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Lead Changes at Cookie Cutter Vs Non Cookie Cutter Tracks
Mango 31 March 2005 09:45:56
	X-No-Archive: Yes OK, so just out of curiosity I looked at the number of lead changes at the "Cookie-Cutter" vs their similar but different "Non-Cookie-Cutter" track rivals as described throughout the 30 Yr Fan Thread above. People say they don't like the "Cookie-Cutters" because it is just follow the leader and no passing. Well the numbers below, from Nascar.com prove that the racing is far better at the "Cookie-Cutters" Fall California 29 (Cookie-Cutter) Summer Michigan 25 (Cookie-Cutter) Kansas 24 (Cookie-Cutter) Texas 24 (Non-Cookie-Cutter) Spring California 23 (Cookie-Cutter) Chicago 20 (Cookie-Cutter) Vegas 18 (Cookie-Cutter) Fall Lowes 18 (Non-Cookie-Cutter) Spring Lowes 16 (Non-Cookie-Cutter) Spring Atlanta 16 (Non-Cookie-Cutter) Fall Atlanta 16 (Non-Cookie-Cutter) Spring Michigan 16 (Cookie-Cutter) Based on that, it would appear to me that the best racing happens at 4 "Cookie-Cutters" and 1 "Non-Cookie-Cutter": California Speedway (Avg 26 Lead Changes) Kansas & Texas (Avg 24 Lead Changes) Michigan (Avg 20.5 Lead Changes) Chicago (Avg 20 Lead Changes) While the worst racing happens at 1 "Cookie-Cutter" and 2 "Non-Cookie-Cutters" With the much praised Atlanta being the worst of them all: Vegas (Avg 18 Lead Changes) Lowes (Avg 17 Lead Changes) Atlanta (Avg 16 Lead Changes)
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Always 5:00 Here 31 March 2005 11:39:55 [ permanent link ]
	"Daniel" <sabot120mm@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1112248712.349296.178130@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...> Mango wrote:>> X-No-Archive: Yes>> OK, so just out of curiosity I looked at the number of lead changes> at the>> "Cookie-Cutter" vs their similar but different "Non-Cookie-Cutter"> track>> rivals as described throughout the 30 Yr Fan Thread above.>> People say they don't like the "Cookie-Cutters" because it is just> follow>> the leader and no passing. Well the numbers below, from Nascar.com> prove>> that the racing is far better at the "Cookie-Cutters" <<snip marginally (at best) relevant stats>> Not to pick nits, but lead changes can be a bit decieving due to "lead> cahnges" that may happen during the cycle of pit stops. IMHO, good> racing has less to do with the number of lead changes, and more to do> with close, side by side racing. people in the stands also is a good> indication of the quality of racing. Just look at the number of empty> seats at LV and Fontana compared to the difficulty in finding tickets> to Bristol.> I wouldn't call that "nit-picking" at all, Dan. You raise an excellent point. While Mango mentions lead changes, he does not make a single mention (at least that I saw) of how many of those lead changes are passes on the track. As you said, anybody can lead a lap by staying out while the rest of the field pits. At Vegas this year, it seemed like the only time anyone caught JJ was out of the pits. Same thing with Biffle when he was leading early. Take out the pit stops, one of those two would have won the race anyways. -- "Jayson Blair must be writing your material, because that is absolute fiction."
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Alan J. Claffie 31 March 2005 13:47:36 [ permanent link ]
	"Mango" <mango.man@verizon.net> wrote in message news:WXN2e.31604$191.31366@trnddc02...> Hmmmm empty seats. Well let's see. At Vegas there are 0 empty seats. They> even put up temporary bleachers outside turn 3 this year for the overflow> and announced they are building the Petty Terrace to be in place by next> year to seat 16000 more. At Fontana there are 0 empty seats and the infield> is packed like sardines as well. Someone found empty seats at Fontana: http://insiderracingnews.com/MC/030205.html http://www.speedfreaks.tv/articles/164,1.html
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Frank Dwyer 31 March 2005 19:56:04 [ permanent link ]
	Mango wrote: X-No-Archive: Yes> OK, so just out of curiosity I looked at the number of lead changes at the > "Cookie-Cutter" vs their similar but different "Non-Cookie-Cutter" track > rivals as described throughout the 30 Yr Fan Thread above.> People say they don't like the "Cookie-Cutters" because it is just follow > the leader and no passing. Well the numbers below, from Nascar.com prove > that the racing is far better at the "Cookie-Cutters"> Fall California 29 (Cookie-Cutter)> Summer Michigan 25 (Cookie-Cutter)> Kansas 24 (Cookie-Cutter)> Texas 24 (Non-Cookie-Cutter)> Spring California 23 (Cookie-Cutter)> Chicago 20 (Cookie-Cutter)> Vegas 18 (Cookie-Cutter)> Fall Lowes 18 (Non-Cookie-Cutter)> Spring Lowes 16 (Non-Cookie-Cutter)> Spring Atlanta 16 (Non-Cookie-Cutter)> Fall Atlanta 16 (Non-Cookie-Cutter)> Spring Michigan 16 (Cookie-Cutter)> Based on that, it would appear to me that the best racing happens at 4 > "Cookie-Cutters" and 1 "Non-Cookie-Cutter":> California Speedway (Avg 26 Lead Changes)> Kansas & Texas (Avg 24 Lead Changes)> Michigan (Avg 20.5 Lead Changes)> Chicago (Avg 20 Lead Changes)> While the worst racing happens at 1 "Cookie-Cutter" and 2 > "Non-Cookie-Cutters" With the much praised Atlanta being the worst of them > all:> Vegas (Avg 18 Lead Changes)> Lowes (Avg 17 Lead Changes)> Atlanta (Avg 16 Lead Changes) Do you have the numbers on margin of victory?
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Mark C. 1 April 2005 02:38:19 [ permanent link ]
	"Alan J. Claffie" <aclaffie@rocketmail.com> wrote in message news:UsOdneBFtdjBWtbfRVn-uA@comcast.com...> "Mango" <mango.man@verizon.net> wrote in message> news:WXN2e.31604$191.31366@trnddc02...>> Hmmmm empty seats. Well let's see. At Vegas there are 0 empty seats. They>> even put up temporary bleachers outside turn 3 this year for the overflow>> and announced they are building the Petty Terrace to be in place by next>> year to seat 16000 more. At Fontana there are 0 empty seats and the> infield>> is packed like sardines as well.> Someone found empty seats at Fontana:> http://insiderracingnews.com/MC/030205.html> http://www.speedfreaks.tv/articles/164,1.html> Excellent link and thanks for posting: http://insiderracingnews.com/MC/030205.html "The only group I saw that had any "interest" problems were the little E fans. Not all of them mind you, but I did see a number of them bail out once Jr. started having his problems. Typical Californians though. In Martinsville, an Earnhardt in trouble just means that fan has more free time to boo Jeff Gordon. In California, it means a chance to beat traffic. Watch any Dodger baseball broadcast to witness this phenomenon in action, by the 6th inning folks are heading to the SUV corral." My SoCal impressions aren't changed at all...sorry Bud...you're alright... Mark C. Disclaimer: "Disgruntled 'cuz Labor Day racing isn't at Darlington as it is supposed to be and the racin' at Cal Speedway sux"
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