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Steam Cleaned Engine PROBLEM on 97 E420

Boltons@Teleport.Com 27 April 2005 10:13:52
 Hey Guys,

I'm in conversation with a detailing outfit that used high pressure hot
water to clean my 1997 E420 engine.
Well, a rough idle developed the same day I picked up the car. I had a
scheduled servicing done a week later (I basically parked the car during
most of that time; especially after the CHECK ENGINE light came on a
couple of days later) and the mechanic had to change the COP (coil on
plug) for #8 cylinder. He said it was all wet when he went to change
the spark plug. #4 cylinder COP wasn't that wet and he dried it off and
reinstalled the COP.
Fortunately for me, the #4 COP failed during the test run and it had to
be changed, too. Now, the car runs great!!! Including the price of 2 COPs.

The detail guy claims I should have brought the car back to them right
away to allow him to try to correct the problem - basically, blow it out
with air and/or spray it with WD-40. He claims to never had any
problems with cleaning engines and said any problems were usually solved
by blowing out and spraying with WD-40 (a contradiction in the same
sentence).

MY QUESTION:
Are COPs fixable by blowing out and flushing with WD-40? Or, do these
units short out and become inoperable? Can a COP be bench tested?
I have one of the COPs as exhibit #1.

Any similar experiences or horror stories anyone have that I may learn from?

Thanks in advance.

Hez of the Pacific NW
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Martin Joseph 27 April 2005 23:26:14 permanent link ]
 On 2005-04-26 23:13:52 -0700, "boltons@teleport.c­om"
<boltons@teleport.c­om> said:
Hey Guys,>
I'm in conversation with a detailing outfit that used high pressure hot > water to clean my 1997 E420 engine.> Well, a rough idle developed the same day I picked up the car. I had a > scheduled servicing done a week later (I basically parked the car > during most of that time; especially after the CHECK ENGINE light came > on a couple of days later) and the mechanic had to change the COP (coil > on plug) for #8 cylinder. He said it was all wet when he went to > change the spark plug. #4 cylinder COP wasn't that wet and he dried it > off and reinstalled the COP.> Fortunately for me, the #4 COP failed during the test run and it had to > be changed, too. Now, the car runs great!!! Including the price of 2 > COPs.>
The detail guy claims I should have brought the car back to them right > away to allow him to try to correct the problem - basically, blow it > out with air and/or spray it with WD-40. He claims to never had any > problems with cleaning engines and said any problems were usually > solved by blowing out and spraying with WD-40 (a contradiction in the > same sentence).>
MY QUESTION:> Are COPs fixable by blowing out and flushing with WD-40? Or, do these > units short out and become inoperable? Can a COP be bench tested?> I have one of the COPs as exhibit #1.>
Any similar experiences or horror stories anyone have that I may learn from?
Basically spraying high pressure water into a combustion engine is a
bad idea as you discovered. This is standard practice for many engine
detailers, but good ones know how to avoid the trouble spots and
usually leave the engine running, so they can tell if/when they are
getting something important wet (also the heat keeps critical areas
drier).

I would never clean an engine that way myself, as I would rather have
some dirt on the outside, then have water on the inside.

They might have been able to dry the Coils with pressurized air, or
more likely if you just waited, they would have dried out all on there
own and been ok.

Now you have new ones which is also ok.

Marty

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Pool Man 28 April 2005 06:30:20 permanent link ]
 i have always used GUNK foaming cleaner.
works good on a cool motor
garden hose rinse and it looks pretty good

the case, minus a few cans!


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Wan-ning Tan 28 April 2005 07:41:50 permanent link ]
 First, never spray water (especially cold water) on a hot engine. A
sudden cooling effect may warp something and that something may be costly.

Second, cover or avoid ignition circuit when cleaning. Water can
definitely disturb the high voltage spark generation. Depending on
where the short occurs, I believe component (coil, connector, wire)
failure is possible.

Last, completely dry the engine, especially electrical parts and wiring
before taking the car on road.

boltons@teleport.co­m wrote:
Hey Guys,>
I'm in conversation with a detailing outfit that used high pressure hot > water to clean my 1997 E420 engine.> Well, a rough idle developed the same day I picked up the car. I had a > scheduled servicing done a week later (I basically parked the car during > most of that time; especially after the CHECK ENGINE light came on a > couple of days later) and the mechanic had to change the COP (coil on > plug) for #8 cylinder. He said it was all wet when he went to change > the spark plug. #4 cylinder COP wasn't that wet and he dried it off and > reinstalled the COP.> Fortunately for me, the #4 COP failed during the test run and it had to > be changed, too. Now, the car runs great!!! Including the price of 2 > COPs.>
The detail guy claims I should have brought the car back to them right > away to allow him to try to correct the problem - basically, blow it out > with air and/or spray it with WD-40. He claims to never had any > problems with cleaning engines and said any problems were usually solved > by blowing out and spraying with WD-40 (a contradiction in the same > sentence).>
MY QUESTION:> Are COPs fixable by blowing out and flushing with WD-40? Or, do these > units short out and become inoperable? Can a COP be bench tested?> I have one of the COPs as exhibit #1.>
Any similar experiences or horror stories anyone have that I may learn > from?>
Thanks in advance.>
Hez of the Pacific NW

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Tiger 28 April 2005 18:45:15 permanent link ]
 Alot of time, when you first noticed rough engine after a wash, you can blow
out the water with air and everything should be fine. WD-40? No idea...
would not even try to use it.

However, if you continue to drive the car with water shorting out the coils,
it will ruin it.


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Boltons@Teleport.Com 28 April 2005 21:48:11 permanent link ]
 Wow Tiger,
This is definite information.
Have you had luck doing this - or, someone you know?
The DETAIL Shop claims they could have salvaged the coils by doing just
that. If it was the traditional distributor / coil combination, I'd
agree with them. With the COIL-ON-PLUG (COP), I don't know what to
expect. Anyway, the mechanic cleaned up one that was not as wet and the
other and it performed O.K. but later failed while he was finishing up
on the work.
Thanks a bunch for your input on this. One of the joys of buying a
"seasoned" (aka, older) car is that some or most of the secrets are
common knowledge, if you get into the right circle of folks.

Ciao for now.........Hez

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Tiger wrote:> Alot of time, when you first noticed rough engine after a wash, you can blow > out the water with air and everything should be fine. WD-40? No idea... > would not even try to use it.>
However, if you continue to drive the car with water shorting out the coils, > it will ruin it. >
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Guest 29 April 2005 17:39:24 permanent link ]
 "Tiger" <tiger0002@hotmail.­com> wrote:>WD-40?

Well, it _is_ a lousy lubricant, but it's original application was as
a Water Displacer, so it probably would have been worth a try. OTOH,
steam cleaning an engine has always struck me as a dicey proposition,
and replacing the effected parts is the definitiive cure...

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Tiger 29 April 2005 19:30:16 permanent link ]
 Ahh! Is that what WD means???


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Guest 19 August 2005 17:48:33 permanent link ]
 When I brought my E420 Sport to Ziebart for engine steam cleaning they
told me they wouldn't do Mercedes. I figured they had a good reason.

On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 06:13:52 GMT, "boltons@teleport.c­om"
<boltons@teleport.c­om> wrote:
Hey Guys,>
I'm in conversation with a detailing outfit that used high pressure hot >water to clean my 1997 E420 engine.>Well, a rough idle developed the same day I picked up the car. I had a >scheduled servicing done a week later (I basically parked the car during >most of that time; especially after the CHECK ENGINE light came on a >couple of days later) and the mechanic had to change the COP (coil on >plug) for #8 cylinder. He said it was all wet when he went to change >the spark plug. #4 cylinder COP wasn't that wet and he dried it off and >reinstalled the COP.>Fortunately for me, the #4 COP failed during the test run and it had to >be changed, too. Now, the car runs great!!! Including the price of 2 COPs.>
The detail guy claims I should have brought the car back to them right >away to allow him to try to correct the problem - basically, blow it out >with air and/or spray it with WD-40. He claims to never had any >problems with cleaning engines and said any problems were usually solved >by blowing out and spraying with WD-40 (a contradiction in the same >sentence).>
MY QUESTION:>Are COPs fixable by blowing out and flushing with WD-40? Or, do these >units short out and become inoperable? Can a COP be bench tested?>I have one of the COPs as exhibit #1.>
Any similar experiences or horror stories anyone have that I may learn from?>
Thanks in advance.>
Hez of the Pacific NW

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