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Robby Gordon at Daytona
Electrician 26 February 2005 01:23:45
	I kept waiting for the big one to be caused by Robby and then realized he didn't make the field. He failed to qualify and, not only that, his crew chief picked up a fine for cheating. He lacks the skill to compete on talent and it looks like he can't even be competitive by cheating. Come on Robby, if you want to cause the mayhem on the track we've come to expect you have to qualify.
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Electrician 26 February 2005 01:45:40 [ permanent link ]
	In article <v6mdnZ0YnY3wBYLfRVn-jA@comcast.com>, flyhighfreeebird@aol.compost says...> junior was fined for cheating as well.> i'm sure you'll still blame robby for the big one anyway...> I was shocked at Juniors fine, he usually gets away with murder being the chosen one and all. But I'm sure NASCAR will more than make it up to him as the season progresses. It must have really hurt Robby's feelings when the Fox announcers started proclaiming Stewart the greatest active driver in the world. I mean when you're a legend in your own mind something like that must really sting.
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Electrician 26 February 2005 01:54:47 [ permanent link ]
	In article <XuidnbFFw_L3AILfRVn-1Q@comcast.com>, flyhighfreeebird@aol.compost says...> robby was not active at daytona!> He failed to quailfy but was there long enough for his crew chief to get a fine for cheating. That's why he was watching the race on TV.
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Batman 26 February 2005 05:28:45 [ permanent link ]
	Electrician wrote:> I kept waiting for the big one to be caused by Robby and then> realized he didn't make the field. He failed to qualify and, not only> that, his crew chief picked up a fine for cheating. He lacks the> skill to compete on talent and it looks like he can't even be> competitive by cheating. Come on Robby, if you want to cause the> mayhem on the track we've come to expect you have to qualify. NA$CAR winner, Busch winner, Cart winner, off road winner.......yeah he's got zero talent.
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Electrician 26 February 2005 07:26:48 [ permanent link ]
	In article <38a22dF5kuo8vU1@individual.net>, turbo@techie.com says...> NA$CAR winner, Busch winner, Cart winner, off road winner.......yeah he's>got zero talent.> The bonehead has three Cup wins, two of which were on road courses that are hardly representative of Cup racing. As for his one real win, well even a blind hog will find an acorn now and then. And even some of the worst drivers to ever get behind the wheel have won Cup races, the Bodine brothers, John Andretti, etc. And I never said he has no skill, just very little.
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Alan Jones 26 February 2005 09:02:32 [ permanent link ]
	Winning in other series means absolutely jack. Last year, he had zero poles, two top-fives, and six top-tens. You can call him a NASCAR driver if you must but RG is a 'very poor' NASCAR driver. On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:28:45 -0800, "Batman" <turbo@techie.com> wrote: NA$CAR winner, Busch winner, Cart winner, off road winner.......yeah he's>got zero talent.
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Alan Jones 26 February 2005 09:04:27 [ permanent link ]
	Oh yeah, and he had 'zero wins' in an RCR ride. On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 05:02:32 GMT, Alan Jones <me@alanjones.us> wrote: Last year, he had zero poles, two top-fives, and six top-tens.
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The original BP 26 February 2005 14:41:00 [ permanent link ]
	Alan Jones wrote:> Oh yeah, and he had 'zero wins' in an RCR ride. All three of his victories came in the #31 RCR car, chumpulon. His win % in an RCR car was pretty similar to Harvick, and better than Skinner, Park, Green, Sauter, Burton or Blaney. And I can't stand the guy. bp
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Alan Jones 26 February 2005 16:02:38 [ permanent link ]
	You need to look at the message I added the RCR comment to, chumpulon... On 26 Feb 2005 02:41:00 -0800, "The original BP" <posner889@yahoo.com> wrote: All three of his victories came in the #31 RCR car, chumpulon.
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Electrician 26 February 2005 20:14:12 [ permanent link ]
	In article <t_idnTfRHsJM-b3fRVn-2g@comcast.com>, flyhighfreeebird@aol.compost says...> road races = cup races.> A pure technicality. We all know road races are an aberration and there's only two of them in the entire season.
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Batman 27 February 2005 02:22:34 [ permanent link ]
	Alan Jones wrote:> Oh yeah, and he had 'zero wins' in an RCR ride. Proves nothing you top posting idiot. On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 05:02:32 GMT, Alan Jones <me@alanjones.us> wrote:> Last year, he had zero poles, two top-fives, and six top-tens.
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Batman 27 February 2005 02:25:31 [ permanent link ]
	Alan Jones wrote:> Winning in other series means absolutely jack. Winning in any top series whether it be Cup or Cart or IRL or NHRA or any of the rest of them is an accomplishment to be proud of. Absolutely jack is more a term to be used for your cut and paste way of making a living. Last year, he had zero> poles, two top-fives, and six top-tens. You can call him a NASCAR> driver if you must but RG is a 'very poor' NASCAR driver.> On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:28:45 -0800, "Batman" <turbo@techie.com> wrote:> NA$CAR winner, Busch winner, Cart winner, off road winner.......yeah>> he's got zero talent.
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Alan Jones 27 February 2005 02:34:53 [ permanent link ]
	It proves everything. No wins and very few top-fives and tens in an RCR car is very telling. Childress knows the car can do better and that's why he got rid of RG. RG had a lot of success in other series but he is not a good NASCAR driver. Being successful in other series does not automatically mean you are also a good NASCAR driver. He just does not have what it takes. On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:22:34 -0800, "Batman" <turbo@techie.com> wrote: Oh yeah, and he had 'zero wins' in an RCR ride.> Proves nothing you top posting idiot.
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Alan Jones 27 February 2005 02:36:53 [ permanent link ]
	Of course it is but winning in some other series does not make you a good NASCAR driver. On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:25:31 -0800, "Batman" <turbo@techie.com> wrote: Winning in any top series whether it be Cup or Cart or IRL or NHRA or any of>the rest of them is an accomplishment to be proud of.
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Frank Dwyer 27 February 2005 03:49:26 [ permanent link ]
	Alan Jones wrote: It proves everything. No wins and very few top-fives and tens in an RCR > car is very telling. Childress knows the car can do better and that's why > he got rid of RG. > RG had a lot of success in other series but he is not a good NASCAR driver.> Being successful in other series does not automatically mean you are also > a good NASCAR driver. He just does not have what it takes. He has just as many wins as Tom Pistone, Johnny Beauchamp, James Hylton, and Derrike Cope, among others. Certainly you don't think those guys didn't have what it takes? On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:22:34 -0800, "Batman" <turbo@techie.com> wrote:> Oh yeah, and he had 'zero wins' in an RCR ride.>> Proves nothing you top posting idiot.>
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Alan Jones 27 February 2005 03:57:26 [ permanent link ]
	If they have only one 'oval' win, they don't/didn't have what it takes. I consider 10 wins over a long career as being a 'good' NASCAR driver, especially if the driver was given a chance in good cars. On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 23:49:26 GMT, Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote: He has just as many wins as Tom Pistone, Johnny Beauchamp, James Hylton, >and Derrike Cope, among others.>Certainly you don't think those guys didn't have what it takes?
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Frank Dwyer 27 February 2005 04:15:36 [ permanent link ]
	Alan Jones wrote: If they have only one 'oval' win, they don't/didn't have what it takes. I don't think it matters what type of track it was. Those drivers I listed had what it took. I consider 10 wins over a long career as being a 'good' NASCAR driver,> especially if the driver was given a chance in good cars. But you don't even want to give Robby Gordon the opportunity for a long career. He's got 3 wins (all for RCR), 9 top-5s, and 24 top-10s in the last four years. Not too shabby if you ask me. Give him a "long career" and I'd bet he retires with at least 10 wins. On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 23:49:26 GMT, Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote:> He has just as many wins as Tom Pistone, Johnny Beauchamp, James Hylton, >>and Derrike Cope, among others.>>Certainly you don't think those guys didn't have what it takes?>
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Alan Jones 27 February 2005 04:36:24 [ permanent link ]
	On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 00:15:36 GMT, Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote: Alan Jones wrote:> If they have only one 'oval' win, they don't/didn't have what it takes.> I don't think it matters what type of track it was. Those drivers I >listed had what it took. Yeah, they had what it took for all of 'two' wins. I don't know about the old-timers you listed but Derrike Cope is not what I call a 'good' driver. I consider 10 wins over a long career as being a 'good' NASCAR driver,>> especially if the driver was given a chance in good cars. > But you don't even want to give Robby Gordon the opportunity for a long >career. He's got 3 wins (all for RCR), 9 top-5s, and 24 top-10s in the >last four years.>Not too shabby if you ask me.>Give him a "long career" and I'd bet he retires with at least 10 wins. RB has had a long career. And, he has been given four years with RCR. That's a lot longer than many get with top notch cars.
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4-X-Champ 27 February 2005 05:32:19 [ permanent link ]
	"Electrician" <electrician@xo.com> wrote in message news:of1Ud.30964$uc.6994@trnddc01...> In article <t_idnTfRHsJM-b3fRVn-2g@comcast.com>, > flyhighfreeebird@aol.compost> says...>> road races = cup races.>> A pure technicality. We all know road races are an aberration and there's > only> two of them in the entire season.> Was Riverside an aberration too? Everyone knows that any Cup driver who can win some road races is an exceptional cup driver.
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Alan Jones 27 February 2005 05:49:11 [ permanent link ]
	A driver who wins at 'all' of the various tracks on the circuit is exceptional. That means short tracks, cookie cutters, 2 mile'rs, road courses, and plate tracks. In the case of Robby Gordon, about 70% of his success has been on just road courses. He's more suited as a Scott Pruett or Boris Said type driver than as a NASCAR driver. On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 01:32:19 GMT, "4-X-Champ" <drive.for.five@in.2005> wrote: Everyone knows that any Cup driver who can win some road races is an >exceptional cup driver.
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Alan Jones 27 February 2005 07:25:30 [ permanent link ]
	Tony has proven himself to be a Cup champion. RG has not. And, TS has only '7' Busch starts with one win. TS has 7 Busch starts since 1998, and RG has 29 Busch starts since 2001. On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 21:01:37 -0600, zenit <zenit@seozark.usa> wrote: And Tony Stewart started over 40 Busch races with only one win...
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Zenit 27 February 2005 07:50:14 [ permanent link ]
	On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 03:25:30 GMT, Alan Jones <me@alanjones.us> had to open a new box of zerones to say: Tony has proven himself to be a Cup champion. RG has not. And, TS has >only '7' Busch starts with one win. TS has 7 Busch starts since 1998, and >RG has 29 Busch starts since 2001. Check Tony's record on NASCAR.com... He's had 42 Busch starts, with 1 win... RG has a better record in Busch than Tony... Does that make RG a better driver than Tony..? Of course not... It also does not make RG a "talentless" driver... There's bias afoot in this thread... Like I said... Playing with numbers... <! -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > zenit res ipsa loquitur riphst
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Alan Jones 27 February 2005 08:08:24 [ permanent link ]
	On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 21:50:14 -0600, zenit <zenit@seozark.usa> wrote: Check Tony's record on NASCAR.com... He's had 42 Busch starts, with 1>win... RG has a better record in Busch than Tony... The Yahoo stats on Tony are apparently incomplete, and nascar.com does not have any Busch stats on RG. I don't think we can be sure of how many NBS races RG has actually started. Does that make RG>a better driver than Tony..? Of course not... It also does not make RG>a "talentless" driver... There's bias afoot in this thread... I have not said 'talentless'. He can drive a stockcar on a road course but that does not make him a good NASCAR driver.
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WildWeasel 27 February 2005 08:22:05 [ permanent link ]
	"Al" wrote ...> The Yahoo stats on Tony are apparently incomplete, and nascar.com does> not have any Busch stats on RG. I don't think we can be sure of how many> NBS races RG has actually started.> Yahoo! nascar.com! What a bozo! http://racing-reference.com/driver?id=gordoro01
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Alan Jones 27 February 2005 08:35:29 [ permanent link ]
	Nice link. Thanks. I'm sure Zenit appreciates it too. On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 23:22:05 -0500, "WildWeasel" <wweasel_24@HooYah.com> wrote: http://racing-reference.com/driver?id=gordoro01
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Alan Jones 27 February 2005 09:10:40 [ permanent link ]
	On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 04:34:43 GMT, Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote: Numbers are too easily manipulated to support whichever position one >wishes. True. Tony Stewart has only one BGN win in 7 years. Robby Gordon has no wins, >but he's only been racing BGN for 4 years. If Robby gets one BGN win in >the next 3 years, will you consider him equal to Stewart in BGN ability? I don't think there can be any comparison between TS and RG. How a driver did in NBS is not a very good measure anyway. Look at Jimmy Johnson for example.
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Alan Jones 27 February 2005 09:12:41 [ permanent link ]
	Yes, that is a nice 'up to date' site. I used to use http://eracefans.com for stats but they took down their stats link for some reason. I imagine they got tired of keeping it current. On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 04:52:09 GMT, Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote: http://www.racing-reference.com/driver?id=gordoro01>(that site is one helluva repository - just wish the search function was >more intuitive)
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Alan Jones 27 February 2005 09:37:13 [ permanent link ]
	On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 23:30:44 -0600, zenit <zenit@seozark.usa> wrote: The Yahoo stats on Tony are apparently incomplete, and nascar.com does >>not have any Busch stats on RG. I don't think we can be sure of how many >>NBS races RG has actually started. > http://www.nascar.com/drivers/dps/tstewart00/bg/index.html That link doesn't address RG's stats. I have not said 'talentless'. He can drive a stockcar on a road course but>>that does not make him a good NASCAR driver. > You came in late... If you're going to get involved in a thread, try>to keep your posts in context... No, I've been in this thread from the start and I have been in context.
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Daniel 27 February 2005 15:39:43 [ permanent link ]
	Alan Jones wrote:> On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 21:50:14 -0600, zenit <zenit@seozark.usa> wrote:> Check Tony's record on NASCAR.com... He's had 42 Busch starts, with win... RG has a better record in Busch than Tony...> The Yahoo stats on Tony are apparently incomplete, Did you check the secret squirrel Yahoo group? You know, the one that you can't find but everyone else can.
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Electrician 27 February 2005 23:01:24 [ permanent link ]
	In article <2rl12116qh8htrnjrtbf8f551rdcc1uk2i@4ax.com>, zenit@seozark.usa says...> No, a troll is someone who posts incredibly stupid remarks that are>meant solely to elicit defensive responses... As I see it, you're>faced with a Hobson's choice; you're either a troll or a totally>clueless fan...> Whatever you say Einstein.
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Electrician 27 February 2005 23:11:16 [ permanent link ]
	In article <61n221dv37apduqhor2h531rejth07ea3c@4ax.com>, me@alanjones.us says...> No, I've been in this thread from the start and I have been in context. > You just don't realize that zenit is much more knowledgeable than the rest of us. Just ask him, he'll tell you.
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Zenit 28 February 2005 01:25:21 [ permanent link ]
	On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:11:16 GMT, electrician@xo.com (Electrician) had to open a new box of zerones to say: In article <61n221dv37apduqhor2h531rejth07ea3c@4ax.com>, me@alanjones.us >says...>> No, I've been in this thread from the start and I have been in context. >> You just don't realize that zenit is much more knowledgeable than the rest of >us. Just ask him, he'll tell you.> There are many in this group more knowledgable than me but you're not among them... <! -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > zenit res ipsa loquitur riphst
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