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Eleven more years
Galloping.Moron 4 May 2005 21:10:49
	According to my gozintas if Jeff Gordon continues to win exactly one-third of the races for the rest of this season and the next eleven seasons he will be at the mythical 200 mark. I just posted that to give an indication of how amazing Richard Petty's mark of 200 wins really is.
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Carey Akin 4 May 2005 21:19:55 [ permanent link ]
	"galloping.moron" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote in message news:nm7ee.3298$Fa1.2174@fed1read02...> According to my gozintas if Jeff Gordon continues to win exactly one-third> of the races for the rest of this season and the next eleven seasons he will> be at the mythical 200 mark.> I just posted that to give an indication of how amazing Richard Petty's mark> of 200 wins really is.> Yes it is amazing, but you must remember, there were far more races per season then than now. Very few drivers would make every race, and Petty, for a number of years had the dominant technology. Carey in Manvel
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Galloping.Moron 4 May 2005 22:05:40 [ permanent link ]
	"Carey Akin" <cmakin@att.net> wrote in message news:%u7ee.179355$cg1.97375@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...> "galloping.moron" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote in message> news:nm7ee.3298$Fa1.2174@fed1read02...>> According to my gozintas if Jeff Gordon continues to win exactly >> one-third>> of the races for the rest of this season and the next eleven seasons he> will>> be at the mythical 200 mark.>> I just posted that to give an indication of how amazing Richard Petty's> mark>> of 200 wins really is.>> Yes it is amazing, but you must remember, there were far more races per> season then than now. Very few drivers would make every race, and Petty,> for a number of years had the dominant technology.> He also had the dominant driving ability.
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Somebody 4 May 2005 22:43:26 [ permanent link ]
	"galloping.moron" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote in message news:nm7ee.3298$Fa1.2174@fed1read02...> According to my gozintas if Jeff Gordon continues to win exactly one-third> of the races for the rest of this season and the next eleven seasons he will> be at the mythical 200 mark.> I just posted that to give an indication of how amazing Richard Petty's mark> of 200 wins really is. Petty ran fifty-something races per year, Gordon has run thirty-something races per year. Say 3/5ths of what Petty has. Using Gordon's current winning percentage to date, assuming that many more races per year, GJ would be at around the 120 win mark I estimate. This is over 12 years. Therefore, at the same pace he has done since the beginning, including the rookie years and the winless streak, he would have reached the 200 mark in another 6 or 7 years, if we ran that many races per year. Assuming that he is only competitive for another 6 or 7 years and starts to fall off to only a win or three per year in his 40's, he would probably finish out his career with somewhere in the neighborhood of 225 wins under that scenario. However, since they have run 33 to 36 races per year and will likely continue at about that many, he will never reach 200. -Russ.
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John Bowen 5 May 2005 00:23:17 [ permanent link ]
	I watched Richard Petty win Grand National races on DIRT on WEEKDAY nightt. Those are counted in his 200. I went to his first open house that he held for his fan club back in the 60's. He said his competition did not have the backing that Chrysler was giving him. He was a great competitor but you simply can't compare those days to the present. "galloping.moron" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote in message news:nm7ee.3298$Fa1.2174@fed1read02...> According to my gozintas if Jeff Gordon continues to win exactly one-third > of the races for the rest of this season and the next eleven seasons he > will be at the mythical 200 mark.> I just posted that to give an indication of how amazing Richard Petty's > mark of 200 wins really is.>
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Chuck Steak 5 May 2005 00:44:42 [ permanent link ]
	In article <Q98ee.3302$Fa1.2792@fed1read02>, "galloping.moron" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote:> "Carey Akin" <cmakin@att.net> wrote in message Yes it is amazing, but you must remember, there were far more races per>> season then than now. Very few drivers would make every race, and Petty,>> for a number of years had the dominant technology. He also had the dominant driving ability. Not really. If that were the case, he would have carried over his winning ways, when the competition got closer. When guys started getting better stuff, and ran more races, it was a whole different deal. Dan ---------------------------------------------- The biggest difference between marriage and a car battery, is that the battery has a positive side....
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Somebody 5 May 2005 04:23:05 [ permanent link ]
	<ndooley@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> wrote in message news:1115232971.982445.77280@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...> Somebody wrote:> > "galloping.moron" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote in message> > news:nm7ee.3298$Fa1.2174@fed1read02...> > > According to my gozintas if Jeff Gordon continues to win exactly> one-third> > > of the races for the rest of this season and the next eleven> seasons he> > will> > > be at the mythical 200 mark.> > > I just posted that to give an indication of how amazing Richard> Petty's> > mark> > > of 200 wins really is.> > Petty ran fifty-something races per year, Gordon has run> thirty-something> > races per year. Say 3/5ths of what Petty has.> > Using Gordon's current winning percentage to date, assuming that many> more> > races per year, GJ would be at around the 120 win mark I estimate.> This is> > over 12 years.> > Therefore, at the same pace he has done since the beginning,> including the> > rookie years and the winless streak, he would have reached the 200> mark in> > another 6 or 7 years, if we ran that many races per year.> > Assuming that he is only competitive for another 6 or 7 years and> starts to> > fall off to only a win or three per year in his 40's, he would> probably> > finish out his career with somewhere in the neighborhood of 225 wins> under> > that scenario.> > However, since they have run 33 to 36 races per year and will likely> > continue at about that many, he will never reach 200.> > -Russ.> It doesn't matter because Petty was in a class by himself, not only in> number of races run per year, but also in how easy it was to cheat (or> how easy it was to win when there weren't so many rules and templates> bogging one down). LOL. I understand that, but since you can't equate or project that forward, I'm just sticking with the number of races concept. At least that responds to reasonably simple mathematics. We could conjecture endlessly about how many races JG would have won running in the 60's, or how many races RP would win if he was in his prime today. The fact that JG is on a race win percentage rivalling RP's, in today's NASCAR, is very impressive indeed. -Russ.
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Galloping.Moron 5 May 2005 13:04:17 [ permanent link ]
	"John Bowen" <jmbowen4@verizon.net> wrote in message news:Vaaee.28445$r81.4811@trnddc02...>I watched Richard Petty win Grand National races on DIRT on WEEKDAY >nightt. Those are counted in his 200. I went to his first open house that >he held for his fan club back in the 60's. He said his competition did not >have the backing that Chrysler was giving him.> He was a great competitor but you simply can't compare those days to the > present.> You would not count drivers such as Pearson and Yarborough as competition? You think Kurt Busch and Matt Kenseth are tougher competitors than those two?
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Galloping.Moron 5 May 2005 13:49:00 [ permanent link ]
	It doesn't matter because Petty was in a class by himself, not only in> number of races run per year, but also in how easy it was to cheat (or> how easy it was to win when there weren't so many rules and templates> bogging one down). LOL.> The Jeff Gordon team has been caught cheating at least three times. There was the illegal intake manifold. And there was the illegal front axle spindle. And then there was that Winston where the entire car was illegal.
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John Bowen 5 May 2005 17:18:13 [ permanent link ]
	I am positive that Petty was refering to his competition in general he did not get specific.He also said that his operation was made up of family members who worked for a % of the winnings so they had to race as often as possible. Bobby Allison and he had some memorable incidents and Allison was an independant at the time. "galloping.moron" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote in message news:aklee.3361$Fa1.1003@fed1read02...> "John Bowen" <jmbowen4@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:Vaaee.28445$r81.4811@trnddc02...>>I watched Richard Petty win Grand National races on DIRT on WEEKDAY >>nightt. Those are counted in his 200. I went to his first open house that >>he held for his fan club back in the 60's. He said his competition did not >>have the backing that Chrysler was giving him.>> He was a great competitor but you simply can't compare those days to the >> present.>> You would not count drivers such as Pearson and Yarborough as competition? > You think Kurt Busch and Matt Kenseth are tougher competitors than those > two?>
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Chuck Steak 5 May 2005 18:24:23 [ permanent link ]
	In article <7_lee.3364$Fa1.2884@fed1read02>, "galloping.moron" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote: The Jeff Gordon team has been caught cheating at least three times. There >was the illegal intake manifold. And there was the illegal front axle >spindle. And then there was that Winston where the entire car was illegal. And Petty had big motors, and soft tires.... Are you suggesting that Petty never cheated?? Dan ---------------------------------------------- The biggest difference between marriage and a car battery, is that the battery has a positive side....
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43fan 5 May 2005 20:03:51 [ permanent link ]
	"Chuck Steak" <Chuck_Steak@nospam.com> wrote in message news:ArGdnZo7rZKnqeTfRVn-qg@rcn.net...> In article <Q98ee.3302$Fa1.2792@fed1read02>,> "galloping.moron" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote:> > "Carey Akin" <cmakin@att.net> wrote in message> Yes it is amazing, but you must remember, there were far more races per> >> season then than now. Very few drivers would make every race, and Petty,> >> for a number of years had the dominant technology.> He also had the dominant driving ability.> Not really.> If that were the case, he would have carried over his> winning ways, when the competition got closer.> When guys started getting better stuff, and ran more races,> it was a whole different deal.> And Petty was a whole lot older... and not in that great of health. ----------------------------------------------> The biggest difference between marriage and a car battery,> is that the battery has a positive side....>
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43fan 5 May 2005 20:07:12 [ permanent link ]
	"John Bowen" <jmbowen4@verizon.net> wrote in message news:Vaaee.28445$r81.4811@trnddc02...> I watched Richard Petty win Grand National races on DIRT on WEEKDAY nightt.> Those are counted in his 200. I went to his first open house that he held> for his fan club back in the 60's. He said his competition did not have backing that Chrysler was giving him.> He was a great competitor but you simply can't compare those days to the> present.> And for at least several years, Gordon's closest competition didn't have the backing that Dupont and GM were throwing at him either... "galloping.moron" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote in message> news:nm7ee.3298$Fa1.2174@fed1read02...> > According to my gozintas if Jeff Gordon continues to win exactly one-third> > of the races for the rest of this season and the next eleven seasons he> > will be at the mythical 200 mark.> > I just posted that to give an indication of how amazing Richard Petty's> > mark of 200 wins really is.> >
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43fan 5 May 2005 20:11:15 [ permanent link ]
	"John Bowen" <jmbowen4@verizon.net> wrote in message news2pee.13568$8e4.11231@trnddc09...> I am positive that Petty was refering to his competition in general he did> not get specific.He also said that his operation was made up of family> members who worked for a % of the winnings so they had to race as often as> possible.> Bobby Allison and he had some memorable incidents and Allison was an> independant at the time. One of the big reasons Petty ran all the races was that a lot of times, he was paid an appearance fee. Pretty much guaranteed that he wouldn't "lose" money going to it. I've said this many times before when people bring up the fact that he ran so many more races... remember that he did it with basically one car, trailer to haul it on, family for crew, etc, etc... No huge haulers with a backup car, no 15 car stables with a different car for each different track, no big buses to travel in, no private jet and helicopter to take you to and from the track. That side of the equation has to be accounted for as well. Oh, and stock bodied cars, sheet metal from the factory, full bumpers... somewhat "stock" suspension pieces... "galloping.moron" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote in message> news:aklee.3361$Fa1.1003@fed1read02...> > "John Bowen" <jmbowen4@verizon.net> wrote in message> > news:Vaaee.28445$r81.4811@trnddc02...> >>I watched Richard Petty win Grand National races on DIRT on WEEKDAY> >>nightt. Those are counted in his 200. I went to his first open house that> >>he held for his fan club back in the 60's. He said his competition did have the backing that Chrysler was giving him.> >> He was a great competitor but you simply can't compare those days to present.> >> You would not count drivers such as Pearson and Yarborough as competition?> > You think Kurt Busch and Matt Kenseth are tougher competitors than those> > two?> >
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Galloping.Moron 5 May 2005 20:40:26 [ permanent link ]
	"43fan" <sleap@pennswoods.net> wrote in message news:F5Cdnd4UH7ZA3uffRVn-iQ@hereintown.net...> "Chuck Steak" <Chuck_Steak@nospam.com> wrote in message> news:ArGdnZo7rZKnqeTfRVn-qg@rcn.net...>> In article <Q98ee.3302$Fa1.2792@fed1read02>,>> "galloping.moron" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote:>> > "Carey Akin" <cmakin@att.net> wrote in message>> Yes it is amazing, but you must remember, there were far more races >> >> per>> >> season then than now. Very few drivers would make every race, and> Petty,>> >> for a number of years had the dominant technology.>> He also had the dominant driving ability.>> Not really.>> If that were the case, he would have carried over his>> winning ways, when the competition got closer.>> When guys started getting better stuff, and ran more races,>> it was a whole different deal.>> And Petty was a whole lot older... and not in that great of health.> The King stayed around perhaps a lot longer than he should have for the good of NASCAR. All these current drivers care about it the good of themselves.
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Galloping.Moron 5 May 2005 20:42:40 [ permanent link ]
	"43fan" <sleap@pennswoods.net> wrote in message news:KN6dnbczm4kE2OffRVn-uw@hereintown.net...> "John Bowen" <jmbowen4@verizon.net> wrote in message> news2pee.13568$8e4.11231@trnddc09...>> I am positive that Petty was refering to his competition in general he >> did>> not get specific.He also said that his operation was made up of family>> members who worked for a % of the winnings so they had to race as often >> as>> possible.>> Bobby Allison and he had some memorable incidents and Allison was an>> independant at the time.> One of the big reasons Petty ran all the races was that a lot of times, he> was paid an appearance fee. Pretty much guaranteed that he wouldn't > "lose"> money going to it.> I've said this many times before when people bring up the fact that he ran> so many more races... remember that he did it with basically one car,> trailer to haul it on, family for crew, etc, etc... No huge haulers with > a> backup car, no 15 car stables with a different car for each different > track,> no big buses to travel in, no private jet and helicopter to take you to > and> from the track. That side of the equation has to be accounted for as > well.> Oh, and stock bodied cars, sheet metal from the factory, full bumpers...> somewhat "stock" suspension pieces...> And the drivers in that era did not have power steering, air conditioned helmets, or cool suits. These days anyone with a sponsor can race in NASCAR, even chicks.
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Galloping.Moron 5 May 2005 20:43:59 [ permanent link ]
	"43fan" <sleap@pennswoods.net> wrote in message news:8_KdnT7lk-M12effRVn-qw@hereintown.net...> "John Bowen" <jmbowen4@verizon.net> wrote in message> news:Vaaee.28445$r81.4811@trnddc02...>> I watched Richard Petty win Grand National races on DIRT on WEEKDAY> nightt.>> Those are counted in his 200. I went to his first open house that he held>> for his fan club back in the 60's. He said his competition did not have> the>> backing that Chrysler was giving him.>> He was a great competitor but you simply can't compare those days to the>> present.>> And for at least several years, Gordon's closest competition didn't have > the> backing that Dupont and GM were throwing at him either...> Correct me if I am wrong but I thought it was Dale Earnhardt who raced the official GM entry.
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Guest 5 May 2005 21:15:38 [ permanent link ]
	"galloping.moron" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote in message news:%1see.3392$Fa1.801@fed1read02... <snip> And the drivers in that era did not have power steering, air conditioned > helmets, or cool suits. Yeppers...how much could it cost for jeans, a t-shirt and a wet towel to chew on! ;-> -- Tom in Bristol ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----
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Chuck Steak 5 May 2005 22:47:21 [ permanent link ]
	In article <%1see.3392$Fa1.801@fed1read02>, "galloping.moron" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote: And the drivers in that era did not have power steering, air conditioned >helmets, or cool suits. These days anyone with a sponsor can race in >NASCAR, even chicks. The early days, a lot of races were only a hundred miles or so... Dan ---------------------------------------------- The biggest difference between marriage and a car battery, is that the battery has a positive side....
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43fan 6 May 2005 02:21:17 [ permanent link ]
	"galloping.moron" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote in message news:e3see.3393$Fa1.2015@fed1read02...> "43fan" <sleap@pennswoods.net> wrote in message > news:8_KdnT7lk-M12effRVn-qw@hereintown.net...>> "John Bowen" <jmbowen4@verizon.net> wrote in message>> news:Vaaee.28445$r81.4811@trnddc02...>>> I watched Richard Petty win Grand National races on DIRT on WEEKDAY>> nightt.>>> Those are counted in his 200. I went to his first open house that he >>> held>>> for his fan club back in the 60's. He said his competition did not have>> the>>> backing that Chrysler was giving him.>>> He was a great competitor but you simply can't compare those days to the>>> present.>>> And for at least several years, Gordon's closest competition didn't have >> the>> backing that Dupont and GM were throwing at him either...>> Correct me if I am wrong but I thought it was Dale Earnhardt who raced the > official GM entry. Official? Well, he ran the GM Goodwrench of course... but that was "GM Goodwrench"... If anyone thinks that GM didn't give tons of support, whether it was $$ or whatever, to Hendrick....
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John McCoy 6 May 2005 02:57:27 [ permanent link ]
	ndooley@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu wrote in news:1115232971.982445.77280@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com: It doesn't matter because Petty was in a class by himself, Eh? Google on "David Pearson". John
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Chuck Steak 7 May 2005 00:00:16 [ permanent link ]
	In article <Xns964DC02B92835pogosupernews@216.168.3.30>, John McCoy <igopogo@ix.netcom.com> wrote:>Chuck_Steak@nospam.com (Chuck Steak) wrote in news:uYSdnTCrnN2k9-ffRVn->uQ@rcn.net:> In article <%1see.3392$Fa1.801@fed1read02>,>> "galloping.moron" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote:>> And the drivers in that era did not have power steering, air conditioned >>>helmets, or cool suits. These days anyone with a sponsor can race in >>>NASCAR, even chicks. >> The early days, a lot of races were only a hundred miles or so...> Yeah - but 200 laps on a half mile at 60mph takes just about as>long as 200 laps on a mile & a half at 160.> John That may be true, John... But they run 325 at 1-1/2 milers.. they used run 150-200 at 1/3 and 1/2 milers.. In 1967, (a Petty year), there were 22 races that were 100 miles or less. I remember 18-19 second lap times on 1/3 and 1/2 milers 35 years ago. Takes >30 to go around 1-1/2 today. do the math... Dan ---------------------------------------------- The biggest difference between marriage and a car battery, is that the battery has a positive side....
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