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Axles - Advice needed
Doug 24 April 2005 19:58:25
	'94 YJ, Dana35c that no longer works... I'm looking for some advice from anyone that may have thoughts on swapping axles. I was at the junk yard this morning looking for a cheap way out of my predicament. They do not have any dana35 axles for a 94 with ABS. They had an axle from a 91 though - $325. For the same price they'll sell me front & rear axles from an '83 CJ7. rear is a 44, I'm not sure about the front. it's set with a SOA conversion already. I'm very tempted, but: 1. Will it work? 2. Front axle - can the axle be flipped top accomodate the drive shaft? 3. Am I nuts for even thinking I can do this? Mine is a 94 yj - np231, 4.0l. Thanks, Doug
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L . W . Hughes III 25 April 2005 00:03:32 [ permanent link ]
	Hi Doug, If you flip the Civilian Jeep front differential over you will only have one speed forward. Seems like you're open to giving up your Antilock Brake System which at ten years old isn't working anyway, look for a 44 from a Real Jeep: http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/convaxle/d44.html Please send pictures of your 35 to: http://www.billhughes.com/dana35c/ God Bless America, Гџill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com Doug wrote:> '94 YJ, Dana35c that no longer works...> I'm looking for some advice from anyone that may have thoughts on swapping> axles. I was at the junk yard this morning looking for a cheap way out of my> predicament. They do not have any dana35 axles for a 94 with ABS. They had> an axle from a 91 though - $325.> For the same price they'll sell me front & rear axles from an '83 CJ7. rear> is a 44, I'm not sure about the front. it's set with a SOA conversion> already.> I'm very tempted, but:> 1. Will it work?> 2. Front axle - can the axle be flipped top accomodate the drive shaft?> 3. Am I nuts for even thinking I can do this?> Mine is a 94 yj - np231, 4.0l.> Thanks,> Doug
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Jeff Strickland 25 April 2005 00:23:43 [ permanent link ]
	Doesn't the YJ and the CJ have the front pumpkin of opposite sides? "Doug" <doug.schuler@verizon.net> wrote in message news:BmPae.2829$RD.690@trndny02...> '94 YJ, Dana35c that no longer works...> I'm looking for some advice from anyone that may have thoughts on swapping > axles. I was at the junk yard this morning looking for a cheap way out of > my predicament. They do not have any dana35 axles for a 94 with ABS. They > had an axle from a 91 though - $325.> For the same price they'll sell me front & rear axles from an '83 CJ7. > rear is a 44, I'm not sure about the front. it's set with a SOA conversion > already.> I'm very tempted, but:> 1. Will it work?> 2. Front axle - can the axle be flipped top accomodate the drive shaft?> 3. Am I nuts for even thinking I can do this?> Mine is a 94 yj - np231, 4.0l.> Thanks,> Doug>
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SoK66 25 April 2005 01:22:36 [ permanent link ]
	"Doug" <doug.schuler@verizon.net> wrote in message news:BmPae.2829$RD.690@trndny02...> '94 YJ, Dana35c that no longer works...> I'm looking for some advice from anyone that may have thoughts on swapping > axles. I was at the junk yard this morning looking for a cheap way out of > my predicament. They do not have any dana35 axles for a 94 with ABS. They > had an axle from a 91 though - $325.> For the same price they'll sell me front & rear axles from an '83 CJ7. > rear is a 44, I'm not sure about the front. it's set with a SOA conversion > already.> I'm very tempted, but:> 1. Will it work?> 2. Front axle - can the axle be flipped top accomodate the drive shaft?> 3. Am I nuts for even thinking I can do this?> Mine is a 94 yj - np231, 4.0l.> Thanks,> Doug Yes, the Dana 35 curse strikes another victim. Unless you just enjoy misery, toss the thing into a pond somewhere. You have a number of options, all of them expensive. Depends upon your pocketbook, and your plans for the YJ. Local folks have been having fairly good luck swapping in Ford 8.8" axles out of first & second generation Explorers. It's still a c-clip axle, but much stronger than the 35 and has disk brakes to boot. Many of them had ABS, so you might be able to mate the two and get the ABS to work. See Mountain Off Road's site for more details on the 8.8. Be advised they are starting to get scarce because so many folks are doing this swap into YJs, TJs & XJs. Alternatively you can search for a D44 from a Comanche pickup, but this may be like searching for hen's teeth. Another alternative is to grab a D44 from a TJ, grind off the bracketry and weld on spring perches. Several club members have done this on their YJs and are very pleased with the results. Finding one gets easier every year. For example, virtually all of them sold locally have been ordered with D44s by our dealer, whose service manager thinks Dana should be tried for war crimes because of the 35. Only knock on these, TJ D44s (including those on the Rubi) have thin axle tubes (same as 35) but I don't know of anyone who's bent one yet. Another idea that I haven;t yet seen done, but is feasible is to swap in a Chrysler 8.25 from an XJ. Lastly, one can order a Ford 9", D44, D60, etc. from Currie, Drive Train Direct, Dynatrac, etc. Just depends upon the depth of your wallet.
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Tom Greening 25 April 2005 01:49:51 [ permanent link ]
	Could you define "no longer works"? 1. Yes it "could" work, but not a bolt in and definitely not within the $325.00 price range. 2. No, not without major rework. See #1 above. 3. Naw, not nuts. On the wrong track maybe given what you've got and the budget you're limited to, but not crazy. Jeeps are all about crazy ideas anyway. Some crazier than others. Depending on what "no longer works" means, it may be as simple as just fixing what you've got. It may or may not be the cheapest solution, but odds are it will be the most cost and TIME effective way out, especially if you can't afford to have it down for too long. "Doug" <doug.schuler@verizon.net> wrote in message news:BmPae.2829$RD.690@trndny02...> '94 YJ, Dana35c that no longer works...> I'm looking for some advice from anyone that may have thoughts on swapping> axles. I was at the junk yard this morning looking for a cheap way out of predicament. They do not have any dana35 axles for a 94 with ABS. They had> an axle from a 91 though - $325.> For the same price they'll sell me front & rear axles from an '83 CJ7. rear> is a 44, I'm not sure about the front. it's set with a SOA conversion> already.> I'm very tempted, but:> 1. Will it work?> 2. Front axle - can the axle be flipped top accomodate the drive shaft?> 3. Am I nuts for even thinking I can do this?> Mine is a 94 yj - np231, 4.0l.> Thanks,> Doug>
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Jeff Strickland 25 April 2005 02:04:39 [ permanent link ]
	Never mind ... "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:xs6dnXVJ5ZXSnfHfRVn-uQ@ez2.net...> Doesn't the YJ and the CJ have the front pumpkin of opposite sides?> "Doug" <doug.schuler@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:BmPae.2829$RD.690@trndny02...>> '94 YJ, Dana35c that no longer works...>> I'm looking for some advice from anyone that may have thoughts on >> swapping axles. I was at the junk yard this morning looking for a cheap >> way out of my predicament. They do not have any dana35 axles for a 94 >> with ABS. They had an axle from a 91 though - $325.>> For the same price they'll sell me front & rear axles from an '83 CJ7. >> rear is a 44, I'm not sure about the front. it's set with a SOA >> conversion already.>> I'm very tempted, but:>> 1. Will it work?>> 2. Front axle - can the axle be flipped top accomodate the drive shaft?>> 3. Am I nuts for even thinking I can do this?>> Mine is a 94 yj - np231, 4.0l.>> Thanks,>> Doug>>
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Jeff Strickland 25 April 2005 02:06:22 [ permanent link ]
	You can do the Superior Gear Super35 with a locker for something like 700, and this is roughly equivelent to the D44 axles AND you get a locker. "Doug" <doug.schuler@verizon.net> wrote in message news:BmPae.2829$RD.690@trndny02...> '94 YJ, Dana35c that no longer works...> I'm looking for some advice from anyone that may have thoughts on swapping > axles. I was at the junk yard this morning looking for a cheap way out of > my predicament. They do not have any dana35 axles for a 94 with ABS. They > had an axle from a 91 though - $325.> For the same price they'll sell me front & rear axles from an '83 CJ7. > rear is a 44, I'm not sure about the front. it's set with a SOA conversion > already.> I'm very tempted, but:> 1. Will it work?> 2. Front axle - can the axle be flipped top accomodate the drive shaft?> 3. Am I nuts for even thinking I can do this?> Mine is a 94 yj - np231, 4.0l.> Thanks,> Doug>
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Doug 25 April 2005 02:16:54 [ permanent link ]
	"Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message news:3wUae.183$Eg.72@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...> Could you define "no longer works"?> 1. Yes it "could" work, but not a bolt in and definitely not within the> $325.00 price range.> 2. No, not without major rework. See #1 above.> 3. Naw, not nuts. On the wrong track maybe given what you've got and the> budget you're limited to, but not crazy. Jeeps are all about crazy ideas> anyway. Some crazier than others.> Depending on what "no longer works" means, it may be as simple as just> fixing what you've got. It may or may not be the cheapest solution, but> odds are it will be the most cost and TIME effective way out, especially > if> you can't afford to have it down for too long. "No Longer Works" = (short version) Pinion nut came off. jeep would no longer go forward. Spider gears are a mess.With the pinion yoke back on I can turn the yoke, but feels like there are pebbles in there... I could probably have the thing rebuilt. My guess is somewhere in the neighborhood of $500-$600. I'd hate to put that kind of money into that axle if I can find a better solution - short of buying a real jeep! So, it seems like I have the following options: (not in any particular order) 1. rebuild existing axle 2. ford rear from bronco 3. look for "donor" jeep. (besides an exact match, should I consider others, like the scout or wagoneer? if so, what years?)
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L . W . Hughes III 25 April 2005 02:32:17 [ permanent link ]
	Yup, Superior could fix this one right up: http://billhughes.com/dana35c/briansmit.jpg God Bless America, Гџill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ Jeff Strickland wrote:> You can do the Superior Gear Super35 with a locker for something like 700,> and this is roughly equivelent to the D44 axles AND you get a locker.
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L . W . Hughes III 25 April 2005 02:58:02 [ permanent link ]
	"Completely Exploded" is like the Van out side the Federal building in Oklahoma City, and I thought the Poster said it "no longer works", silly me. Geez, well then I've had so many transmissions explode and I walked away: http://www.billhughes.com/dragster.jpg guess I was just lucky. God Bless America, Гџill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com Jeff Strickland wrote:> No longer works, and Completely Exploded are not the same thing.
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Jeff Strickland 25 April 2005 03:03:24 [ permanent link ]
	No, completely exploded is the pic you posted. "L.W. ("Гџill") Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net> wrote in message news:426C247A.5A06F29A@cox.net...> "Completely Exploded" is like the Van out side the Federal building> in Oklahoma City, and I thought the Poster said it "no longer works",> silly me. Geez, well then I've had so many transmissions explode and I> walked away: http://www.billhughes.com/dragster.jpg guess I was just> lucky.> God Bless America, Гџill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O> mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com> Jeff Strickland wrote:>> No longer works, and Completely Exploded are not the same thing.
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Doug 25 April 2005 03:22:36 [ permanent link ]
	nope - mine doesn't look that bad! "L.W. ("Яill") Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net> wrote in message news:426C1E71.31B35118@cox.net...> Yup, Superior could fix this one right up:> http://billhughes.com/dana35c/briansmit.jpg> God Bless America, Яill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O> mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/> Jeff Strickland wrote:>> You can do the Superior Gear Super35 with a locker for something like >> 700,>> and this is roughly equivelent to the D44 axles AND you get a locker.
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SoK66 25 April 2005 04:12:31 [ permanent link ]
	"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3fOdnWw17Lv-hfHfRVn-gw@ez2.net...> You can do the Superior Gear Super35 with a locker for something like 700, > and this is roughly equivelent to the D44 axles AND you get a locker. A friend of mine with a '93 YJ & 35s did this two years ago to "save money". All was fine until it toasted the pinion bearings. Lasted about 5k miles.
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L . W . Hughes III 25 April 2005 04:33:14 [ permanent link ]
	Well I was the quickest kid in north county, San Diego. God Bless America, Гџill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ Jeff Strickland wrote:> No, completely exploded is the pic you posted.
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L . W . Hughes III 25 April 2005 05:05:45 [ permanent link ]
	Well maybe a little explosion: http://www.draglist.com/Movies/Clips/duchene1.mpg God Bless America, Гџill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ Jeff Strickland wrote:> No, completely exploded is the pic you posted.
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Carlo 25 April 2005 05:48:04 [ permanent link ]
	funny you should mention this............ My son had a problem w/his D35 (89 YJ). He is just using it to go back & forth to Chico State, so I thought I would just drive over to West Coast Differential for a master bearing kit & hire a friend of a friend to show me how to do the "contact pattern " thing. (I think I have looked @ 15 or 20 illustrations - but need to do a "hands on" before I can truly understand it). Got home, jacked it up next day & pulled the cover ----2 teeth stuck to the magnetic filler hole plug-------back to West Coast Differential on Monday. Well, got to the point of doing the "contact pattern" thing & I asked "so how do you do this?" - he said "I don't know, I never have done that. I always go by feel.". We put it together, he felt it a couple of times & said "we should add some shims to the pinion" I told him that I had .003", .005" & .010". he said to give him a .005", put it in & it felt good (to him). My neighbor has a tow truck service out of his home now, but used to own a garage & this guy worked for him for several years and he says that he did the rear end on his tow truck about 3 or 4 yrs ago & it is still running. So now I think I can handle removing & replacing the parts of an axle..................but I am still rather ignorant about the "contact pattern" thing. Some day I will find someone to "hand hold" me thru the process & I will have reached another milestone in my life. -- Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh carlo.jr at comcast DOTnet '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O '92 Explorer '65 Mustang "Doug" <doug.schuler@verizon.net> wrote in message news:0TVae.2493$yc.1252@trnddc07...> nope - mine doesn't look that bad!> "L.W. ("Яill") Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net> wrote in message> news:426C1E71.31B35118@cox.net...> > Yup, Superior could fix this one right up:> > http://billhughes.com/dana35c/briansmit.jpg> > God Bless America, Яill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O> > mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/> > Jeff Strickland wrote:> >> You can do the Superior Gear Super35 with a locker for something like> >> 700,> >> and this is roughly equivelent to the D44 axles AND you get a locker.>
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L . W . Hughes III 25 April 2005 06:45:16 [ permanent link ]
	There's probably thousands of fractured pieces of axle that gravitate to the lowest point, the pinion bearings: http://billhughes.com/dana35c/brentDSC04516.jpg God Bless America, Гџill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ SoK66 wrote:> A friend of mine with a '93 YJ & 35s did this two years ago to "save money".> All was fine until it toasted the pinion bearings. Lasted about 5k miles.
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Carlo 25 April 2005 08:36:56 [ permanent link ]
	Thanks much - I have looked @ the diagrams in the FSM, in the manual that came with the bearing kit, in a JP magazine article, & even a VHS tape from Richmond Gear, etc - & looking at this one helps (it adds another bit to the other 10 I've looked at). Books & diagrams always help - but I think I'm going to have to find something that I'm not in a pinch to fix on a schedule & just play with it. As in the Nike TV ad - "Just Do It". -- Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh carlo.jr at comcast DOTnet '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O '92 Explorer '65 Mustang "L.W. (Яill) Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net> wrote in message news:426C5359.787EA0E@cox.net...> Hi Carlo,> I start with the shims that came off the old pinion, that's the> inaccuracy between the bores of that housing, usually that's close> enough for government work. The bluing in these examples are really a> negative of what we see: http://www.drivetrain.com/ringpinioninstal.html> God Bless America, Яill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O> mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/> Carlo wrote:> > funny you should mention this............> > My son had a problem w/his D35 (89 YJ). He is just using it to go back &> > forth to Chico State, so I thought I would just drive over to West Coast> > Differential for a master bearing kit & hire a friend of a friend to show me> > how to do the "contact pattern " thing. (I think I have looked @ 15 or illustrations - but need to do a "hands on" before I can truly understand> > it). Got home, jacked it up next day & pulled the cover ----2 teeth stuck to> > the magnetic filler hole plug-------back to West Coast Differential on> > Monday. Well, got to the point of doing the "contact pattern" thing & I> > asked "so how do you do this?" - he said "I don't know, I never have done> > that. I always go by feel.". We put it together, he felt it a couple of> > times & said "we should add some shims to the pinion" I told him that I .003", .005" & .010". he said to give him a .005", put it in & it felt good> > (to him). My neighbor has a tow truck service out of his home now, but used> > to own a garage & this guy worked for him for several years and he says that> > he did the rear end on his tow truck about 3 or 4 yrs ago & it is still> > running.> > So now I think I can handle removing & replacing the parts of an> > axle..................but I am still rather ignorant about the "contact> > pattern" thing. Some day I will find someone to "hand hold" me thru the> > process & I will have reached another milestone in my life.> > --> > Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh> > carlo.jr at comcast DOTnet> > '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II> > O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O> > '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
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