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Pontiac Solstice for 20k?

HardwareLust 16 February 2005 22:37:08
 Autoblog reports the new Pontiac Solstice will sticker for less than 20k.
$19,995.00 to be exact.

http://www.autoblog­.com/entry/123400076­7031942/

Could this be trouble for sales of the new Miata? Or, are they creating a
market for a real sports car, once they get tired of driving what looks to
me like basically a Cobalt coupe with the roof sawed off?

H.


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Red 17 February 2005 00:17:29 [ permanent link ]
 On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:37:08 GMT, "HardwareLust" <n00ne@n0where.c0m>­
wrote in news:opMQd.8563$uc.­4764@trnddc09:
Autoblog reports the new Pontiac Solstice will sticker for less than> 20k. $19,995.00 to be exact.>
http://www.autoblog­.com/entry/123400076­7031942/>
Could this be trouble for sales of the new Miata? Or, are they> creating a market for a real sports car, once they get tired of> driving what looks to me like basically a Cobalt coupe with the roof> sawed off?

curb weight: around 2900 lbs.
It's no Miata.


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Lumpen Proletariat 17 February 2005 04:57:55 [ permanent link ]
 On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 00:25:57 GMT, dm@nospam.com (Dave) wrote:
In article <opMQd.8563$uc.4764­@trnddc09>, "HardwareLust" <n00ne@n0where.c0m>­ wrote:>>Autoblog reports the new Pontiac Solstice will sticker for less than 20k.>>$19,995.00 to be exact.>>
http://www.autobl­og.com/entry/1234000­767031942/>>
Could this be trouble for sales of the new Miata? Or, are they creating a>>market for a real sports car, once they get tired of driving what looks to>>me like basically a Cobalt coupe with the roof sawed off?>
The new Miata will also be much heavier. It has to. Nanny State has
decreed you do not have the right to maim yourself is a small car.

The Z4, Boxster, and MX5 are all re-designed within the last couple or
years. The s2000 is rumored to be dead (Honda is not getting enough
sales to make it worthwhile to redesing to the new crash standards)
and the Toyota entry is gone (no more MR 2 or Celicas for that matter)
so that kind of evens out the field.

Questions are: how much miataness will remain in the new model
And will Pontiac dealers do a decen job selling the car.
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Tooloud 17 February 2005 07:55:26 [ permanent link ]
 lumpen_proletariat@y­ahoo.com wrote:

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Questions are: how much miataness will remain in the new model> And will Pontiac dealers do a decen job selling the car.

If Pontiac dealers can find buyers for Grand Ams and Grand Prixs, surely
they'll be able to sell something resembling an actual *sports* car.

I'll forgive them for the GTO...no one could sell *those*, though it's
irrelevant, as I don't purchase domestic cars.

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Dave 17 February 2005 16:07:32 [ permanent link ]
 In article <4213f7fe$0$38902$a­32e20b9@news.nntpser­vers.com>, "Generic" <generic@scientist.­com> wrote:
Well, I know that the colleague driving this Australian knock off>> of the Miata (was it sold by GM?) did not buy any new convertibles.>>
Are you talking about the early 90s Mercury Capri? It lost every Miata>comparison badly, but was always meant as a cruiser rather than sports car.>
It was a dog.


And a Ford.
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Leon van Dommelen 17 February 2005 17:52:01 [ permanent link ]
 dm@nospam.com (Dave) wrote:
In article <4213f7fe$0$38902$a­32e20b9@news.nntpser­vers.com>, "Generic" <generic@scientist.­com> wrote:>
Well, I know that the colleague driving this Australian knock off>>> of the Miata (was it sold by GM?) did not buy any new convertibles.>>>
Are you talking about the early 90s Mercury Capri?

The Capri it was.
It lost every Miata>>comparison badly, but was always meant as a cruiser rather than sports car.>>
It was a dog.>
And a Ford.

So is the Miata nowadays...

Leon

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Grant Edwards 17 February 2005 19:17:46 [ permanent link ]
 On 2005-02-17, Leon van Dommelen <rammm@REMOVE_THIS_­TAGdommelen.net> wrote:
The Capri it was.>
It was a dog.>>
And a Ford.>
So is the Miata nowadays...

A little bit, but much less so than a 6.

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Pws 17 February 2005 19:24:19 [ permanent link ]
 Grant Edwards wrote:> On 2005-02-17, Leon van Dommelen <rammm@REMOVE_THIS_­TAGdommelen.net> wrote:>
The Capri it was.>>
It was a dog.>>>
And a Ford.>>
So is the Miata nowadays...>
A little bit, but much less so than a 6.>

How so? Has the 6 started catching on fire at random yet? ;-)­

Pat
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Scott Streeter 17 February 2005 23:54:47 [ permanent link ]
 rammm@REMOVE_THIS_TA­Gdommelen.net (Leon van Dommelen) writes:
dm@nospam.com (Dave) wrote:>
In article <4213f7fe$0$38902$a­32e20b9@news.nntpser­vers.com>, "Generic" <generic@scientist.­com> wrote:> >
Well, I know that the colleague driving this Australian knock off> >>> of the Miata (was it sold by GM?) did not buy any new convertibles.> >>>
Are you talking about the early 90s Mercury Capri?>
The Capri it was.>
It lost every Miata> >>comparison badly, but was always meant as a cruiser rather than sports car.> >>
It was a dog.> >
And a Ford.>
So is the Miata nowadays...>
Leon>
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Not really. At least they are still built in Japan.

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Scott Streeter 17 February 2005 23:56:52 [ permanent link ]
 pws <pwshelton@austin.r­r.com> writes:
tooloud wrote:>
If Pontiac dealers can find buyers for Grand Ams and Grand Prixs,> > surely they'll be able to sell something resembling an actual> > *sports* car.> > I'll forgive them for the GTO...no one could sell *those*, though> > it's irrelevant, as I don't purchase domestic cars.> >
Where have you been?> As far as forgiveness, I can not forgive Pontiac for anything after> they produced the Aztec. That thing still hurts my eyes every time I> see one, and it's not like you can just flip a channel or look away> when you are driving near one. ;-)­>
I also avoid cars made by American companies. My experience with> American cars is so bad that it will not be possible for me to live> long enough for them to regain my confidence. The Corvette is the only> possible exception, but I would still probably buy a Japanese or> German car if I had $50K to spend.>
Pat

Actually the Pontiac lineup doesn't look 1/2 bad these days. I think
they have more desirable cars that Mazda does right now.

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Red 18 February 2005 00:32:58 [ permanent link ]
 On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:56:52 GMT, Scott Streeter <ss@ccc10.wpi.edu> wrote
in news:7jsm3v3qpn.fsf­@ccc10.wpi.edu:
Actually the Pontiac lineup doesn't look 1/2 bad these days. I think> they have more desirable cars that Mazda does right now.

http://www.canadian­driver.com/news/0502­11-8.htm

Mazda has 2 out of 10 on the list. Pontiac 0 (nada).
Yes, I know it's a rather subjective and artificial list.

If I was in the market for a FWD car, the Mazda6 or Mazda3
would be on my list. But I'm not.

I'm more interested in the RWD and AWD stuff from Chrysler
and Ford. We'll have to see how they pan out.

I assume my '91 Miata will be around for a while.


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Guest 18 February 2005 01:50:40 [ permanent link ]
 
Are you talking about the early 90s Mercury Capri? It lost every
Miata> comparison badly, but was always meant as a cruiser rather than
sports car.

Not exactly true. In early 90's. one of the car magazines tested the
turbo version of the Capri against the miata on a track. It kicked
miata butt as far as lap times, but they still judged the miata more
fun to drive.

Later, someone pitted the hottest VTEC del Sol against a miata and ran
it up Mt. Hamilton in California. The del SOl got to the top first and
the driver had time to write the magazine article while waiting. Still
judged the miata more fun to drive.

But I'm off topic. The Solstice sure looks a lot better than the the
miata. So does the Saturn Sky. I bet they will be fine cars, maybe even
great cars, but I think the miata will still be fun to drive.

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Pws 18 February 2005 20:45:10 [ permanent link ]
 Scott Streeter wrote:
Well to be honest the last American car I had was around 86-87 so I> have no idea how "good" they are either. Although a new Vette> convertible would be nice :)­>

I agree with you here. The Vette seems fairly well received in this
group. I think that I know what the responses would be in the Corvette
newsgroup if one of their members was to talk of selling their Corvette
to buy a Miata (or 3).

Pat
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Alex Rodriguez 18 February 2005 23:11:47 [ permanent link ]
 In article <Xns95FF9B2F19B93mi­atafan@38.119.85.36>­, miatafan@gets.no.em­ail
says...>
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:37:08 GMT, "HardwareLust" <n00ne@n0where.c0m>­>wrote in news:opMQd.8563$uc.­4764@trnddc09: >
Autoblog reports the new Pontiac Solstice will sticker for less than>> 20k. $19,995.00 to be exact.>>
http://www.autoblog­.com/entry/123400076­7031942/>>
Could this be trouble for sales of the new Miata? Or, are they>> creating a market for a real sports car, once they get tired of>> driving what looks to me like basically a Cobalt coupe with the roof>> sawed off? >
curb weight: around 2900 lbs.>It's no Miata.

Ouch! that's alot of dead weight it is carrying.
--------
Alex

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Tooloud 24 February 2005 05:16:49 [ permanent link ]
 Scott Streeter wrote:> pws <pwshelton@austin.r­r.com> writes:>
tooloud wrote:>>
If Pontiac dealers can find buyers for Grand Ams and Grand Prixs,>>> surely they'll be able to sell something resembling an actual>>> *sports* car.>>> I'll forgive them for the GTO...no one could sell *those*, though>>> it's irrelevant, as I don't purchase domestic cars.>>>
Where have you been?>> As far as forgiveness, I can not forgive Pontiac for anything after>> they produced the Aztec. That thing still hurts my eyes every time I>> see one, and it's not like you can just flip a channel or look away>> when you are driving near one. ;-)­>>
I also avoid cars made by American companies. My experience with>> American cars is so bad that it will not be possible for me to live>> long enough for them to regain my confidence. The Corvette is the>> only possible exception, but I would still probably buy a Japanese or>> German car if I had $50K to spend.>>
Actually the Pontiac lineup doesn't look 1/2 bad these days. I think> they have more desirable cars that Mazda does right now.

Eh, I disagree. The 3 is a great little car and the 6 is better than the new
G6, which all the car mags are basically saying is an OK car, but nothing
great. The Grand Prix is nothing more than a boy-racer version of the
Impala. The Bonneville looks silly and drives poorly. Aztek? 'nuff
said...and they can't hardly *give* GTOs away.

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