADEDpogosupernews@216.168.3.30...> "Crusader" <cru32@comcast.net> wrote in> news:38hj89F5olqo3U1@individual.net:> JMcMurray>> ESadler> These two I think are a bit of a surprise, being neither noted as> great fans of road racing, nor frequent Busch competitors.> CEdwards> Isn't he contending for Busch ROTY? Perhaps not fair to call> him a whacker, then.> John>
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Jim 3 March 2005 00:13:47 [ permanent link ]
	To me a Busch Wacker is someone who runs in the Nextel Series and brings his Nextel money, sponsors, teams, and equipment, (yeah I know the cars are different but they are built by the same guys), and run the Busch series to either win or drop out. The best example of that I can see is Mark Martin which is one of the main reasons I have never liked the guy. He brings to Busch all the expertise of Rosch racing with him. At least the Team that MWaltrip has or even Chance2 are strictly Busch teams and are not crossover. Jim "Max Altara" <valkryie01@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:318Vd.38262$by5.14328@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...> I only consider someone a "Buschwhacker" if they don't have a full time> Busch ride.> Carl Edwards isn't because he runs Full time in Busch as well as in Cup.> Kenseth, Mark Martin, and Dale Jr. are Busch-whackers because they only a few Busch races a year.> "John McCoy" <igopogo@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message> news:Xns960BC050CADEDpogosupernews@216.168.3.30...> > "Crusader" <cru32@comcast.net> wrote in> > news:38hj89F5olqo3U1@individual.net:> > JMcMurray> >> ESadler> > These two I think are a bit of a surprise, being neither noted as> > great fans of road racing, nor frequent Busch competitors.> > CEdwards> > Isn't he contending for Busch ROTY? Perhaps not fair to call> > him a whacker, then.> > John> >
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Martin X. Moleski 3 March 2005 00:34:31 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:13:47 CST, "Jim" <jimbragg@bellsouth.net> wrote: ... The best example of that I can see is Mark Martin>which is one of the main reasons I have never liked the guy. He brings to>Busch all the expertise of Roush racing with him. ... For some reason, MM was better at setting up and running Busch cars than Cup cars--according to Jack Roush. He said MM could do it "unconsciously." The adjective has now been passed down to Biffle. Roush said after the race on Sunday that Biffle was just "unconscious" in working out the right setup for Fontana. In some ways, the case might be made that MM is a better Busch driver than Cup driver, for whatever reason. He's probably got a better winning percentage in Busch by far. Marty
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Wheeler 3 March 2005 02:10:21 [ permanent link ]
	"Crusader" <cru32@comcast.net> wrote in news:38hj89F5olqo3U1 @individual.net: RWallace> KHarvick> RGordon> JMcMurray> ESadler> CEdwards> What about Adrian Fernandez? He's not a full-time Busch driver. In fact, I don't know if he's ever driven in NASCAR at all. -- Wheeler
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John McCoy 3 March 2005 03:56:43 [ permanent link ]
	Julia <julia.dmbangel2004@gmail.com> wrote in news:2005030200041950073%juliadmbangel2004@gmailcom: exactly.... I thought that the chance to run a road race would be way > too tempting for these guys ~ do you think it's the expense and > distance from traveling to Mexico that held them back?. Probably more sponsor commitments, test dates, spending time with the family, etc, etc. Being where it is, it's probably a four day deal to go run there, whereas picking up a race at Nashville or Gateway or something like that is just fly out one morning, fly back the next day. John
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Chuck Steak 3 March 2005 05:12:48 [ permanent link ]
	In article <36pVd.42233$Rl5.14859@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, "Jim" <jimbragg@bellsouth.net> wrote: At least the Team that>MWaltrip has or even Chance2 are strictly Busch teams and are not crossover.>Jim But it's still all the 'little guys' running against DEI no matter how you slice it, Jim. Not many Busch teams have the resources of DEI/Hendrick/Roush spinoffs.. Dan ---------------------------------------------- I got a new toolbox for my wife. Best trade I ever made.
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Michael McGaha 3 March 2005 18:24:31 [ permanent link ]
	"Jim" <jimbragg@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:36pVd.42233$Rl5.14859@bignews4.bellsouth.net...> To me a Busch Wacker is someone who runs in the Nextel Series and brings > his> Nextel money, sponsors, teams, and equipment, (yeah I know the cars are> different but they are built by the same guys), and run the Busch series > to> either win or drop out. The best example of that I can see is Mark Martin> which is one of the main reasons I have never liked the guy. He brings to> Busch all the expertise of Rosch racing with him. At least the Team that> MWaltrip has or even Chance2 are strictly Busch teams and are not > crossover.> Jim> If you look close, the expertise that Mark brings to Busch racing never really left it. Mark learned to win in the Busch cars but has never really transfered that over to cup. It would be kinda silly to tell someone they became too good to race in a particular series when they learned all they did in that series. Michael --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004
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Martin X. Moleski 4 March 2005 00:08:06 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 08:24:31 CST, "Michael McGaha" <michael@ronindev.com> wrote: ... If you look close, the expertise that Mark brings to Busch racing never >really left it. Mark learned to win in the Busch cars but has never really >transfered that over to cup. He's in the top 20 all-time in Cup wins (34 wins). He's number one all-time in Busch wins (45). I don't know how many starts he's got in Busch. I would guess it's fewer than his Cup starts. So his Busch batting percentage is higher than his Cup percentage. But there are lots of good drivers who haven't gotten anywhere near MM for Cup wins--e.g., Ricky Rudd (23), Terry Labonte (22), Bobby Labonte (21). Bobby, of course, is not done yet. But MM can be proud of his Cup career, I'd say. Marty
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John McCoy 4 March 2005 06:09:40 [ permanent link ]
	"Michael McGaha" <michael@ronindev.com> wrote in news:d6FVd.20970$D34.4715@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com: If you look close, the expertise that Mark brings to Busch racing> never really left it. Mark learned to win in the Busch cars but has> never really transfered that over to cup. I think your history is maybe a tad disaligned. Martin started racing in Cup before he ran in Busch (altho he did win in Busch before getting his first in Cup). Martin's great success in Busch came when he started running Roush's #60 car, which was in the early 90's. Prior to that he had run his own Busch team (which as I recall was the #1 Carolina Ford or something like that), he had 3 or 4 wins with it, but nothing like the performance he had later. John
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Julia 4 March 2005 06:53:48 [ permanent link ]
	On 2005-03-02 12:56:43 -0500, John McCoy <igopogo@ix.netcom.com> said: Julia <julia.dmbangel2004@gmail.com> wrote in> news:2005030200041950073%juliadmbangel2004@gmailcom:>> exactly.... I thought that the chance to run a road race would be way >> too tempting for these guys ~ do you think it's the expense and >> distance from traveling to Mexico that held them back?.> Probably more sponsor commitments, test dates, spending time> with the family, etc, etc. Being where it is, it's probably> a four day deal to go run there, whereas picking up a race> at Nashville or Gateway or something like that is just fly> out one morning, fly back the next day.> John I suppose that you're right ~ the expenses/ time probably isn't gonna be worth the benefits ~ especially if it's bad weather (as it's looks like it might be)... -- .."your head can't rule your heart ~ a feeling is so much stronger than a thought"... $1 to Bono (U2) from "Vertigo"
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Michael McGaha 4 March 2005 07:37:37 [ permanent link ]
	"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote in message news:08re219bqi2noss0ihlh1ufo2c7p0t1j9n@4ax.com...> On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 08:24:31 CST, "Michael McGaha" <michael@ronindev.com> > wrote:> ... If you look close, the expertise that Mark brings to Busch racing >> never>>really left it. Mark learned to win in the Busch cars but has never really>>transfered that over to cup.> He's in the top 20 all-time in Cup wins (34 wins).> He's number one all-time in Busch wins (45).> I don't know how many starts he's got in Busch. I would guess> it's fewer than his Cup starts. So his Busch batting percentage> is higher than his Cup percentage.> But there are lots of good drivers who haven't gotten anywhere> near MM for Cup wins--e.g., Ricky Rudd (23), Terry Labonte (22),> Bobby Labonte (21).> Bobby, of course, is not done yet.> But MM can be proud of his Cup career, I'd say.> Marty> Oh I wasn't running his Cup career down. I would guess Mark is the winningest "loser" in NASCAR if you consider he's won so many races, gotten so many top 5s, but never won a championship. Michael --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004
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Michael McGaha 4 March 2005 07:38:53 [ permanent link ]
	"John McCoy" <igopogo@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:Xns960ED57ECC6EFpogosupernews@216.168.3.30...> "Michael McGaha" <michael@ronindev.com> wrote in> news:d6FVd.20970$D34.4715@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com:> If you look close, the expertise that Mark brings to Busch racing>> never really left it. Mark learned to win in the Busch cars but has>> never really transfered that over to cup.> I think your history is maybe a tad disaligned. Martin started> racing in Cup before he ran in Busch (altho he did win in Busch> before getting his first in Cup).> Martin's great success in Busch came when he started running> Roush's #60 car, which was in the early 90's. Prior to that> he had run his own Busch team (which as I recall was the #1> Carolina Ford or something like that), he had 3 or 4 wins with> it, but nothing like the performance he had later.> John> Nah. not disaligned at all. We're talking about "expertise" not "race starts." I don't think anyone would call Mark's first attempt at cup a success. Michael --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004
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Jim 4 March 2005 07:59:16 [ permanent link ]
	Hey Dan, DEI has no relation to Chance2 or M Waltrips busch teams. Mike owns his own team in Busch and only is a driver for DEI in Nextel. Same for Jr, He is the owner of Chance2 and it is not associated with DEI either. Basically all he is for DEI is a driver as well. I think that it is possible and even probable that he will bring his own Chance2 team into Nextel and leave DEI in a few years. Jim "Chuck Steak" <Chuck_Steak@nospam.com> wrote in message news:NsidnTZvwYoxy7vfRVn-gQ@rcn.net...> In article <36pVd.42233$Rl5.14859@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,> "Jim" <jimbragg@bellsouth.net> wrote:> At least the Team that> >MWaltrip has or even Chance2 are strictly Busch teams and are not crossover.> >Jim> But it's still all the 'little guys' running against DEI> no matter how you slice it, Jim.> Not many Busch teams have the resources of DEI/Hendrick/Roush spinoffs..> ----------------------------------------------> I got a new toolbox for my wife.> Best trade I ever made.>
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Jim 4 March 2005 10:28:39 [ permanent link ]
	That was my point John. MM is a BuschWacker in every way as he took the expertise and money from Rosch Racing and it poured into the Busch car. None of the other Busch teams could pony up the money to have such first-rate cars and teams. Some of them did double duty working for both set-up and to me, that just is not fair to those up and coming with limited funds that is common in Busch. Jim "John McCoy" <igopogo@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:Xns960ED57ECC6EFpogosupernews@216.168.3.30...> "Michael McGaha" <michael@ronindev.com> wrote in> news:d6FVd.20970$D34.4715@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com:> If you look close, the expertise that Mark brings to Busch racing> > never really left it. Mark learned to win in the Busch cars but has> > never really transfered that over to cup.> I think your history is maybe a tad disaligned. Martin started> racing in Cup before he ran in Busch (altho he did win in Busch> before getting his first in Cup).> Martin's great success in Busch came when he started running> Roush's #60 car, which was in the early 90's. Prior to that> he had run his own Busch team (which as I recall was the #1> Carolina Ford or something like that), he had 3 or 4 wins with> it, but nothing like the performance he had later.> John>
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Ed 4 March 2005 21:17:25 [ permanent link ]
	But don't the MW and DEjr connections to both those Busch teams and DEI make a relationship? Also, both Busch teams get their engines from DEI. Isn't that a relationship? Perhaps your point is that they are separate entities from DEI? Jim wrote:> Hey Dan, DEI has no relation to Chance2 or M Waltrips busch teams. Mike owns> his own team in Busch and only is a driver for DEI in Nextel. Same for Jr,> He is the owner of Chance2 and it is not associated with DEI either.> Basically all he is for DEI is a driver as well. I think that it is possible> and even probable that he will bring his own Chance2 team into Nextel and> leave DEI in a few years.> Jim
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Chuck Steak 4 March 2005 23:54:13 [ permanent link ]
	In article <RYQVd.874$6g7.491@bignews1.bellsouth.net>, "Jim" <jimbragg@bellsouth.net> wrote: Hey Dan, DEI has no relation to Chance2 or M Waltrips busch teams. Mike owns>his own team in Busch and only is a driver for DEI in Nextel. Same for Jr,>He is the owner of Chance2 and it is not associated with DEI either.>Basically all he is for DEI is a driver as well. I think that it is possible>and even probable that he will bring his own Chance2 team into Nextel and>leave DEI in a few years.>Jim Hey Jim, Understood. But do you by any chance know where they get their motors? How about the speedway bodies? Chassis/setup technology? Do you think that both Waltrip's and Earnhardt's Busch teams, have absolutely NO DEI influence in them??? Come on.... Michael Waltrip will probably retire having never won a non plate race. Yet he does quite well in the Busch series... Doesn't that sort of indicate he is in equipment that is perhaps a tad better than his competition? And not just another Busch team?? To think that Junior's/Waltrip's speedway Busch cars, especially, have nothing to do with DEI is somewhat naive, I would expect. But... I certainly have been wrong before. Dan ---------------------------------------------- I got a new toolbox for my wife. Best trade I ever made.
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Crusader 5 March 2005 01:19:39 [ permanent link ]
	"Michael McGaha" <michael@ronindev.com> wrote in message news:GJQVd.117$yp.110@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...> "Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote in message> news:08re219bqi2noss0ihlh1ufo2c7p0t1j9n@4ax.com...> > On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 08:24:31 CST, "Michael McGaha" <michael@ronindev.com> wrote:> > ... If you look close, the expertise that Mark brings to Busch racing never> >>really left it. Mark learned to win in the Busch cars but has never really> >>transfered that over to cup.> > He's in the top 20 all-time in Cup wins (34 wins).> > He's number one all-time in Busch wins (45).> > I don't know how many starts he's got in Busch. I would guess> > it's fewer than his Cup starts. So his Busch batting percentage> > is higher than his Cup percentage.> > Marty> Oh I wasn't running his Cup career down. I would guess Mark is the> winningest "loser" in NASCAR if you consider he's won so many races, gotten> so many top 5s, but never won a championship.> Michael> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).> Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004> May as well jump in here at this message with a FACT: Mark Martin has been at Busch Racin for 14 or 15 years & > 205 Starts and just like Cup, has never won a championship despite his All-Time Wins in NBS of 46. Is MM similar to BE, he cain't stand the pub so he decides not to be a Champ & endure all the pub? OR most likely MM is NOT a Champ? CRU is not in the fan-favorite 'Mr.Negative' MM's corner. I hope he & RW finish their careers just like they have for the last 5+ years. Even tho they don't want to finish like DW, they are going to be close to DW's ending stats. CRU thinks MM should have stayed in NBS & been a Richard Petty or a Frank Kimmel in ARCA. MM rose to a level of incompetence in Cup just like Principled Peter.
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Steve Scott 5 March 2005 03:14:23 [ permanent link ]
	C'mon Cru tell us what you really think. I will say MM seems quite nice in person. We saw him at Watkins Glen. He came out with a chair and signed autographs as long as someone was there. Made the comment at one time there no need to shove you'll all get your chance. Even signed my daughter's JG jacket. On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:19:39 CST, "Crusader" <cru32@comcast.net> wrote: Is MM similar to BE, he cain't stand the pub>so he decides not to be a Champ & endure all the pub?>OR most likely MM is NOT a Champ?> CRU is not in the fan-favorite 'Mr.Negative' MM's corner.>I hope he & RW finish their careers just like they have for the last 5+ years.>Even tho they don't want to finish like DW, they are going to be close to DW's ending>stats.> CRU thinks MM should have stayed in NBS & been a Richard Petty or a Frank Kimmel in ARCA.>MM rose to a level of incompetence in Cup just like Principled Peter. -- 'Be just, and fear not.'- William Shakespeare
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1RaceFan 5 March 2005 03:31:13 [ permanent link ]
	Chance2 is officially owned by Teresa Earnhardt not Junior. (She came to the Busch Banquet last year as the winning team owner) It is part of the DEI family and in fact the teams wears DEI clothes most of the time. They use DEI motors and their cars (8,81,11) all come out of DEI's fab shop. Michael's team is owned by Buffy, officially. It is run independently of DEI although I think they may use DEI engines.
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John McCoy 5 March 2005 04:29:06 [ permanent link ]
	Chuck_Steak@nospam.com (Chuck Steak) wrote in news:WcqdnW3_u6UQ67XfRVn-sw@rcn.net: Michael Waltrip will probably retire having never won a non plate> race. Yet he does quite well in the Busch series...> Doesn't that sort of indicate he is in equipment that is> perhaps a tad better than his competition? You can look at it two ways - one that Waltrip has better equipment, the other that a middling-mediocre Cup driver is equivalent to a top end Busch driver. Since some other middling-mediocre Cup drivers (e.g. Spencer) have done well in Busch driving for various teams, I tend to think it's not so much equipment. John
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John McCoy 5 March 2005 04:41:32 [ permanent link ]
	"Michael McGaha" <michael@ronindev.com> wrote in news:0LQVd.118$yp.87@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com: "John McCoy" <igopogo@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > news:Xns960ED57ECC6EFpogosupernews@216.168.3.30...>> "Michael McGaha" <michael@ronindev.com> wrote in>> news:d6FVd.20970$D34.4715@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com:>> If you look close, the expertise that Mark brings to Busch racing>>> never really left it. Mark learned to win in the Busch cars but has>>> never really transfered that over to cup.>> I think your history is maybe a tad disaligned. Martin started>> racing in Cup before he ran in Busch (altho he did win in Busch>> before getting his first in Cup).>> Martin's great success in Busch came when he started running>> Roush's #60 car, which was in the early 90's. Prior to that>> he had run his own Busch team (which as I recall was the #1>> Carolina Ford or something like that), he had 3 or 4 wins with>> it, but nothing like the performance he had later.>> John>> Nah. not disaligned at all. We're talking about "expertise" not "race > starts." I don't think anyone would call Mark's first attempt at cup a > success. No, I think you're still disaligned a bit. Here's a chronology: 1981-1983 - Cup, mostly with his own team, some races for JD Stacy and for Morgan McClure. Not a great success. 1986-1987 - Cup, a very few races for random owners. No success 1987-1990 - Busch, with his own team. 6 wins in 4 years. 1988-present - Cup, with Roush. First win in 1989. 34 wins in 17 years, not counting 2005. 1992-2000 - Busch, with Roush. 39 wins in 9 years. I would say that at best that shows Martin developing his expertise in the two series in parallel, and one could take from that that Martin's real development came in Cup in the years before 1992. John
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Jim 5 March 2005 06:50:46 [ permanent link ]
	That's basically what I meant Ed. They do not have the financial backing like MM has and the cars are not products of DEI like MM's cars are products of Rousch racing Jim "Ed" <bumbleroot@cox.net> wrote in message news:oK0Wd.21171$Sn6.4393@lakeread03...> But don't the MW and DEjr connections to both those Busch teams and DEI> make a relationship?> Also, both Busch teams get their engines from DEI. Isn't that a> relationship?> Perhaps your point is that they are separate entities from DEI?> Jim wrote:> > Hey Dan, DEI has no relation to Chance2 or M Waltrips busch teams. Mike owns> > his own team in Busch and only is a driver for DEI in Nextel. Same for Jr,> > He is the owner of Chance2 and it is not associated with DEI either.> > Basically all he is for DEI is a driver as well. I think that it is possible> > and even probable that he will bring his own Chance2 team into Nextel leave DEI in a few years.> > Jim>
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WildWeasel 8 March 2005 03:05:37 [ permanent link ]
	"Michael McGaha" wrote...> "Crusader" wrote...>> No knocking MXM, i very much appreciate yore non-confrontational pov.>> I think it sets the tone in this NG. I just wish more of us non-confronts>> would participate here. Oh well, guess we're just in the minority, & just>> do what we think is right so to do.>> Crunderstanding 2>> I don't think there are too many people that get confrontational in here. > That's just my opinion though, everyone has their own meter for gauging > reactions.> In an attempt to explain what Cru meant ... maybe I should stop right here ... NO, I'll continue ... Cru meant that RASNM is generally non-con and MXM sets that tone well and he wishes more people that like a non-con atmosphere and currently haven't joined would join our merry band. Right?
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Steve Scott 9 March 2005 00:06:44 [ permanent link ]
	That was your free pass or lucky dog. On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:01:39 CST, "Crusader" <cru32@comcast.net> wrote: Si, Senor Weasel>CRU-who hasn't had a warning email from MXM in awhile,>but thot fur shur would get one by bad-mouthing the other MM. -- 'Be just, and fear not.'- William Shakespeare
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Michael McGaha 9 March 2005 18:09:12 [ permanent link ]
	"Crusader" <cru32@comcast.net> wrote in message news:396b3mF5ufi88U1@individual.net...>> Si, Senor Weasel> CRU-who hasn't had a warning email from MXM in awhile,> but thot fur shur would get one by bad-mouthing the other MM.> Dang... you badmouthed me? I didn't even notice ;) and before anyone explains... I know he's talking about Mark. Michael --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004
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