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CarGuru > Mazda > Z-Car - Miata Comparisons (was Re: Modified Mazdaspeed 2006 MX-5) 24 April 2005 04:06:55
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Z-Car - Miata Comparisons (was Re: Modified Mazdaspeed 2006 MX-5)

Pws 14 April 2005 05:54:16
 Generic wrote:
I think your fears about the MX-5/Miata are unfounded for numerous reasons.

No fears, just complaints about the looks and increased size. It doesn't
really matter, I don't have to buy the car and I won't. I am sure that
Mazda will get along fine without me buying their new roadster.
1. The Z series had to adapt to changing emissions and safety laws in> the70s.

So did the miata, emission requirements are more stringent on a 2005
model than they are on a 1990 model. Even by 1996, safety requirements
had added a passenger side airbag and side impact beams in the doors,
for the purpose of increasing safety and with a side result being
increased weight.
2. They were competing against Mustangs and Camaros -- hence that stupid 2+2> body and mushy ride.

I never owned a 2+2 body style, (ugh!), and the ride on both Z's was
overly harsh if anything, the ride was far from mushy with the
aftermarket suspensions.
3. The Miata gained just 250 lbs from 1993 through 2006.

According to your former post, the difference between 1990 and 2006 is
365 pounds. This is a pretty large increase for a car that started out
at just over a ton. (2105 pounds)
4. The car market is fractured into little tiny niches today, with Miatas> selling 10,000 copies to people who want a light roadster.> 5. Most changes for '06 are for performance. It has a stiffer chassis,> wheels pushed to the corners, more powerful engine, etc. They added roll> bars and side airbags but it still has a manual top. If they made a 4> passenger Miata then you would have room to complain!

Oh, I have room to complain. This is a miata discussion group, no?
If anything the minimal changes show they stuck to their vision
remarkably> well. The roadster market is now packed with competitors so how exactly> could they change it without losing current buyers? It can't get bigger or> more expensive without losing its distinctiveness and becoming just another> S2000, Boxster, Z4, etc.>
-John>
[What a thought exercise...contemplate a 4 passenger Miata...!]>

I don't think we are going to agree on this issue, and yes, this could
be the thread that never dies. :-)­

Pat
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Generic 14 April 2005 06:05:54 [ permanent link ]
 
"pws" <pwshelton@austin.r­r.com> wrote in message
news:c3k7e.31$h6.11­@tornado.texas.rr.co­m...> Generic wrote:> > 3. The Miata gained just 250 lbs from 1993 through 2006.>
According to your former post, the difference between 1990 and 2006 is> 365 pounds. This is a pretty large increase for a car that started out> at just over a ton. (2105 pounds)

You previously mentioned not wanting anything past '94, so the 250 lb
difference is appropriate.
I don't think we are going to agree on this issue, and yes, this could> be the thread that never dies. :-)­

That much is clear from your replies to others, so end of discussion.

This is nothing for long threads! Try a political newsgroup or one with a
couple people feuding...

-John


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Dana H. Myers 14 April 2005 20:28:03 [ permanent link ]
 pws wrote:> Generic wrote:>
I think your fears about the MX-5/Miata are unfounded for numerous >> reasons.>
No fears, just complaints about the looks and increased size. It doesn't > really matter, I don't have to buy the car and I won't. I am sure that > Mazda will get along fine without me buying their new roadster.

So, Pat, how did you feel about the M2 when introduced?
Because, as far as I can tell, the M3 essentially the same
size and weight as an M2 with 20% more power and, we're told,
a substantially siffer chassis. I don't think you're complaining
as much about the changes in the M3 as those already in the M2.

Dana
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Josh 14 April 2005 20:46:13 [ permanent link ]
 Dana H. Myers wrote:
So, Pat, how did you feel about the M2 when introduced?> Because, as far as I can tell, the M3 essentially the same> size and weight as an M2 with 20% more power and, we're told,> a substantially siffer chassis.

Which incidentally, was approx. the changes from M1 to M2.

in fact, didn't the '99 weigh LESS than the '97, AND have more power?
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Dana H. Myers 15 April 2005 23:17:20 [ permanent link ]
 pws wrote:> Dana H. Myers wrote:
Well, there we go. Apparently we're not disagreeing that much>> afterall.>>
:-)­>>
Dana
I hope not, iirc, there was a mouth-watering invitation to dinner if and> when I ever make it out to California. :-)­

Of course the invitation stands! The weather is just finally starting
to settle into a warmer spring pattern, I hope. Even if we disagree,
as long as we're having fun doing it, you're always welcome.

Dana
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Pws 17 April 2005 07:56:10 [ permanent link ]
 Dana H. Myers wrote:
Of course the invitation stands! The weather is just finally starting> to settle into a warmer spring pattern, I hope. Even if we disagree,> as long as we're having fun doing it, you're always welcome.>
Dana

Well, it looks like I might be moving to Washington State this summer,
which is at least in the right direction, so I will make it eventually.
A great meal, some friendly debate over miatas, and a drive up the
Pacific Coast Highway through Northern California and Oregon, that
doesn't sound too bad. :-)­

If anyone has any insights to share on living in the Tacoma, WA area or
Washington State in general, please let me know, as I would be living
near Fort Lewis. If it is completely non-miata related, private e-mails
are welcome.

Thanks,

Pat
pwshelton@austin.rr­.com
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Generic 17 April 2005 08:15:02 [ permanent link ]
 
"pws" <pwshelton@austin.r­r.com> wrote in message
news:u7l8e.11389$hu­5.9031@tornado.texas­.rr.com...> Well, it looks like I might be moving to Washington State this summer,> which is at least in the right direction, so I will make it eventually.> A great meal, some friendly debate over miatas, and a drive up the> Pacific Coast Highway through Northern California and Oregon, that> doesn't sound too bad. :-)­>
If anyone has any insights to share on living in the Tacoma, WA area or> Washington State in general, please let me know, as I would be living> near Fort Lewis. If it is completely non-miata related, private e-mails> are welcome.

The stereotypes about rain are 1/2 true. It's gray and drizzly a LOT, but
it's between heavy fog and a storm. Winter is a series of chilly rainstorms
broken by a few cold and damp sunny days. Summer can be spectacular, with
little rain, lots of sun and highs in the 70s.

The most popular cars are Subarus and hard top Jeeps. A relatively high
percentage of the Miatas in the area have hard tops.

There's are many nice twisty roads for cruising around Puget Sound and in
the mountains. On a summer weekend the back roads can look like a classic
car show--everyone brings out baby in good weather. They must spend the
rainy days working in the garage, for the cars are nice!

I wouldn't recommend taking a convertible around the Olympic Peninsula
because the rain is intense facing the ocean (they have rain forests).

-John


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Dana H. Myers 18 April 2005 01:55:24 [ permanent link ]
 pws wrote:
Well, it looks like I might be moving to Washington State this summer,> which is at least in the right direction, so I will make it eventually. > A great meal, some friendly debate over miatas, and a drive up the > Pacific Coast Highway through Northern California and Oregon, that > doesn't sound too bad. :-)­

Come on down! I don't currently have a guest room but you're more
than welcome to crash on a very comfortable couch.

I've never lived in the Seattle area but I've visited there
a number of times over the years. My first couple of visits
were in the summertime, in June, and it was gloriously beautiful.
One of them, in 1988, to race at a 6-hour endurance road-race
near Auburn - on two wheels. The locals were taunting us
out-of-towners saying "You California boys are lucky it isn't
raining - this is the first race day this year it hasn't rained".

This was in June.

More recently, I've made a number of visits in the winter, and
it basically was either raining or threatening to do so most of the
time. Not torrential rains, often just incessant drizzle. No wonder
it's so beautiful in the summer.

As of yet, haven't had the chance to explore the local roads, but
I'm told they're excellent. Pat - contact me off-list and I'll
connect you with my rally-enthusiast friend from there.

I love visiting Seattle and the Eastside in the summer, and, in the
winter, it makes me appreciate Northern California :-)­ I'll report
on my experience when I'm up there for a few days, a week from today.

Cheers,
Dana
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Dana H. Myers 20 April 2005 07:43:13 [ permanent link ]
 pws wrote:> Dana H. Myers wrote:>
Come on down! I don't currently have a guest room but you're more>> than welcome to crash on a very comfortable couch.>
Now the question is, how long can I stay? I wouldn't want to impose on > you for more than 6 or 7 weeks. ;-)­

Heh. I'll let my wife and daughters play the bad cops.
Seriously, it sounds great, thanks! I will make it to the west coast > before too much longer, whether to live there or just to visit.

We'll leave a light on for ya.


[...]
As of yet, haven't had the chance to explore the local roads, but>> I'm told they're excellent. Pat - contact me off-list and I'll>> connect you with my rally-enthusiast friend from there.>
I'll do that when I am sure what I am doing. If I go, the estimated move > date is August 15th, but I will know for certain what I am doing by the > end of May or so, it sounds like it might be worth moving earlier to > enjoy the first part of the summer.

Excellent. Don't forget to contact my rally enthusiast friend.

Dana
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Pws 24 April 2005 04:06:55 [ permanent link ]
 Dana H. Myers wrote:> pws wrote:>
Dana H. Myers wrote:>>
Come on down! I don't currently have a guest room but you're more>>> than welcome to crash on a very comfortable couch.>>
Now the question is, how long can I stay? I wouldn't want to impose on >> you for more than 6 or 7 weeks. ;-)­>
Heh. I'll let my wife and daughters play the bad cops.

Now I know that I have to behave myself. I would rather drive my miata
through a minefield than suffer the wrath of multiple SWMBO. :-)­

See you sometime this year, I will give you plenty of advance notice and
I am good at not wearing out my welcome, except perhaps, on this newsgroup.

pat
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