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CarGuru > Mercedes > biodiesel 25 August 2005 16:42:24

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biodiesel
Joel Johnson 5 May 2005 19:56:26
	I've been using 100 0/0 biodiesel in my '82 300SD and '97 300E. I cannot tell any change in performance outher than decline of black exhaust. I've only run a few tanks. Are there any known or suspected problems with onging use of biodiesel?
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T.G. Lambach 5 May 2005 21:36:03 [ permanent link ]
	Bio100 (vs. Bio20) will dissolve all the old deposits in the fuel system so you may soon need to replace the fuel filters.
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Greek_philosophizer 5 May 2005 21:41:50 [ permanent link ]
	Where do you get bio diesel? .
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Joel Johnson 5 May 2005 21:52:17 [ permanent link ]
	Try www.biodiesel.org/ However. my source in Memphis TN is not listed. "greek_philosophizer" <greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1115314910.496821.139610@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...> Where do you get bio diesel?> .>
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Greek_philosophizer 5 May 2005 22:12:57 [ permanent link ]
	Nice link, thanks. If I every get that diesel I will definitely consider going B100 if its not too far. .
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Cp 6 May 2005 00:20:49 [ permanent link ]
	Nice link, thanks.> If I every get that diesel I will definitely> consider going B100 if its not too far. Make your own. A father of a friend of my brother just lets the dirty used cooking oil sit around for a while and settle and then puts it into his TDI, works great, saves thousands per year. For myself, I'm going to build a processor so I can have real biodiesel http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0970722702/wwwdataunlimi-20?creative=327641&camp=14573&link_code=as1 cp
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JensenC 17 August 2005 02:22:49 [ permanent link ]
	Anybody run 100% biodiesel in newer (2000 and up) TDIs? Just wondering if it works in the cars as is or if modifications of some kind are needed. Chuck
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HotRod 17 August 2005 18:46:51 [ permanent link ]
	are we talking about B20 Biodiesel or used vegetable oil??? I've heard, "just heard" that the only problems with the TDI's are fuel pump related but I'd investigate further. I'd assume that B20 would be fine. "JensenC" <farview at frontier dot net> wrote in message news:ddtp5d017td@enews3.newsguy.com...> Anybody run 100% biodiesel in newer (2000 and up) TDIs? Just wondering if> it works in the cars as is or if modifications of some kind are needed.> Chuck>
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JensenC 17 August 2005 19:56:30 [ permanent link ]
	Not veggie oil. B100 or 100% biodiesel is what I'm refering to. It's rather an academic question because I haven't seen B100 available. "HotRod" <NoSpam@YourEmail.com> wrote in message news:11g6jf7pu0dt888@corp.supernews.com...> are we talking about B20 Biodiesel or used vegetable oil??? I've heard,> "just heard" that the only problems with the TDI's are fuel pump related I'd investigate further. I'd assume that B20 would be fine.> "JensenC" <farview at frontier dot net> wrote in message> news:ddtp5d017td@enews3.newsguy.com...> > Anybody run 100% biodiesel in newer (2000 and up) TDIs? Just wondering it works in the cars as is or if modifications of some kind are needed.> > Chuck> >
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Numan 17 August 2005 20:35:01 [ permanent link ]
	"HotRod" <NoSpam@YourEmail.com> wrote in message news:11g6jf7pu0dt888@corp.supernews.com...> are we talking about B20 Biodiesel or used vegetable oil??? I've heard, > "just heard" that the only problems with the TDI's are fuel pump related > but I'd investigate further. I'd assume that B20 would be fine.> "JensenC" <farview at frontier dot net> wrote in message > news:ddtp5d017td@enews3.newsguy.com...>> Anybody run 100% biodiesel in newer (2000 and up) TDIs? Just wondering >> if>> it works in the cars as is or if modifications of some kind are needed.>> Chuck Does B20 mean 80% regular diesel and 20% bio? I have a TDI but have not used anything other than regular diesel.
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Tom R. 17 August 2005 21:38:34 [ permanent link ]
	I have not run the 100% although it is available locally if I want to go out of my way to get it. I did run a tank of the B20, 20% biodiesel. It was 50 cents more per gallon and my mileage went down. I decided that it was not worth going out of my way to get it on a regular basis. However, the local distributor will deliver it in 55 gallon drums to my house. It still was not worth the price. My owners manual says I can run B100 without any modifications. Tom "JensenC" <farview at frontier dot net> wrote in message news:ddtp5d017td@enews3.newsguy.com...> Anybody run 100% biodiesel in newer (2000 and up) TDIs? Just wondering if> it works in the cars as is or if modifications of some kind are needed.> Chuck>
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HotRod 17 August 2005 23:50:06 [ permanent link ]
	I think the biggest problem with any of this is cold weather, if you are going to try it try it in the summer not the winter.
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Woodchuck 18 August 2005 18:33:45 [ permanent link ]
	I have heard that VWoA is doing some testing on the bio stuff, but not sure what % will be OK. "JensenC" <farview at frontier dot net> wrote in message news:ddtp5d017td@enews3.newsguy.com...> Anybody run 100% biodiesel in newer (2000 and up) TDIs? Just wondering if> it works in the cars as is or if modifications of some kind are needed.> Chuck>
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Numan 19 August 2005 01:55:36 [ permanent link ]
	"Tom R." <tjraftery@comcast.net> wrote in message news:rdOdnVIZe7e_657eRVn-sg@comcast.com...>I have not run the 100% although it is available locally if I want to go >out of my way to get it. I did run a tank of the B20, 20% biodiesel. It was >50 cents more per gallon and my mileage went down. I decided that it was >not worth going out of my way to get it on a regular basis. However, the >local distributor will deliver it in 55 gallon drums to my house. It still >was not worth the price. My owners manual says I can run B100 without any >modifications.> Tom Wouldn't the only reason to use BioDiesel be that it is cheaper? Hmmm. I guess they need to work on that.
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Tom's VR6 19 August 2005 02:27:44 [ permanent link ]
	In rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled, Numan wrote: Wouldn't the only reason to use BioDiesel be that it is>cheaper? Hmmm. I guess they need to work on that. > I would guess you are not into recycling either.
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J.S.User 19 August 2005 04:50:51 [ permanent link ]
	"JensenC" <farview at frontier dot net> wrote in news:ddtp5d017td@enews3.newsguy.com: Anybody run 100% biodiesel in newer (2000 and up) TDIs? Just> wondering if it works in the cars as is or if modifications of some> kind are needed. Chuck> FWIW - back before prices went through the frickin' roof I ran a bunch of tanks of B20 over a 6-8 month period. There was a station right near work and it was generally around the same price (sometimes even cheaper) than the truck stop diesel. I had no problems at all, and got roughly the same mileage as 100% dead dinosaur. Then my office moved and it was 15 miles out of my way to get it, so back to regular diesel. One of the co-ops in the area has started selling B100, but it's more than a dollar a gallon more than diesel. I'm all for recycling, and do my fair share, but my family has to eat. That's a difference of $14 on a full tank (2002 Beetle). I can feed my family two dinners at home for that money. Just my 1/50th of a U.S. Dollar. jeff
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JensenC 19 August 2005 04:58:44 [ permanent link ]
	"Numan" <tbrdmann@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:st7Ne.3073$Z%6.1755@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...> "Tom R." <tjraftery@comcast.net> wrote in message> news:rdOdnVIZe7e_657eRVn-sg@comcast.com...> >I have not run the 100% although it is available locally if I want to go> >out of my way to get it. I did run a tank of the B20, 20% biodiesel. It 50 cents more per gallon and my mileage went down. I decided that it was> >not worth going out of my way to get it on a regular basis. However, the> >local distributor will deliver it in 55 gallon drums to my house. It still> >was not worth the price. My owners manual says I can run B100 without any> >modifications.> > Wouldn't the only reason to use BioDiesel be that it is> cheaper? Hmmm. I guess they need to work on that.> It may be cheaper than fossil fuel soon enough. When you count the indirect cost of fossil fuel (dependence on middle east, war, ravaging our landscape, damaged aquafers, etc.) biodiesel is much cheaper. Yes, we will pay the price, we just don't like to count the cost. Chuck
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JensenC 19 August 2005 05:34:27 [ permanent link ]
	"J.S.User" <User@jsuser.com> wrote in message news:Xns96B6D41654A41Userjsusercom@129.250.170.84...> "JensenC" <farview at frontier dot net> wrote in> news:ddtp5d017td@enews3.newsguy.com:> Anybody run 100% biodiesel in newer (2000 and up) TDIs? Just> > wondering if it works in the cars as is or if modifications of some> > kind are needed. Chuck> > FWIW - back before prices went through the frickin' roof I ran a bunch of> tanks of B20 over a 6-8 month period. There was a station right near work> and it was generally around the same price (sometimes even cheaper) than> the truck stop diesel. I had no problems at all, and got roughly the same> mileage as 100% dead dinosaur. Then my office moved and it was 15 miles> out of my way to get it, so back to regular diesel.> One of the co-ops in the area has started selling B100, but it's more than> a dollar a gallon more than diesel. I'm all for recycling, and do my fair> share, but my family has to eat. That's a difference of $14 on a full tank> (2002 Beetle). I can feed my family two dinners at home for that money.> Just my 1/50th of a U.S. Dollar.> jeff Yeah, I agree. B100 is too expensive right now, although hopefully it will remain stable when DD100 (100% dead dinosaur) gets up around $4+. Seems that it all diesel sold was B20 to B50 for a majority of trucks, buses, and heavy equipment it would make a substantial reduction in the need for foreign oil. Chuck
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Starburst 20 August 2005 07:07:45 [ permanent link ]
	It may be cheaper than fossil fuel soon enough. When you count the indirect> cost of fossil fuel (dependence on middle east, war, ravaging our landscape,> damaged aquafers, etc.) biodiesel is much cheaper. Yes, we will pay the> price, we just don't like to count the cost.> Chuck> Maybe, maybe not. How much fuel is required to grow the grain that produces the oil? How much to transport it? How much to refine it? If you're using recycled veggie oil, how much does energy does it take to transport it, clean it, refine it and blend it? And what kind of environmental impact is there in converting native scrub and prairie with irrigated fields? And how much energy to pump the water? ANd how much damage to the ecosystem by depletion of the aquifer? It's a complicated issue. I'd love to run greasel, but only because it's pure recycling (only straining out the pieces of french fries). But that oughtta be dirt cheap. You get what you pay for, I suppose. But don't pretend there's no environmental problems with running biodiesel.
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Drew Parsons 21 August 2005 16:52:13 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:56:30 -0600, JensenC wrote: Not veggie oil. B100 or 100% biodiesel is what I'm refering to. It's> rather an academic question because I haven't seen B100 available.> I just walk out to the barn and I can see a 50 gallon drum of B100 - made it myself. Here's a couple of sites you might wanna see: http://www.forums.biodieselnow.com/default.asp http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x?a=cfrm=447609751
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Thomas Curmudgeon 23 August 2005 23:32:27 [ permanent link ]
	starburst wrote: It may be cheaper than fossil fuel soon enough. When you count the >> indirect>> cost of fossil fuel (dependence on middle east, war, ravaging our >> landscape,>> damaged aquafers, etc.) biodiesel is much cheaper. Yes, we will pay the>> price, we just don't like to count the cost.>> Chuck>> Maybe, maybe not. How much fuel is required to grow the grain that > produces the oil? How much to transport it? How much to refine it? If > you're using recycled veggie oil, how much does energy does it take to > transport it, clean it, refine it and blend it? And what kind of > environmental impact is there in converting native scrub and prairie > with irrigated fields? And how much energy to pump the water? ANd how > much damage to the ecosystem by depletion of the aquifer? It's a > complicated issue. I'd love to run greasel, but only because it's pure > recycling (only straining out the pieces of french fries). But that > oughtta be dirt cheap. You get what you pay for, I suppose. But don't > pretend there's no environmental problems with running biodiesel. Think of it this way, if farmers were growing soy to make oil, they could use veg powered equipment to farm it. They're not making money growing wheat and corn at a couple dollars a bushel, but they could be profitable producing oil, then distribution networks could be created using veg powered trucks that produce far less pollutants. Brazil is instituting 2% diesel for all consumption, and lots of people are being put to work and making much more than the average wage. If we had something similar our reliance on fossil oil would be reduced, and farmers could make a profit without relying on government handouts from the tax base. In turn, production costs would be less than oil, and prices lower at the pump (less than $50 a barrell to produce, oil prices are now higher).
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Detailing Dude 25 August 2005 16:42:24 [ permanent link ]
	VW has run test and issued a statement on their site. They said we can use B5 only and further test are being conducted for future engines. Here is their quote: As a result of a major joint research project between the Volkswagen Group and the prominent agricultural products firm Archer Daniels Midland Company, and improvements in the specifications for biodiesel fuel in North America, Volkswagen has determined that diesel fuel containing up to five percent biodiesel meets the technical specifications for Volkswagen vehicles equipped with TDI engines imported to the United States. Therefore, the diesel fuel commonly known as "B5 biodiesel" is acceptable for use in all our TDI vehicles. The Link: http://www.vw.com/contactus/faqs.html#5.1 Cecil 05 Passat TDI
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