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Crusader 7 February 2005 04:56:14
	Y'all may have heard that the 'expert panel' at Inside Nextel Cup seen Mondays on Speed Channel had their 1 hour time slot expanded to 1 1/2 hours. It has been confirmed that Speed's 'Pit Bull' 1/2 hour show in '04 has been cancelled. Not TV but Internet--Matt McLaughlin's contributions to Racing One was eliminated before 2/1/05. Jayski posted that Matt was not renewed by the new owners of Racing One-ABC Promotions-owned by ISC and the France family. Anyone else see a pattern here? Suck-up Mikey & his fellow 'experts' Schrader, Benson, Kenny Wallace get an additional half hour added, BUT 'tell it like it is' Internet & newspaper journalists like Mike Mulhern, David Poole, Ben Blake, Matt McLaughlin, and even Marty Smith have their wider audiences cut back by 'owners'. So much for a 'benevolent' dictatorship, eh? I am a bit surprised that Speed Channel, owned by FOX, would give up their 'fair & balanced' so easily. Maybe FOX figured they could end up like ESPN, huh? As for me, i have taken Racing One off my 'Favorites List' and will continue to read Mulhern, Poole, Blake, Smith, & somewhere MMcL, via ESPN-Sponsored JAYSKI. Oh, Oh! Next? -- Crusader
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Wheeler 5 February 2005 20:14:40 [ permanent link ]
	Doug Main <dougmain@snipthisshaw.ca> wrote in news:m8YMd.273578$6l.249410 @pd7tw2no: Crusader wrote:> ...snip...> Suck-up Mikey & his fellow 'experts' Schrader, Benson, Kenny Wallace>> get an additional half hour added, BUT 'tell it like it is' Internet>> & newspaper journalists like Mike Mulhern, David Poole, Ben Blake,>> Matt McLaughlin, and even Marty Smith have their wider audiences>> cut back by 'owners'.>> So much for a 'benevolent' dictatorship, eh?>> I am a bit surprised that Speed Channel, owned by FOX, would give up>> their 'fair & balanced' so easily. Maybe FOX figured they could>> end up like ESPN, huh?> It's really quite simple. Fox pays NASCAR big $$ for tv rights. Nextel > pays Fox big money for ad space. Anything that harms the > Fox-NASCAR-Nextel-$$ interconnectivity is eliminated. Anything that > helps is enhanced.> If you want to see people 'tell it like it is' on television, look > elsewhere other than a Fox or Fox-owned outlet. Exactly. It's all about the Benjamins. Not that it matters anyway....it's sports after all. Some people tend to forget that. -- Wheeler
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Harrill Hamrick 5 February 2005 20:20:13 [ permanent link ]
	On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:59:06 -0500, "Crusader" <cru32@comcast.net> wrote: It has been confirmed that Speed's 'Pit Bull'>1/2 hour show in '04 has been cancelled. Pit Bull was cancelled because nobody watched it. I heard from informed sources that the ratings were awful. No ratings equals no advertising dollars. No ad dollars equals cancellation. hh Harrill Hamrick Engineer Performance Racing Network Concord, NC
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Alan Jones 5 February 2005 21:30:46 [ permanent link ]
	I'm no expert at making sense of the Nielsen TV ratings system. Could you, or anyone, look at last season's numbers and tell me why Pit Bull got a higher 'Average Audience' than Wind Tunnel with Dave Despain and other popular SC shows? WT got a 59 for the year and PB got a 75. http://nascar.alanjones.us/speed-channel-2004-ratings.xls Tell me if you have trouble getting the file. I'll email it if needed. Thanks. On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 11:20:13 -0500, Harrill Hamrick <harrill@no.spam.netscape.c0m> wrote: Pit Bull was cancelled because nobody watched it. I heard from>informed sources that the ratings were awful.
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Crusader 6 February 2005 00:22:53 [ permanent link ]
	"Alan Jones" <me@alanjones.us> wrote in message news:tmv9011jabrmkbg41p56lliil05hp1sjtj@4ax.com...> I'm no expert at making sense of the Nielsen TV ratings system. Could> you, or anyone, look at last season's numbers and tell me why Pit Bull> got a higher 'Average Audience' than Wind Tunnel with Dave Despain> and other popular SC shows? WT got a 59 for the year and PB got a 75.> http://nascar.alanjones.us/speed-channel-2004-ratings.xls> Tell me if you have trouble getting the file. I'll email it if needed.> Thanks.> On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 11:20:13 -0500, Harrill Hamrick> <harrill@no.spam.netscape.c0m> wrote:> Pit Bull was cancelled because nobody watched it. I heard from> >informed sources that the ratings were awful.> I'd say the time slot Sometimes on early Sat eve had more to do with their demise. I'd also say if they had one hour instead of a half hour they wouldn't have been so CNN Crossfire ish. Cru
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Alan Jones 6 February 2005 01:45:23 [ permanent link ]
	What are the other shows like Pit Bull? On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 21:46:19 GMT, Wheeler <jsebright@gmail.com> wrote: If Mulhern is worth his salt, he'll be picked by >somebody else in no time.
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Wheeler 6 February 2005 02:00:27 [ permanent link ]
	Alan Jones <me@alanjones.us> wrote in news:lhfa015u40ii1ngerbtnn1584pu3g7sm6i@4ax.com: What are the other shows like Pit Bull? > On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 21:46:19 GMT, Wheeler <jsebright@gmail.com> wrote:> If Mulhern is worth his salt, he'll be picked by >>somebody else in no time.> Maybe not a TV show, but probably another website. The problem with major sports is this: If a network doesn't have a stake in a sport, they're not going to do a show on it. That'd be like running commercials for other networks. If a network does have a stake in it, they'll do a show that is overall positive in nature. Don't want to damage their investment. ABC/ESPN might do something, but they want the next contract, so they're not going to do much to alienate themselves from NASCAR any further. -- Wheeler
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Wheeler 6 February 2005 02:01:24 [ permanent link ]
	Wheeler <jsebright@gmail.com> wrote in news:Xns95F4A9EE8722Fjw2468@ 69.28.186.121: We're all guilty of that from time to time.> I don't fault FOX or NASCAR for their actions. They're just protecting > their investment. If Mulhern is worth his salt, he'll be picked by > somebody else in no time. Oops, meant to type McLaughlin, not Mulhern. -- Wheeler
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Alan Jones 6 February 2005 02:17:37 [ permanent link ]
	I'm pretty sure McLaughlin was never on the Pit Bull show. On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 22:01:24 GMT, Wheeler <jsebright@gmail.com> wrote: Oops, meant to type McLaughlin, not Mulhern.
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Alan Jones 6 February 2005 02:23:04 [ permanent link ]
	Just to clarify, the McLaughlin deal is a whole different story from the Pit Bull thing while Mulhern was a regular on the SC show. I think the worst thing about the show is perhaps Mulhern and David Poole fought too much. On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 22:17:37 GMT, Alan Jones <me@alanjones.us> wrote: I'm pretty sure McLaughlin was never on the Pit Bull show. > On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 22:01:24 GMT, Wheeler <jsebright@gmail.com> wrote:> Oops, meant to type McLaughlin, not Mulhern.
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Wheeler 6 February 2005 02:53:58 [ permanent link ]
	Alan Jones <me@alanjones.us> wrote in news:oeha01p9ogiltmc5sgkpgcj4rdnqp9pr4t@4ax.com: I'm pretty sure McLaughlin was never on the Pit Bull show. > On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 22:01:24 GMT, Wheeler <jsebright@gmail.com> wrote:> Oops, meant to type McLaughlin, not Mulhern.> Yeah, I know. Cru was talking about how McLaughlin lost his job when somebody connected with the France's bought the Racing One website (I don't know the details, I've really never visited that site) -- Wheeler
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Alan Jones 6 February 2005 03:08:18 [ permanent link ]
	Btw, for the record and those who may not know, NASCAR has a deep, 'very strong', hatred for the various websites within the NASCAR community and racing world. They are an evil plague and not actual media. As with the Pit Bull show, NASCAR views any criticism as an assault meant to destroy or take over. On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 22:53:58 GMT, Wheeler <jsebright@gmail.com> wrote: Cru was talking about how McLaughlin lost his job when somebody connected >with the France's bought the Racing One website (I don't know the details, >I've really never visited that site)
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Alan J. Claffie 6 February 2005 08:23:56 [ permanent link ]
	"Crusader" <cru32@comcast.net> wrote in message news:36i28pF53f8pgU1@individual.net...> Suck-up Mikey & his fellow 'experts' Schrader, Benson, Kenny Wallace> get an additional half hour added, Someone tell SpeedTV that it's time for some new blood for this show. Half the cast isn't even in the Cup series anymore. Someone get them Carl Edwards' phone number.
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Alan Jones 7 February 2005 00:06:00 [ permanent link ]
	"Alan J. Claffie" <aclaffie@rocketmail.com> wrote in message news:36lkf1F52vq9uU1@individual.net...> "Crusader" <cru32@comcast.net> wrote in message> news:36i28pF53f8pgU1@individual.net...>> Suck-up Mikey & his fellow 'experts' Schrader, Benson, Kenny Wallace>> get an additional half hour added,> Someone tell SpeedTV that it's time for some new blood for this show. Half> the cast isn't even in the Cup series anymore.> Someone get them Carl Edwards' phone number.> I have all the drivers cell numbers. http://tinyurl.com/3k2w3 <---- nascar.alan.jones
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Crusader 7 February 2005 00:32:10 [ permanent link ]
	"Alan Jones" <me@alanjones.us> wrote in message news:4uja01d1rrm3hmfn9j3t8taqgcn8tq6l3v@4ax.com...> Btw, for the record and those who may not know, NASCAR has a deep,> 'very strong', hatred for the various websites within the NASCAR> community and racing world. They are an evil plague and not actual> media. As with the Pit Bull show, NASCAR views any criticism as an> assault meant to destroy or take over.> NA$CAR also has deep pockets & a long reach, but i don't think they can do much towards critic Monte Dutton-many newspapers, Jayski, Mulhern, and even Marty Smif at Turner's website Ndotcom. Well i suppose they could pull their hot passes one by one. CRU
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Alan Jones 7 February 2005 00:38:44 [ permanent link ]
	On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:32:10 -0500, "Crusader" <cru32@comcast.net> wrote: and even Marty Smif at Turner's website Ndotcom. I imagine NASCAR exerts a lot of influence on nascar.com since Turner Sports is only licensing the trademark. NASCAR could easily decide to shop the lease out and not renew with TS. Well i suppose they could pull their hot passes one by one. I would not put it past them to do such a thing. I have no doubt it has been done in the past.
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Alan Jones 7 February 2005 04:56:14 [ permanent link ]
	I agree. I don't think it is. I figure it's how NASCAR has done things from the beginning. It's what they're used to getting away with and I think they will have to learn the hard way. The criticism NASCAR receives is mostly because of their strong-arm tactics. 7-0 Iggles! On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 00:54:25 GMT, Wheeler <jsebright@gmail.com> wrote: Keep in mind, this is not a new thing.
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