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Re: auto lockers

L . W . Hughes III 28 April 2005 01:43:34
 Hi Don,
The Dana 44 from a Bronco will have free wheelin' hubs:
http://77cj.littlek­eylime.com/Mr.N44.ht­m You could use a spool like I
do.
Spring Over Axle: http://www.dehesa4x­4.com/osburn/tech/so­a.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/

donny1487@aol.com wrote:>
I am in the process of gathering info and parts for a SOA on my 95 yj> 6-cyl (I have put it off to long). I am planning on a danna 44 front> axle from a 76-77 bronco and a ford 8.8 from a newer (90's)ford> explorer with a limited slip diff.>
My question is if i put an auto locking diff, such as a lock-right, in> the front will it act like an open diff when in 2wd and hubs unlocked.> What i am thinking is that the rear limited slip should give me a good> amount of slippage on road in 2wd, and then, when i lock it into 4wd> offroad i have an auto locker up front that will give me plety of> pulling power.> As I am in the planning and gathering process of this project, any and> all comments, recomendations, or donations :)­ appreciated.>
Thanks,> Donny Bowman> 95 jeep yj I-6
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Rusted 28 April 2005 02:20:31 permanent link ]
 If you have a front lock right, are in 2wd, and have your hubs unlocked,
your locker is basically isolated, and you will not notice any difference
from a stock axle while driving. So there will be no negative side effects
in daily driving.


<donny1487@aol.com>­ wrote in message
news:1114637173.193­167.12730@g14g2000cw­a.googlegroups.com..­.>I am in the process of gathering info and parts for a SOA on my 95 yj> 6-cyl (I have put it off to long). I am planning on a danna 44 front> axle from a 76-77 bronco and a ford 8.8 from a newer (90's)ford> explorer with a limited slip diff.>
My question is if i put an auto locking diff, such as a lock-right, in> the front will it act like an open diff when in 2wd and hubs unlocked.> What i am thinking is that the rear limited slip should give me a good> amount of slippage on road in 2wd, and then, when i lock it into 4wd> offroad i have an auto locker up front that will give me plety of> pulling power.> As I am in the planning and gathering process of this project, any and> all comments, recomendations, or donations :)­ appreciated.>
Thanks,> Donny Bowman> 95 jeep yj I-6>



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Reconair 28 April 2005 03:14:10 permanent link ]
 I'm currently set up exactly that way with my YJ. Except I have the Dana 30
front w/Lockright and 35C rear w/TRACLOC. Yes, when in 2wd the front acts
like an open diff.

Scott
91YJ
<donny1487@aol.com>­ wrote in message
news:1114637173.193­167.12730@g14g2000cw­a.googlegroups.com..­.> I am in the process of gathering info and parts for a SOA on my 95 yj> 6-cyl (I have put it off to long). I am planning on a danna 44 front> axle from a 76-77 bronco and a ford 8.8 from a newer (90's)ford> explorer with a limited slip diff.>
My question is if i put an auto locking diff, such as a lock-right, in> the front will it act like an open diff when in 2wd and hubs unlocked.> What i am thinking is that the rear limited slip should give me a good> amount of slippage on road in 2wd, and then, when i lock it into 4wd> offroad i have an auto locker up front that will give me plety of> pulling power.> As I am in the planning and gathering process of this project, any and> all comments, recomendations, or donations :)­ appreciated.>
Thanks,> Donny Bowman> 95 jeep yj I-6>


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Jeff Strickland 28 April 2005 04:22:49 permanent link ]
 
<donny1487@aol.com>­ wrote in message
news:1114637173.193­167.12730@g14g2000cw­a.googlegroups.com..­.>I am in the process of gathering info and parts for a SOA on my 95 yj> 6-cyl (I have put it off to long). I am planning on a danna 44 front> axle from a 76-77 bronco and a ford 8.8 from a newer (90's)ford> explorer with a limited slip diff.>
My question is if i put an auto locking diff, such as a lock-right, in> the front will it act like an open diff when in 2wd and hubs unlocked.

Yes.


What i am thinking is that the rear limited slip should give me a good> amount of slippage on road in 2wd, and then, when i lock it into 4wd> offroad i have an auto locker up front that will give me plety of> pulling power.> As I am in the planning and gathering process of this project, any and> all comments, recomendations, or donations :)­ appreciated.>
Thanks,> Donny Bowman> 95 jeep yj I-6>

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L . W . Hughes III 28 April 2005 04:25:46 permanent link ]
 http://www.off-road.­com/jeep/tech/convax­le/fordeb/d44.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/

donny1487@aol.com wrote:>
Thanks for all the info. Bill metioned a spool up front to be honest i> know next to nothing about a spool set up. Can any body recomend a good> site for research and a good product for this set up.> Also, off topic, has anyone had any experience with the older (66-77)> d-44 bronco axles on a yj, my concern is steering and i have read many> post about this swap but none seem to go verry deep into this part.> This will be my first time swapping front axles and i know there will> be many times that I am completly lost... but that is my favorite way> to learn :)­ .
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Nick 28 April 2005 11:36:09 permanent link ]
 But when you front is locked, even offroad your steering can be VERY stiff
and difficult. Better to have something you can unlock and make those tight
turns with.
Nick


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<donny1487@aol.com>­ wrote in message
news:1114645586.576­778.106460@l41g2000c­wc.googlegroups.com.­..> Thanks for all the info. Bill metioned a spool up front to be honest i> know next to nothing about a spool set up. Can any body recomend a good> site for research and a good product for this set up.> Also, off topic, has anyone had any experience with the older (66-77)> d-44 bronco axles on a yj, my concern is steering and i have read many> post about this swap but none seem to go verry deep into this part.> This will be my first time swapping front axles and i know there will> be many times that I am completly lost... but that is my favorite way> to learn :)­ .>


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L . W . Hughes III 28 April 2005 23:29:51 permanent link ]
 No problem, just unlock one, obviously if it's hard to steer you
have plenty of traction.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/

Nick wrote:>
But when you front is locked, even offroad your steering can be VERY stiff> and difficult. Better to have something you can unlock and make those tight> turns with.> Nick
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Jeff Strickland 29 April 2005 00:09:24 permanent link ]
 Nick,
This is patently false. Even if the front is locked, turning is easy IF the
tcase is in 2WD.

If offroading, then you simply select 2HI and you can instantly steer again.
And, if you need 4WD, and you are locked, having the steeering be tight
isn't much of a problem.

I get it, you are talking about a spool on the front. I am not sure I would
want a spool on the front, and I have to question why Bill keeps bringing it
up as a suitable solution. I can't imagine how a spool on the front would be
any fun at all. I could be wrong here, but I doubt it.




"Nick" <nnote@despammed.co­m> wrote in message
news:tn0ce.582$rJ1.­581@fed1read02...> But when you front is locked, even offroad your steering can be VERY stiff> and difficult. Better to have something you can unlock and make those
tight> turns with.> Nick>
--> http://members.cox.­net/nnote/> <donny1487@aol.com>­ wrote in message> news:1114645586.576­778.106460@l41g2000c­wc.googlegroups.com.­..> > Thanks for all the info. Bill metioned a spool up front to be honest i> > know next to nothing about a spool set up. Can any body recomend a good> > site for research and a good product for this set up.> > Also, off topic, has anyone had any experience with the older (66-77)> > d-44 bronco axles on a yj, my concern is steering and i have read many> > post about this swap but none seem to go verry deep into this part.> > This will be my first time swapping front axles and i know there will> > be many times that I am completly lost... but that is my favorite way> > to learn :)­ .> >


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L . W . Hughes III 29 April 2005 00:52:32 permanent link ]
 The fun comes from looking down at the people that can't make the
hill.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/

Jeff Strickland wrote:>
Nick,> This is patently false. Even if the front is locked, turning is easy IF the> tcase is in 2WD.>
If offroading, then you simply select 2HI and you can instantly steer again.> And, if you need 4WD, and you are locked, having the steeering be tight> isn't much of a problem.>
I get it, you are talking about a spool on the front. I am not sure I would> want a spool on the front, and I have to question why Bill keeps bringing it> up as a suitable solution. I can't imagine how a spool on the front would be> any fun at all. I could be wrong here, but I doubt it.
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Jeff Strickland 29 April 2005 01:00:06 permanent link ]
 And how is the view any different behind a front locker or a spool?




"L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net­> wrote in message
news:42714D10.BAF5B­39D@cox.net...> The fun comes from looking down at the people that can't make the> hill.> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O> mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/>


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Matt Macchiarolo 29 April 2005 01:05:53 permanent link ]
 A front spool would probably be handy in heavy sand or mud, but on any other
terrain an autolocker would probably be more user-friendly.

"Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.­net> wrote in message
news:dr6dnRXzMscu3-­zfRVn-1A@ez2.net...>­ Nick,> This is patently false. Even if the front is locked, turning is easy IF > the> tcase is in 2WD.>
If offroading, then you simply select 2HI and you can instantly steer > again.> And, if you need 4WD, and you are locked, having the steeering be tight> isn't much of a problem.>
I get it, you are talking about a spool on the front. I am not sure I > would> want a spool on the front, and I have to question why Bill keeps bringing > it> up as a suitable solution. I can't imagine how a spool on the front would > be> any fun at all. I could be wrong here, but I doubt it.>
"Nick" <nnote@despammed.co­m> wrote in message> news:tn0ce.582$rJ1.­581@fed1read02...>> But when you front is locked, even offroad your steering can be VERY >> stiff>> and difficult. Better to have something you can unlock and make those> tight>> turns with.>> Nick>>
-->> http://members.cox.­net/nnote/>> <donny1487@aol.com>­ wrote in message>> news:1114645586.576­778.106460@l41g2000c­wc.googlegroups.com.­..>> > Thanks for all the info. Bill metioned a spool up front to be honest i>> > know next to nothing about a spool set up. Can any body recomend a good>> > site for research and a good product for this set up.>> > Also, off topic, has anyone had any experience with the older (66-77)>> > d-44 bronco axles on a yj, my concern is steering and i have read many>> > post about this swap but none seem to go verry deep into this part.>> > This will be my first time swapping front axles and i know there will>> > be many times that I am completly lost... but that is my favorite way>> > to learn :)­ .>> >


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L . W . Hughes III 29 April 2005 01:25:25 permanent link ]
 Hi Jeff,
Detroit Lockers do some weird stuff, like throwing the vehicle back
and forth as the released wheel scoots around, usually sending the car
straight up doing a pirouette, then end over. Jennifer's is a classic
example: http://www.xws.com/­jbjeep/jenroll-short­version.mpg So you see,
they're not at the top with me to see the view.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/

Jeff Strickland wrote:>
And how is the view any different behind a front locker or a spool?
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L . W . Hughes III 29 April 2005 01:38:38 permanent link ]
 We see on heavily traveled trails holes dug by spinning wheels
exaggerate the obstacle course. The spool just doesn't react, switching
back and forth like a locker, causing a bounce many can't recover from.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:>
A front spool would probably be handy in heavy sand or mud, but on any other> terrain an autolocker would probably be more user-friendly.
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Jeff Strickland 29 April 2005 21:04:31 permanent link ]
 A front locker or spool isn't going to play much of a role in hopping
around, then spinning to the side and rolling over. The rear locker or spool
will play a role in that scenario, but not the front.




"L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net­> wrote in message
news:427154C5.9621E­E1B@cox.net...> Hi Jeff,> Detroit Lockers do some weird stuff, like throwing the vehicle back> and forth as the released wheel scoots around, usually sending the car> straight up doing a pirouette, then end over. Jennifer's is a classic> example: http://www.xws.com/­jbjeep/jenroll-short­version.mpg So you see,> they're not at the top with me to see the view.> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O> mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/>
Jeff Strickland wrote:> >
And how is the view any different behind a front locker or a spool?


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Jeff Strickland 29 April 2005 21:58:45 permanent link ]
 Those holes are usually the result of Open Diffs, and occasionally a Limited
Slip. A locker does not switch back and forth.

An auto locker is really an auto UNLOCKER, and it the tires can slip on the
ground, the locker will remain fully engaged and dig identical holes on the
left and the right, just like a spool will do. The variation, of course, is
that the dirt is identical and responds to the tires the same way, but
whether the axles is equipped with a locker or a spool isn't going to be a
factor in this.




"L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net­> wrote in message
news:427157DE.50BBA­BF4@cox.net...> We see on heavily traveled trails holes dug by spinning wheels> exaggerate the obstacle course. The spool just doesn't react, switching> back and forth like a locker, causing a bounce many can't recover from.> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O> mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/>
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:> >
A front spool would probably be handy in heavy sand or mud, but on any
other> > terrain an autolocker would probably be more user-friendly.


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L . W . Hughes III 29 April 2005 23:53:17 permanent link ]
 With a spool up front, Jennifer's left front wouldn't have gone
from free wheelin' to lock instantly starting the front up the bank.
That's of course my opinion, you may stay at the bottom of the hill.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/

Jeff Strickland wrote:>
A front locker or spool isn't going to play much of a role in hopping> around, then spinning to the side and rolling over. The rear locker or spool> will play a role in that scenario, but not the front.
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L . W . Hughes III 30 April 2005 04:49:44 permanent link ]
 Yes they eliminate the weak points of a differential carrier:
http://store.summit­racing.com/largeimag­e.asp?part=MSR-5S9F3­1
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/

Nick wrote:>
Spool's?> Nick
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Matt Macchiarolo 30 April 2005 05:18:30 permanent link ]
 Explain how would a spool have kept her right wheel going up the side? And
how you know the locker wasn't locked?

"L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net­> wrote in message
news:427290AD.544F9­BDE@cox.net...> With a spool up front, Jennifer's left front wouldn't have gone> from free wheelin' to lock instantly starting the front up the bank.> That's of course my opinion, you may stay at the bottom of the hill.> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O> mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/>
Jeff Strickland wrote:>>
A front locker or spool isn't going to play much of a role in hopping>> around, then spinning to the side and rolling over. The rear locker or >> spool>> will play a role in that scenario, but not the front.


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Matt Macchiarolo 30 April 2005 05:31:53 permanent link ]
 Bill, Jen had an Ox locker on that trip, here's a pic from 2 days after the
roll...

http://jbjeep.terah­ex.com/Moab03/Jens_1­28.jpg

"L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net­> wrote in message
news:427154C5.9621E­E1B@cox.net...> Hi Jeff,> Detroit Lockers do some weird stuff, like throwing the vehicle back> and forth as the released wheel scoots around, usually sending the car> straight up doing a pirouette, then end over. Jennifer's is a classic> example: http://www.xws.com/­jbjeep/jenroll-short­version.mpg So you see,> they're not at the top with me to see the view.> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O> mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/>
Jeff Strickland wrote:>>
And how is the view any different behind a front locker or a spool?


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L . W . Hughes III 30 April 2005 05:58:44 permanent link ]
 Not because she wanted to, Or do you think she wanted to climb the
bank to her left.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:>
So, Jen was turning? Looked straight to me....
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L . W . Hughes III 30 April 2005 06:05:38 permanent link ]
 I think I remember she saying it was Detroits, and it released
turning her right. A spool does nothing extra, but stay where traction
will let it. No surprises on the street either.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:>
Explain how would a spool have kept her right wheel going up the side? And> how you know the locker wasn't locked?
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L . W . Hughes III 30 April 2005 06:08:03 permanent link ]
 We'll have to wait for her to post then.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:>
Bill, Jen had an Ox locker on that trip, here's a pic from 2 days after the> roll...>
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L . W . Hughes III 30 April 2005 06:09:05 permanent link ]
 right

"L.W.(ßill) Hughes III" wrote:>
Not because she wanted to, Or do you think she wanted to climb the> bank to her left.> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O> mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/
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L . W . Hughes III 30 April 2005 06:22:30 permanent link ]
 When I said she had a Detroit, Jennifer didn't didn't correct me,
at:
http://groups-beta.­google.com/group/rec­.autos.makers.jeep+w­illys/browse_thread/­thread/2e9d98f7b7e14­c47/5f26ec1a00d5bcdb­?q=jbjeep+Moab+roll&­rnum=12#5f26ec1a00d5­bcdb
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:>
Bill, Jen had an Ox locker on that trip, here's a pic from 2 days after the> roll...>
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Matt Macchiarolo 30 April 2005 18:17:49 permanent link ]
 She was probably so confused by your tangents she didn't want to go down
that road.

OK, so we've established that she didn't have a front Detroit locker, but
rather it was an OX. And you've established *she* never told you her Detroit
released causing her to go over; you merely *assumed* she had detroit. Since
an OX locker is essentially a spool when locked, and it was locked according
to the video, what's your theory now why she rolled? Did she buy gas in
Mexico? Did she have over 15,000 miles on her spark plugs?


"L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net­> wrote in message
news:4272EBE6.4F4EA­D40@cox.net...> When I said she had a Detroit, Jennifer didn't didn't correct me,> at:> http://groups-beta.­google.com/group/rec­.autos.makers.jeep+w­illys/browse_thread/­thread/2e9d98f7b7e14­c47/5f26ec1a00d5bcdb­?q=jbjeep+Moab+roll&­rnum=12#5f26ec1a00d5­bcdb> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O> mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/>
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:>>
Bill, Jen had an Ox locker on that trip, here's a pic from 2 days after >> the>> roll...>>


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L . W . Hughes III 30 April 2005 23:11:53 permanent link ]
 My "assumption" as you want to call it, is based on my teenage
years driving dragsters, where a Detroit Locker could cause a full sized
stock factor experimental to lunch straight up into the air do a
pirouette and come down headed back to the pits. In slow-motion that's
was exactly what Jennifer's locker did, that's how we know it was a
Detroit, and not a OX vacuum lock, one wheel had to have released in
order for it to turn around to go back down the hill:
http://www.xws.com/­jbjeep/jenroll-short­version.mpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:>
She was probably so confused by your tangents she didn't want to go down> that road.>
OK, so we've established that she didn't have a front Detroit locker, but> rather it was an OX. And you've established *she* never told you her Detroit> released causing her to go over; you merely *assumed* she had detroit. Since> an OX locker is essentially a spool when locked, and it was locked according> to the video, what's your theory now why she rolled? Did she buy gas in> Mexico? Did she have over 15,000 miles on her spark plugs?
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Matt Macchiarolo 1 May 2005 00:55:24 permanent link ]
 (a) Ox isn't vacuum lock, it's mechanically actuated via cable. (b) Let me
clarify, are you talking about the rear axle, or front? Because the orginal
post in the thread was regarding front axles, not rear, and you told him to
"use a spool."

"L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net­> wrote in message
news:4273D879.DD095­873@cox.net...> My "assumption" as you want to call it, is based on my teenage> years driving dragsters, where a Detroit Locker could cause a full sized> stock factor experimental to lunch straight up into the air do a> pirouette and come down headed back to the pits. In slow-motion that's> was exactly what Jennifer's locker did, that's how we know it was a> Detroit, and not a OX vacuum lock, one wheel had to have released in> order for it to turn around to go back down the hill:> http://www.xws.com/­jbjeep/jenroll-short­version.mpg> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O> mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/>
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:>>
She was probably so confused by your tangents she didn't want to go down>> that road.>>
OK, so we've established that she didn't have a front Detroit locker, but>> rather it was an OX. And you've established *she* never told you her >> Detroit>> released causing her to go over; you merely *assumed* she had detroit. >> Since>> an OX locker is essentially a spool when locked, and it was locked >> according>> to the video, what's your theory now why she rolled? Did she buy gas in>> Mexico? Did she have over 15,000 miles on her spark plugs?


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L . W . Hughes III 1 May 2005 04:41:29 permanent link ]
 The only example I have of a locker releasing is of Jennifer's
rear, now do you think just because it's up front it will act
differently, while it's on the ground?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:>
(a) Ox isn't vacuum lock, it's mechanically actuated via cable. (b) Let me> clarify, are you talking about the rear axle, or front? Because the orginal> post in the thread was regarding front axles, not rear, and you told him to> "use a spool."
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Matt Macchiarolo 1 May 2005 05:34:22 permanent link ]
 The topic was regarding front lockers, you brought up a rear spool and the
symptoms of a detroit in the rear. Irrelevent to the OP, hence the
confusion.

"L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net­> wrote in message
news:427425B9.939B8­FE7@cox.net...> The only example I have of a locker releasing is of Jennifer's> rear, now do you think just because it's up front it will act> differently, while it's on the ground?> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O> mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/>
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:>>
(a) Ox isn't vacuum lock, it's mechanically actuated via cable. (b) Let >> me>> clarify, are you talking about the rear axle, or front? Because the >> orginal>> post in the thread was regarding front axles, not rear, and you told him >> to>> "use a spool."


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L . W . Hughes III 1 May 2005 07:18:35 permanent link ]
 Matt, are you smart enough to follow this thread up to where Jeff,
elaborated on my front spool? Maybe, if you read Jeff's posted YOU would
understand, but I doubt it. And as usual YOU haven't written anything
helpful for Don Bowman's Spring Over Axle, where I have. Quit wasting
our time!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:>
The topic was regarding front lockers, you brought up a rear spool and the> symptoms of a detroit in the rear. Irrelevent to the OP, hence the> confusion.
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Matt Macchiarolo 1 May 2005 07:27:39 permanent link ]
 Mr. Irrelevent strikes again.

"L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net­> wrote in message
news:42744A8B.7B6A0­6C0@cox.net...> Matt, are you smart enough to follow this thread up to where Jeff,> elaborated on my front spool? Maybe, if you read Jeff's posted YOU would> understand, but I doubt it. And as usual YOU haven't written anything> helpful for Don Bowman's Spring Over Axle, where I have. Quit wasting> our time!> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O> mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/>
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:>>
The topic was regarding front lockers, you brought up a rear spool and >> the>> symptoms of a detroit in the rear. Irrelevent to the OP, hence the>> confusion.


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L . W . Hughes III 1 May 2005 08:22:17 permanent link ]
 And that was relevant?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Matt Macchiarolo wrote:>
Mr. Irrelevent strikes again.
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L . W . Hughes III 2 May 2005 00:52:47 permanent link ]
 Jeff????????? Jack one wheel off the ground, in neutral, and turn it
froward by hand! It's a Detroit test:
http://www.tractech­.com/TechTips.htm
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Jeff Strickland wrote:>
That ONLY happens on hard srufaces, it never happens on soft srufaces. And> when ascending a hill, the weight of the vehicle will be onthe rear wheels,> so this would have a minimal affect, if any, on the view from the top.>
I do use a Detroit, but we are talking about a spool on the front axle and> (you threw in) hill climbs.>
A locked axle never free wheels.
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Jeff Strickland 2 May 2005 05:18:15 permanent link ]
 A locker NEVER unlocks on dirt. That is why we use them.





"L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net­> wrote in message
news:4275419F.AB2EB­F00@cox.net...> Jeff????????? Jack one wheel off the ground, in neutral, and turn it> froward by hand! It's a Detroit test:> http://www.tractech­.com/TechTips.htm> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O> mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/>
Jeff Strickland wrote:>>
That ONLY happens on hard srufaces, it never happens on soft srufaces. >> And>> when ascending a hill, the weight of the vehicle will be onthe rear >> wheels,>> so this would have a minimal affect, if any, on the view from the top.>>
I do use a Detroit, but we are talking about a spool on the front axle >> and>> (you threw in) hill climbs.>>
A locked axle never free wheels.

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L . W . Hughes III 2 May 2005 06:03:29 permanent link ]
 LOL Your Detroit Locker can tell when you're are on dirt? Please
tell me where are the detectors?
The Detroit Locker is designed to unlock whenever one wheel is
being turned faster, that's basic 101 differential technology, of course
if you want yours not to unlock then use a spool like I do.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/

Jeff Strickland wrote:>
A locker NEVER unlocks on dirt. That is why we use them.
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Jeff Strickland 2 May 2005 20:53:19 permanent link ]
 If the tires can slip on the ground, the locker will never unlock. That is
what makes it a locker. Remember, a locker causes stress to build in the
differential because the tires can not slip easily on the pavement, this
stress must be released before other parts might break. If the tires are on
dirt, the stress never builds up because the tires slip easily. You seem to
be forgetting that the locker only unlocks when the tires don't slip on the
dirt.






"L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net­> wrote in message
news:42758A71.71201­667@cox.net...> LOL Your Detroit Locker can tell when you're are on dirt? Please> tell me where are the detectors?> The Detroit Locker is designed to unlock whenever one wheel is> being turned faster, that's basic 101 differential technology, of course> if you want yours not to unlock then use a spool like I do.> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O> mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/>
Jeff Strickland wrote:> >
A locker NEVER unlocks on dirt. That is why we use them.


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L . W . Hughes III 3 May 2005 01:18:43 permanent link ]
 So in that gobblygook, do you realize the outside tire must release
if it is turned faster, like if the vehicle is being thrown to the right
against the bank as in Jeni's roll, that there's NO drag on that wheel,
like a spool.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/


Jeff Strickland wrote:>
If the tires can slip on the ground, the locker will never unlock. That is> what makes it a locker. Remember, a locker causes stress to build in the> differential because the tires can not slip easily on the pavement, this> stress must be released before other parts might break. If the tires are on> dirt, the stress never builds up because the tires slip easily. You seem to> be forgetting that the locker only unlocks when the tires don't slip on the> dirt.
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Jeff Strickland 3 May 2005 01:28:09 permanent link ]
 Jen used an OxLocker. It acts like a spool that the driver turns on and off.
It does not unlock like an auto locker does. This is cited as a weakness
because when it does not unlock AND the vehicle is on a surface that does
not allow the stress to be released through the tires, then the stress is
released through broken parts.

But, you are talking about how a vehicle is thrown about by the rear axle,
the question is about the front axle. So, thank you again, Captain
BesideThePoint. And, Jen went over for reasons not related to the front
locker.




"L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net­> wrote in message
news:42769933.7CD92­E7@cox.net...> So in that gobblygook, do you realize the outside tire must release> if it is turned faster, like if the vehicle is being thrown to the right> against the bank as in Jeni's roll, that there's NO drag on that wheel,> like a spool.> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O> mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/>
Jeff Strickland wrote:> >
If the tires can slip on the ground, the locker will never unlock. That
what makes it a locker. Remember, a locker causes stress to build in the> > differential because the tires can not slip easily on the pavement, this> > stress must be released before other parts might break. If the tires are
dirt, the stress never builds up because the tires slip easily. You seem
be forgetting that the locker only unlocks when the tires don't slip on
dirt.


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Jerry Bransford 3 May 2005 01:40:21 permanent link ]
 Yes Bill we are all wrong and you are of course right. ;)

L.W.(ßill) Hughes III wrote:> So in that gobblygook, do you realize the outside tire must release> if it is turned faster, like if the vehicle is being thrown to the right> against the bank as in Jeni's roll, that there's NO drag on that wheel,> like a spool. > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O> mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/>
Jeff Strickland wrote:>
If the tires can slip on the ground, the locker will never unlock. That is>>what makes it a locker. Remember, a locker causes stress to build in the>>differential because the tires can not slip easily on the pavement, this>>stress must be released before other parts might break. If the tires are on>>dirt, the stress never builds up because the tires slip easily. You seem to>>be forgetting that the locker only unlocks when the tires don't slip on the>>dirt.

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.­net/jerrypb/
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L . W . Hughes III 3 May 2005 01:42:17 permanent link ]
 Actually I have to thank you for the special incentive you give me.
Like the this page and it's links would have never evolve if it weren't
for you: http://www.billhugh­es.com/dana35c/
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com

Jerry Bransford wrote:>
Yes Bill we are all wrong and you are of course right. ;)> --> Jerry Bransford> PP-ASEL N6TAY> See the Geezer Jeep at> http://members.cox.­net/jerrypb/
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L . W . Hughes III 3 May 2005 01:47:54 permanent link ]
 It is the rear locker, that I believe is a Detroit, at least
Jennifer hasn't corrected me since I told her what her problem was.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/

Jeff Strickland wrote:>
Jen used an OxLocker. It acts like a spool that the driver turns on and off.> It does not unlock like an auto locker does. This is cited as a weakness> because when it does not unlock AND the vehicle is on a surface that does> not allow the stress to be released through the tires, then the stress is> released through broken parts.>
But, you are talking about how a vehicle is thrown about by the rear axle,> the question is about the front axle. So, thank you again, Captain> BesideThePoint. And, Jen went over for reasons not related to the front> locker.
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