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Re: Stuff to fix restrictor plate tracks

WildWeasel 4 May 2005 00:35:31
 
"Moonshine" wrote ...>
BUMPDRAFTING>
Na$car should ban the extra reinforcement teams put in the nose of cars for> Daytona and Talladega.>
If a driver bumps a car in front of them, the front valance and radiator> damage is all the penalty needed to stop the BUMP DRAFT.>
Make the nose piece material 1/2 as thick as used today or out of a more> brittle plastic.>
Perhaps a reinforcement bar that bolts near the radiator. Bang the guy in> front of you too hard break your cooling system.>

But then all you need is for the 20 to brake check the 48 and ... really, it
wouldn't surprise me to see some quick stops to punch in the schnoz of a guy
running behind you.

And if all these things don't fix it they could take away the seatbelts and> helmets? I am sure you would see a MUCH safer race and the teams would need> only 1 car for all four plate races.>


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Moonshine 4 May 2005 00:17:08 permanent link ]
 These are the things that control how fast a car can go around a track.

Horsepower - the more the faster
Weight/Mass - the more the slower
Drag - the more drag the slower
Tires - the more mechanical grip the faster (especially around the corners)
Gearing - depending on gear selection higher or lower top speed at given
motor RPM
Aerodynamics - down force and air resistance /drag
The Track - banking increases cornering speeds, longer straights increase
top speeds

NASCARS problem is trying to balance the above on TWO TRACKS.

Horsepower is the easiest thing to regulate without unbalancing the rest of
the package.

Adding weight would help by making the cars corner slower and accelerate
slower. The problem is they will stop slower. If the hit something the
mass will want to go through rather than around or deflect.

Drag slows the cars but punches a bigger hole in the air. This lets slower
cars following catch up faster enabling them to pass easier.

Having Goodyear design a tire with less grip could help by slowing corner
speeds. Problems arise when mechanical grip goes away the heat buildup
causes the tires to fail quicker and suddenly.

Changing gears can help. A problem now is the cars take so long to get up
to top speed. NOBODY WANTS TO LIFT. If they do they loose 10 spots. A
higher gear would help. What is to stop teams from changing the gears in
the transmission?

By eliminating the rear spoilers NASCAR would reduce cornering speeds -
ALLOT.

Raising the front valance and increasing the amount of air under the car
could reduce the down force on the entire aero package

Decreasing banking at these two tracks would slow the cars. I wouldn't
suggest changing turns 1-2 or 3-4 but perhaps changing the banking in the
tri-ovals is the answer. Talladega has talked about repaving for years.
This would be a good time to try to slow the speeds entering turn 1.



How about a chicane on the backstretch, nothing dramatic just enough to make
them lift a bit, bring the outside wall in about 30 feet 1/3 of the way down
the backstretch.


BUMPDRAFTING

Na$car should ban the extra reinforcement teams put in the nose of cars for
Daytona and Talladega.

If a driver bumps a car in front of them, the front valance and radiator
damage is all the penalty needed to stop the BUMP DRAFT.

Make the nose piece material 1/2 as thick as used today or out of a more
brittle plastic.

Perhaps a reinforcement bar that bolts near the radiator. Bang the guy in
front of you too hard break your cooling system.

And if all these things don't fix it they could take away the seatbelts and
helmets? I am sure you would see a MUCH safer race and the teams would need
only 1 car for all four plate races.









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Chuck & Zena Kinne 4 May 2005 03:32:52 permanent link ]
 Just go back to the way it use to be. Take off the plates and cars that
don't handle through the corner must simply slow down. That's the way it
works everywhere else. I don't buy the flying car argument anymore.

"Moonshine" <moonshine@yahoo.co­m> wrote in message
news:p­%Qde.5047$FE3­.1767@fe12.lga...> These are the things that control how fast a car can go around a track.>
Horsepower - the more the faster> Weight/Mass - the more the slower> Drag - the more drag the slower> Tires - the more mechanical grip the faster (especially around the > corners)> Gearing - depending on gear selection higher or lower top speed at given> motor RPM> Aerodynamics - down force and air resistance /drag> The Track - banking increases cornering speeds, longer straights increase> top speeds>
NASCARS problem is trying to balance the above on TWO TRACKS.>
Horsepower is the easiest thing to regulate without unbalancing the rest > of> the package.>
Adding weight would help by making the cars corner slower and accelerate> slower. The problem is they will stop slower. If the hit something the> mass will want to go through rather than around or deflect.>
Drag slows the cars but punches a bigger hole in the air. This lets > slower> cars following catch up faster enabling them to pass easier.>
Having Goodyear design a tire with less grip could help by slowing corner> speeds. Problems arise when mechanical grip goes away the heat buildup> causes the tires to fail quicker and suddenly.>
Changing gears can help. A problem now is the cars take so long to get up> to top speed. NOBODY WANTS TO LIFT. If they do they loose 10 spots. A> higher gear would help. What is to stop teams from changing the gears in> the transmission?>
By eliminating the rear spoilers NASCAR would reduce cornering speeds -> ALLOT.>
Raising the front valance and increasing the amount of air under the car> could reduce the down force on the entire aero package>
Decreasing banking at these two tracks would slow the cars. I wouldn't> suggest changing turns 1-2 or 3-4 but perhaps changing the banking in the> tri-ovals is the answer. Talladega has talked about repaving for years.> This would be a good time to try to slow the speeds entering turn 1.>
How about a chicane on the backstretch, nothing dramatic just enough to > make> them lift a bit, bring the outside wall in about 30 feet 1/3 of the way > down> the backstretch.>
BUMPDRAFTING>
Na$car should ban the extra reinforcement teams put in the nose of cars > for> Daytona and Talladega.>
If a driver bumps a car in front of them, the front valance and radiator> damage is all the penalty needed to stop the BUMP DRAFT.>
Make the nose piece material 1/2 as thick as used today or out of a more> brittle plastic.>
Perhaps a reinforcement bar that bolts near the radiator. Bang the guy in> front of you too hard break your cooling system.>
And if all these things don't fix it they could take away the seatbelts > and> helmets? I am sure you would see a MUCH safer race and the teams would > need> only 1 car for all four plate races.>


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Somebody 4 May 2005 20:38:55 permanent link ]
 
"EightDieLike3" <annika1980@aol.com­> wrote in message
news:1115210116.071­463.123320@f14g2000c­wb.googlegroups.com.­..> Why is everyone talking around the REAL reason> they hate restrictor plate races?> Jeff Gordon wins them!

People have been hating restrictor plates since day one, including the big
stretch of plate races where JG went without a victory.

Good try though.

-Russ.


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Mike Marlow 5 May 2005 08:20:58 permanent link ]
 
"Moonshine" <moonshine@yahoo.co­m> wrote in message
news:p­%Qde.5047$FE3­.1767@fe12.lga...> These are the things that control how fast a car can go around a track.>
Horsepower - the more the faster> Weight/Mass - the more the slower> Drag - the more drag the slower> Tires - the more mechanical grip the faster (especially around the
corners)> Gearing - depending on gear selection higher or lower top speed at given> motor RPM> Aerodynamics - down force and air resistance /drag> The Track - banking increases cornering speeds, longer straights increase> top speeds

Gee... I never knew that...
NASCARS problem is trying to balance the above on TWO TRACKS.

Nah - NASCAR's problem is trying to regulate too much period.
Horsepower is the easiest thing to regulate without unbalancing the rest
the package.

Why not consider upsetting the rest of the package?
Adding weight would help by making the cars corner slower and accelerate> slower. The problem is they will stop slower. If the hit something the> mass will want to go through rather than around or deflect.

Jimmy Spencer is living proof that adding weight does not benefit a race
car.
Drag slows the cars but punches a bigger hole in the air. This lets
slower> cars following catch up faster enabling them to pass easier.

Ahhh... but this is also the only solution proposed by anyone to date that
really puts the driver back in the picture. Well, that and narrowing the
tires a bit.
Having Goodyear design a tire with less grip could help by slowing corner> speeds. Problems arise when mechanical grip goes away the heat buildup> causes the tires to fail quicker and suddenly.

Not necessarily. Or at least, not to the point where it's a major problem.
It will result in different driving strategies in order to save the tires,
but that always was a part of racing back in those "good old days", don't
see why it shouldn't be a part of the strategy now.
Changing gears can help. A problem now is the cars take so long to get up> to top speed. NOBODY WANTS TO LIFT. If they do they loose 10 spots. A> higher gear would help. What is to stop teams from changing the gears in> the transmission?

Take some of the aero away and the problem with not wanting to lift goes
away as well.
By eliminating the rear spoilers NASCAR would reduce cornering speeds -> ALLOT.

My wife would hate you... Her pet peeve is people who spell "a lot" as
"alot". She'd really, really hate you for misspelling it so badly.
Decreasing banking at these two tracks would slow the cars. I wouldn't> suggest changing turns 1-2 or 3-4 but perhaps changing the banking in the> tri-ovals is the answer. Talladega has talked about repaving for years.> This would be a good time to try to slow the speeds entering turn 1.

Yes, they could do this but dirtying up the cars and taking away some of
the tire is a lot cheaper way of addressing the problems.
How about a chicane on the backstretch, nothing dramatic just enough to
make> them lift a bit, bring the outside wall in about 30 feet 1/3 of the way
down> the backstretch.

NO!!!! Not the dreaded chicane idea again. This is stock car racing, not
rally cars. Please - put the chicane ideas out of your mind. Why don't we
just put stop lights on the track to force the cars to stop. That would
slow them down just as well.
BUMPDRAFTING>
Na$car should ban the extra reinforcement teams put in the nose of cars
Daytona and Talladega.>
If a driver bumps a car in front of them, the front valance and radiator> damage is all the penalty needed to stop the BUMP DRAFT.

Why? The bump draft has been around for decades and it's used throughout
the entire race. It's not bump drafting that causes problems, it's doing it
at the wrong time. For every bump draft that gets blamed by DW for causing
a wreck, there are 1000 of them on the track that caused no problems.
Perhaps a reinforcement bar that bolts near the radiator. Bang the guy in> front of you too hard break your cooling system.

Or - don't bother trying to break the cars. Open up the packs and most of
your bump drafting problems of today go away.
And if all these things don't fix it they could take away the seatbelts
helmets? I am sure you would see a MUCH safer race and the teams would
need> only 1 car for all four plate races.>

Now that's an idea that hasn't been mentioned yet. A tip of the hat to ya
for creative thinking.

--

-Mike-
mmarlow@alltel.net


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