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timing belt change needed?
Scott 19 March 2005 09:43:12
	My '91 Miata has about 29K real miles on the odometer and has never had the timing belt changed. Should the belt be changed, or should it still be good for 60K, despite its age? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----
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Dingo 19 March 2005 15:44:24 [ permanent link ]
	i had also a low milages 72.000 KM and had it replaced 2 years ago. recomendations are 100.000 KM or 10yrs. "Scott" <scott@mousepotato.com> wrote in message news:423BBBF0.5060707@mousepotato.com...> My '91 Miata has about 29K real miles on the odometer and has never had> the timing belt changed. Should the belt be changed, or should it still> be good for 60K, despite its age?> ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==----> http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups> ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----
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Christopher Muto 19 March 2005 17:47:58 [ permanent link ]
	ok, 60,000 miles or ten years... but i have a '95 with 100,000 and no records or memory of the previous owner having changed the timing belt though she owned it since 30,000... so is there an easy way to check it? some cars have peep holes for inspection for instance. of course i would rather wait until it hits 120,000 but perhaps i should have it done to be safe. all comments welcome and appreciated. thank you! ps. garage recommendations welcome for the greater metro nyc area appreciated. "dingo" <dingo@pandora.be> wrote in message news:sgU_d.41062$y06.3657848@phobos.telenet-ops.be...>i had also a low milages 72.000 KM and had it replaced 2 years ago.> recomendations are 100.000 KM or 10yrs.> "Scott" <scott@mousepotato.com> wrote in message> news:423BBBF0.5060707@mousepotato.com...>> My '91 Miata has about 29K real miles on the odometer and has never had>> the timing belt changed. Should the belt be changed, or should it still>> be good for 60K, despite its age?>> ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet> News==---->> http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+> Newsgroups>> ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption> =---->
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Pws 20 March 2005 20:25:50 [ permanent link ]
	Christopher Muto wrote:> ok, 60,000 miles or ten years... but i have a '95 with 100,000 and no > records or memory of the previous owner having changed the timing belt > though she owned it since 30,000... so is there an easy way to check it? > some cars have peep holes for inspection for instance. of course i would > rather wait until it hits 120,000 but perhaps i should have it done to be > safe. all comments welcome and appreciated. thank you!> ps. garage recommendations welcome for the greater metro nyc area > appreciated.> There is no easy way to check it that I know of. I have heard of people pulling 100K timing belts off that looked like they had plenty of life in them, and I have also heard of 60K belts that were already showing cracks. At 10 years and 100K miles, your's will definitely have some wear, but it could also easily make it to 120,000, or even 220,000, as I saw a Toyota Camry do one time. By the time that Camry died, almost everything had been replaced except for the engine & timing belt. Of course, your belt could also easily break during this time as well. FWIW, I planned to replace the belt on my last miata at 100K miles before it was totaled. I have heard of very few timing belts going out before then. My main concern was having it go out on a long-distance trip. Here in Austin I can either replace it myself or we have an excellent shop that specializes in miatas and charges very reasonable rates. Out on the road we are at the mercy of whatever shop is nearby when the car breaks down. pat
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Christopher Muto 20 March 2005 23:55:23 [ permanent link ]
	Thank you for your insight. If I were to read between the lines I suppose you are saying it is entirely possible and highly likely that it was never replaced and essentially impossible to tell by visual inspection if it had or had not been done. Sounds like I should make this a priority over cosmetic upgrades that I was considering. Thanks again. "pws" <pwshelton@austin.rr.com> wrote in message news:iuh%d.23574$Ux.11934@tornado.texas.rr.com...> Christopher Muto wrote:>> ok, 60,000 miles or ten years... but i have a '95 with 100,000 and no >> records or memory of the previous owner having changed the timing belt >> though she owned it since 30,000... so is there an easy way to check it? >> some cars have peep holes for inspection for instance. of course i would >> rather wait until it hits 120,000 but perhaps i should have it done to be >> safe. all comments welcome and appreciated. thank you!>> ps. garage recommendations welcome for the greater metro nyc area >> appreciated.>> There is no easy way to check it that I know of. I have heard of people > pulling 100K timing belts off that looked like they had plenty of life in > them, and I have also heard of 60K belts that were already showing cracks. > At 10 years and 100K miles, your's will definitely have some wear, but it > could also easily make it to 120,000, or even 220,000, as I saw a Toyota > Camry do one time. By the time that Camry died, almost everything had been > replaced except for the engine & timing belt. Of course, your belt could > also easily break during this time as well.> FWIW, I planned to replace the belt on my last miata at 100K miles before > it was totaled. I have heard of very few timing belts going out before > then. My main concern was having it go out on a long-distance trip. Here > in Austin I can either replace it myself or we have an excellent shop that > specializes in miatas and charges very reasonable rates. Out on the road > we are at the mercy of whatever shop is nearby when the car breaks down.>
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Pws 21 March 2005 03:41:31 [ permanent link ]
	Christopher Muto wrote:> Thank you for your insight.> If I were to read between the lines I suppose you are saying it is entirely > possible and highly likely that it was never replaced and essentially > impossible to tell by visual inspection if it had or had not been done. yes, if no service records were kept that mention a replacement, I would assume that it is the original belt. Sounds like I should make this a priority over cosmetic upgrades that I was > considering. That's probably more practical, but imo, a broken-down miata with a racing beat nose will at least look better than a broken-down miata with the stock nose. Thanks again.> No problem and good luck on the work. It is not a really hard job to do, but mechanics tend to charge a lot for it so it can be good to shop around since any competent mechanic can do it. You will probably save some money by buying the parts first from Trussville or Mazda South. It would also be a good idea to replace the water pump at this time, a friend of mine had her timing belt replaced about a year ago at 100K+ miles and they decided to reuse the water pump because it looked ok. That water pump just started to go out and it would have been much better to spend $75.00 or so for a new one at that time than buying it now and paying for the labor again. pat
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Lanny Chambers 21 March 2005 06:34:09 [ permanent link ]
	In article <Lyk%d.3523$191.3153@trnddc02>, "Christopher Muto" <muto@worldnet.att.net> wrote: Sounds like I should make this a priority over cosmetic upgrades that I was > considering. When you buy a used car, it's a good practice to make sure all the maintenance is up to date--a "baseline" for future maintenance. In addition to the timing belt, change all the fluids and both fuel filters, plus the air filter, spark plugs, and plugwires. While you're in there, clean all the chassis and engine ground points. And Pat is right on target about the water pump. I skipped it at 60k, and it started leaking at 114k. Replace the TB idler and tensioner pulleys, too. -- Lanny Chambers, St. Louis, USA '94C the alignment page: http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html
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Natman 21 March 2005 20:30:06 [ permanent link ]
	On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 23:08:16 -0700, XS11E <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote: Lanny Chambers <lanny@hummingbirds.net> wrote in>news:lanny-4F626A.20340920032005@newssvr12-ext.news.prodigy.com: > In article <Lyk%d.3523$191.3153@trnddc02>,>> "Christopher Muto" <muto@worldnet.att.net> wrote:>> Sounds like I should make this a priority over cosmetic upgrades>>> that I was considering. >> When you buy a used car, it's a good practice to make sure all the>> maintenance is up to date--a "baseline" for future maintenance. In>> addition to the timing belt, change all the fluids and both fuel >> filters, plus the air filter, spark plugs, and plugwires. While>> you're in there, clean all the chassis and engine ground points.>> And Pat is right on target about the water pump. I skipped it at>> 60k, and it started leaking at 114k. Replace the TB idler and>> tensioner pulleys, too.> According to miata.net the following parts should be replaced:> Timing Belt, Valve Cover Gasket, Front Crankshaft Seal, Accessory Belts >(they need to be removed anyway, so it can't hurt to replace them now >instead of waiting until they break), Anti-Freeze, (You need to drain >it anyway, so you might as well do it now.), Woodruff Key, Camshaft >seals, Water pump. > I agree the idler and tensioner pulleys should be replaced also.> A word about the camshaft seals, you don't need to replace them but >they're very likely to begin leaking a few miles after the timing belt >is replaced as mine are doing now. Why should the camshaft seals start leaking because you replaced the belt?
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Xs11e 21 March 2005 20:44:10 [ permanent link ]
	Natman <nat_mann@yahoo.com> wrote in news:shtt31dansuiqo0d7rlo63aidup0thj6c0@4ax.com: A word about the camshaft seals, you don't need to replace them>>but they're very likely to begin leaking a few miles after the>>timing belt is replaced as mine are doing now. > Why should the camshaft seals start leaking because you replaced> the belt? For the same reason you'll have a flat tire if you leave the jack home, Murphy's Law. Since you'll have to repeat all the labor of changing the timing belt in order to replace them of course they'll start leaking if you don't change them the first time. BTW, If you do change them, they'll be in perfect condition and could have gone a million miles w/o leaking, that's also due to Murphy's Law.
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Xs11e 21 March 2005 23:11:56 [ permanent link ]
	"Christopher Muto" <muto@worldnet.att.net> wrote in news:TTD%d.14592$UV2.485@trnddc04: Is the woodruff key also know as the timing tensioner spring? No, it's the key that keeps the crankshaft sprocket from turning on the crank shaft. Sometimes they tend to wear so replacement will keep things tight. Also, is replacing the timing belt tensioner pulley> recommended/necessary? This is for a '95 Tripple Black. It can't hurt but I'd check it very carefully and then decide. Take a look here: http://www.miata.net/garage/timingbelt.html Be sure to scroll down to the bottom so you read the whole thing, then at the top click on the "additional photos" link, you'll see the Woodruff key sticking out in the pic of the crankshaft sprocket after removal of the pulley.
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Frank Berger 22 March 2005 01:39:23 [ permanent link ]
	"Lanny Chambers" <lanny@hummingbirds.net> wrote in message news:lanny-4F626A.20340920032005@newssvr12-ext.news.prodigy.com...> In article <Lyk%d.3523$191.3153@trnddc02>,> "Christopher Muto" <muto@worldnet.att.net> wrote:> Sounds like I should make this a priority over cosmetic upgrades that I considering.> When you buy a used car, it's a good practice to make sure all the> maintenance is up to date--a "baseline" for future maintenance. In> addition to the timing belt, change all the fluids and both fuel> filters, plus the air filter, spark plugs, and plugwires. While you're> in there, clean all the chassis and engine ground points.> And Pat is right on target about the water pump. I skipped it at 60k,> and it started leaking at 114k. Replace the TB idler and tensioner> pulleys, too.> -- > Lanny Chambers, St. Louis, USA> '94C> the alignment page:> http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html My Mazda dealer recommended against an automatic water pump change. They preferred to inspect the existing pump and decide on that basis. I was completely prepared to pay for a new pump and said so. I don't know why they would follow this policy if it wasn't sound I know, I know - they're hoping for a bigger repair bill later. Except I don't believe that. A few examples of pumps failing shortly after a belt change doesn't prove anything. In your example, you were practically due for a new belt anyway.
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Xs11e 22 March 2005 02:13:08 [ permanent link ]
	"Frank Berger" <frank.d.berger@dal.frb.org> wrote in news:1111440828.054799dbd802053dce59ce6664f7cc2d@teranews: My Mazda dealer recommended against an automatic water pump> change. They preferred to inspect the existing pump and decide on> that basis. Bad idea. In 50 years of fooling with cars professionally and as a hobbyist, I've never seen a water pump that looked any different before failing. A brand new pump looks exactly like an old one the day before it starts "weeping" and once they do begin to weep, the life span is usually only days. I was completely prepared to pay for a new pump and> said so. I don't know why they would follow this policy if it> wasn't sound I have no idea why they'd do that? A few examples of pumps failing shortly after a belt change doesn't > prove anything. What does prove something is that the belt replacement is recommended at 60,000 miles and the life span of the water pump is usually figured to be 50,000 miles. The pump should be automatically replaced unless it's already been done, but if that were the case wouldn't the timing belt have also been replaced at the same time?
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Lanny Chambers 22 March 2005 03:12:39 [ permanent link ]
	In article <1111440828.054799dbd802053dce59ce6664f7cc2d@teranews>, "Frank Berger" <frank.d.berger@dal.frb.org> wrote: And Pat is right on target about the water pump. I skipped it at 60k,> > and it started leaking at 114k.> In your example, you were practically due for a new belt anyway. Correct, if 6000 miles is "almost." Naturally, I did the TB (again) while it was apart. BTW, both of my pulleys were dry and ready to seize; they may or may not have reached 120k. I don't consider any of this a big deal, just normal maintenance. The car is so cheap to own otherwise, I can't complain about such things. My point was only that it might be foolish not to replace the water pump on a 100,000-mile Miata, as long as it was down for a TB change. Ditto the pulleys -- Lanny Chambers, St. Louis, USA '94C the alignment page: http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html
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Natman 22 March 2005 03:22:24 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:13:08 -0700, XS11E <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote: "Frank Berger" <frank.d.berger@dal.frb.org> wrote in>news:1111440828.054799dbd802053dce59ce6664f7cc2d@teranews: > My Mazda dealer recommended against an automatic water pump>> change. They preferred to inspect the existing pump and decide on>> that basis.> Bad idea. In 50 years of fooling with cars professionally and as a >hobbyist, I've never seen a water pump that looked any different before >failing. A brand new pump looks exactly like an old one the day before >it starts "weeping" and once they do begin to weep, the life span is >usually only days.> I was completely prepared to pay for a new pump and>> said so. I don't know why they would follow this policy if it>> wasn't sound> I have no idea why they'd do that?> A few examples of pumps failing shortly after a belt change doesn't >> prove anything. > What does prove something is that the belt replacement is recommended >at 60,000 miles and the life span of the water pump is usually figured >to be 50,000 miles. By whom? 50,000 miles for the water pump's life span sounds awfully short.
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Xs11e 22 March 2005 04:04:01 [ permanent link ]
	Natman <nat_mann@yahoo.com> wrote in news:illu31pd5k7v3tefpishvmrnfl9s8jrp6s@4ax.com: What does prove something is that the belt replacement is>>recommended at 60,000 miles and the life span of the water pump is>>usually figured to be 50,000 miles. > By whom? 50,000 miles for the water pump's life span sounds> awfully short. It's actually fairly long, 30,000 miles might be a bit closer to average.
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Natman 22 March 2005 06:25:33 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:04:01 -0700, XS11E <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote: Natman <nat_mann@yahoo.com> wrote in>news:illu31pd5k7v3tefpishvmrnfl9s8jrp6s@4ax.com: > What does prove something is that the belt replacement is>>>recommended at 60,000 miles and the life span of the water pump is>>>usually figured to be 50,000 miles. >> By whom? 50,000 miles for the water pump's life span sounds>> awfully short.> It's actually fairly long, 30,000 miles might be a bit closer to >average.> So if you change the pump when you change your belt at 60K, then you've beaten the average water pump life by a factor of 100%? Then the average guy is going to have to change the water pump TWICE for every belt change? I don't think so. You really ought to think these things through before you make up your "facts".
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Generic 22 March 2005 06:26:02 [ permanent link ]
	"XS11E" <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message news:Xns9620AD9DEEB6Axs11eyahoocom@68.6.19.6...> Natman <nat_mann@yahoo.com> wrote in> news:illu31pd5k7v3tefpishvmrnfl9s8jrp6s@4ax.com:> What does prove something is that the belt replacement is> >>recommended at 60,000 miles and the life span of the water pump is> >>usually figured to be 50,000 miles.> > By whom? 50,000 miles for the water pump's life span sounds> > awfully short.> It's actually fairly long, 30,000 miles might be a bit closer to> average. What brand of car? What era? My old car (Toyota) went 175,000 on the original water pump. The car got retired for other reasons but the water pump was still going strong. -John
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Xs11e 22 March 2005 06:40:00 [ permanent link ]
	"Generic" <generic@scientist.com> wrote in news:423f8281$0$8910$a32e20b9@news.nntpservers.com: "XS11E" <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message> news:Xns9620AD9DEEB6Axs11eyahoocom@68.6.19.6...>> Natman <nat_mann@yahoo.com> wrote in>> news:illu31pd5k7v3tefpishvmrnfl9s8jrp6s@4ax.com: >> What does prove something is that the belt replacement is>> >>recommended at 60,000 miles and the life span of the water pump>> >>is usually figured to be 50,000 miles. >> > By whom? 50,000 miles for the water pump's life span sounds>> > awfully short. >> It's actually fairly long, 30,000 miles might be a bit closer to>> average. > What brand of car? What era? My old car (Toyota) went 175,000 on> the original water pump. The car got retired for other reasons but> the water pump was still going strong. There's exceptions to every rule.
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Dana H. Myers 22 March 2005 07:06:33 [ permanent link ]
	XS11E wrote:> Natman <nat_mann@yahoo.com> wrote in> news:illu31pd5k7v3tefpishvmrnfl9s8jrp6s@4ax.com: > What does prove something is that the belt replacement is>>>recommended at 60,000 miles and the life span of the water pump is>>>usually figured to be 50,000 miles. >> By whom? 50,000 miles for the water pump's life span sounds>>awfully short.> It's actually fairly long, 30,000 miles might be a bit closer to > average. Wow. My experience with the cars I bought in the 1990s. '91 Nissan Sentra, 170k miles before I sold it, no water pump leak. '93 Geo Prism, 60k miles before trade-in, no water pump leak. '98 Chevy Monte Carlo, 122k miles so far, no water pump leak. '98 Ford Windstar, 120k miles, sold it, no water pump leak. So I must be really lucky? Dana
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Frank Berger 22 March 2005 07:08:53 [ permanent link ]
	"XS11E" <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message news:Xns9620AD9DEEB6Axs11eyahoocom@68.6.19.6...> Natman <nat_mann@yahoo.com> wrote in> news:illu31pd5k7v3tefpishvmrnfl9s8jrp6s@4ax.com:> What does prove something is that the belt replacement is> >>recommended at 60,000 miles and the life span of the water pump is> >>usually figured to be 50,000 miles.> > By whom? 50,000 miles for the water pump's life span sounds> > awfully short.> It's actually fairly long, 30,000 miles might be a bit closer to> average.> You may be right, but that figure sounds so outlandish no one is going to believe you. I've never had a car where the water pump failed before 80,000 or maybe even 100,000 miles. That includes a 1969 VW Squareback, a 1973 Audi 100 LS (the water pump was about the only thing that DIDN'T fail on that car). a 1976 VW Rabbit, a 1979 Buick LeSabre, a 1985 Dodge Caravan, a 1992 Nissan Sentra, a 2000 Ford Explorer and a 1996 Miata.
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Bruce Haskin 22 March 2005 07:10:36 [ permanent link ]
	Gee, how much later on Japanese cars. I just sold a 1989 Camry 4 cyl with 232.000 + miles on it. Two belt changes and a clutch at 225,00. The water pump was still going when I sold it. You might think more about changing your coolant mix more. That is the real killer of water pumps ! People just don't pay attention to the coolant like they should !! Bruce RED '91
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Pws 22 March 2005 07:18:22 [ permanent link ]
	"XS11E" <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message news:Xns9620C80FCB799xs11eyahoocom@68.6.19.6...> "Generic" <generic@scientist.com> wrote in> news:423f8281$0$8910$a32e20b9@news.nntpservers.com:> "XS11E" <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message> > news:Xns9620AD9DEEB6Axs11eyahoocom@68.6.19.6...> >> Natman <nat_mann@yahoo.com> wrote in> >> news:illu31pd5k7v3tefpishvmrnfl9s8jrp6s@4ax.com:> >> What does prove something is that the belt replacement is> >> >>recommended at 60,000 miles and the life span of the water pump> >> >>is usually figured to be 50,000 miles.> >> > By whom? 50,000 miles for the water pump's life span sounds> >> > awfully short.> >> It's actually fairly long, 30,000 miles might be a bit closer to> >> average.> > What brand of car? What era? My old car (Toyota) went 175,000 on> > the original water pump. The car got retired for other reasons but> > the water pump was still going strong.> There's exceptions to every rule.> True, but 30,000 miles is an exception as well, at least for the miata, and most if not all other modern cars as well. If the average life of the water pump was that low, we would see constant complaints here about them going out, especially considering the labor involved in replacing the water pump on the miata. The same complaints would also occur if the average life was only 50K miles. I have inspected and worked on quite a few miatas and have never seen one that had a factory water pump give out before 100K miles. I am sure that it happens, but it isn't common. pat
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Generic 22 March 2005 07:22:33 [ permanent link ]
	"Frank Berger" <frank.d.berger@dal.frb.org> wrote in message news:1111460890.635f8555dbb7001c0b4d3195ed9f9256@teranews...> "XS11E" <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message> news:Xns9620AD9DEEB6Axs11eyahoocom@68.6.19.6...> > Natman <nat_mann@yahoo.com> wrote in> > news:illu31pd5k7v3tefpishvmrnfl9s8jrp6s@4ax.com:> > What does prove something is that the belt replacement is> > >>recommended at 60,000 miles and the life span of the water pump is> > >>usually figured to be 50,000 miles.> > > By whom? 50,000 miles for the water pump's life span sounds> > > awfully short.> > It's actually fairly long, 30,000 miles might be a bit closer to> > average.> You may be right, but that figure sounds so outlandish no one is going to> believe you. I've never had a car where the water pump failed before 80,000> or maybe even 100,000 miles. That includes a 1969 VW Squareback, a 1973> Audi 100 LS (the water pump was about the only thing that DIDN'T fail on> that car). a 1976 VW Rabbit, a 1979 Buick LeSabre, a 1985 Dodge Caravan, 1992 Nissan Sentra, a 2000 Ford Explorer and a 1996 Miata. No intention of offending the OP, but it seems like old truths die hard. Swaps are most strongly advocated by those with a potential conflict of interest. It's sort of like saying "You'll ruin the engine without changing the oil every 3,000 miles" while factory service manuals and 3rd party tests now say 5k, 7.5k or 15k. Not to mention the cars with oil quality sensors. If tire wear wasn't obvious some would advocate changing tires every 15k-30k like the old days! Technology improves over time. The auto shop profit motive remains constant. -John
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Red 22 March 2005 08:31:52 [ permanent link ]
	On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 03:08:53 GMT, "Frank Berger" <frank.d.berger@dal.frb.org> wrote in news:1111460890.635f8555dbb7001c0b4d3195ed9f9256@teranews: [heavy editting] I've never had a car where the water pump failed> before 80,000 or maybe even 100,000 miles. That includes a 1969 VW> Squareback, If the water pump had failed on your squareback, I would say you were the most unlucky dude on the planet! I've never had a front CV joint fail on my Miata either! ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----
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Natman 22 March 2005 10:09:21 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:40:00 -0700, XS11E <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote: "Generic" <generic@scientist.com> wrote in>news:423f8281$0$8910$a32e20b9@news.nntpservers.com: > "XS11E" <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message>> news:Xns9620AD9DEEB6Axs11eyahoocom@68.6.19.6...>>> Natman <nat_mann@yahoo.com> wrote in>>> news:illu31pd5k7v3tefpishvmrnfl9s8jrp6s@4ax.com: >>> What does prove something is that the belt replacement is>>> >>recommended at 60,000 miles and the life span of the water pump>>> >>is usually figured to be 50,000 miles. >>> > By whom? 50,000 miles for the water pump's life span sounds>>> > awfully short. >>> It's actually fairly long, 30,000 miles might be a bit closer to>>> average. >> What brand of car? What era? My old car (Toyota) went 175,000 on>> the original water pump. The car got retired for other reasons but>> the water pump was still going strong.> There's exceptions to every rule. Yeah, like every water cooled car I've ever owned, including Fiats. Never replaced a water pump after only 30K on any of them either. I'm not buying it and apparently neither is anyone else.
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Lanny Chambers 22 March 2005 10:30:36 [ permanent link ]
	In article <Xns9620AD9DEEB6Axs11eyahoocom@68.6.19.6>, XS11E <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote: It's actually fairly long, 30,000 miles might be a bit closer to > average. You've been working on too many Ladas. I've never replaced a water pump on any of my cars, except the Miata. Most of them had over 80k on them when sold, and my current Accord has about 170k. -- Lanny Chambers, St. Louis, USA '94C the alignment page: http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html
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Dana H. Myers 22 March 2005 11:02:54 [ permanent link ]
	Generic wrote: No intention of offending the OP, but it seems like old truths die hard.> Swaps are most strongly advocated by those with a potential conflict of> interest. It's sort of like saying "You'll ruin the engine without changing> the oil every 3,000 miles" while factory service manuals and 3rd party tests> now say 5k, 7.5k or 15k. Agreed, but, be careful... Not to mention the cars with oil quality sensors. Have you ever seen an oil quality sensor? I haven't. They don't exist. The "oil change" light on modern cars represents an educated guess based on factory testing and engine operating factors. The ECU calculates when to turn the light on. You could change the oil weekly and the light will still come on as long as you don't reset the computer's notion of when the oil was changed. If tire wear wasn't obvious some would advocate changing tires every 15k-30k> like the old days! Heh. If mine only lasted that long. Technology improves over time. The auto shop profit motive remains constant. Totally true. That's another tangent, though.
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Frank Berger 22 March 2005 22:47:13 [ permanent link ]
	"Red" <miatafan@gets.no.email> wrote in message news:Xns9620EF01E337Dmiatafan@38.119.71.210...> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 03:08:53 GMT, "Frank Berger"> <frank.d.berger@dal.frb.org> wrote in> news:1111460890.635f8555dbb7001c0b4d3195ed9f9256@teranews:> [heavy editting]> I've never had a car where the water pump failed> > before 80,000 or maybe even 100,000 miles. That includes a 1969 VW> > Squareback,> If the water pump had failed on your squareback, I would say you were> the most unlucky dude on the planet! Oops.
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Gord Beaman 31 March 2005 01:32:38 [ permanent link ]
	XS11E <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote: snip> What does prove something is that the belt replacement is recommended >at 60,000 miles and the life span of the water pump is usually figured >to be 50,000 miles. The pump should be automatically replaced unless >it's already been done, but if that were the case wouldn't the timing >belt have also been replaced at the same time?> Sound advice...hard to beat that logic...> -- -Gord. (use gordon in email)
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Leon van Dommelen 26 July 2005 03:36:23 [ permanent link ]
	"Mal Osborne" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:> "Red" <miatafan@gets.no.email> wrote in message >news:Xns96745ED5FB5AEmiatafan@38.119.71.210...>> On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:20:55 GMT, "Mal Osborne" <noone@nowhere.com>>> wrote in news:42ad7cd3$1@quokka.wn.com.au:>> Still would have been the most unlucky dude on the planet.>> The VW powered the washer fluid by a valve off the spare>> tire for air pressure.>> Next question? > So,,, If you had a flat, would that not constitute a failed water pump?> No. The VW came with a little bag of powder that combined with some washer fluid formed a rubber sealing compound, allowing the flat to be fixed. However, if you had two flats, it would constitute a failed washer-fluid pump, since the spare did not have enough air to blow up two tires and also power the washer jets. A paper towel was provided for that eventuality: you would dip it into the washer fluid and wipe it manually across the windshield. Leon -- Leon van Dommelen Bozo, the White 96 Sebring Miata .) rammm@dommelen.net http://www.dommelen.net/miata EXIT THE INTERSTATES (Jamie Jensen)
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