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Re: Army Jeeps- Highway usage

Paul Calman 13 April 2005 20:11:54
 Aside from not being designed for "around town" use, being unstable at
speed, poor gas mileage, and not too safe in a crash, the MBs are wonderful
and fun vehicles.
Perhaps you should be looking for a 2 wheel drive DJ postal Jeep, or even a
car.

Just my 2 cents
--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California


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Mike Romain 13 April 2005 21:00:43 permanent link ]
 Sounds like you should be looking at a CJ instead. That is the civilian
version with the same classic face and it can hold highway speeds just
fine.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

geigertube wrote:>
All,>
I'm considering buying an old army jeep, and fixing it up as a putt> around town vehicle. I'm not particularly interested in a completely> faithful restoration, at least as far as the internals go, but in> finding a good compromise between aesthetics and street functionality.>
Anyway, my main concern is with highway speeds. I read that these old> jeeps have a hard time getting above 45 without blowing the engines or> causing some other kind of serious trouble. What are my options for> getting an army jeep up to 65MPH or so? The websites I've seen so far> don't seem to be of much help.>
Thanks!>
steven
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L . W . Hughes III 13 April 2005 23:30:46 permanent link ]
 Hi Steve,
Find an Warn old overdrive pictured:
http://www.billhugh­es.com/Dana18.jpg
http://www.public.a­su.edu/~grover/willy­s/od.html
http://www.off-road­.com/jeep/tech/convx­fer/warnod.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/Dana18.jpg

geigertube wrote:>
All,>
I'm considering buying an old army jeep, and fixing it up as a putt> around town vehicle. I'm not particularly interested in a completely> faithful restoration, at least as far as the internals go, but in> finding a good compromise between aesthetics and street functionality.>
Anyway, my main concern is with highway speeds. I read that these old> jeeps have a hard time getting above 45 without blowing the engines or> causing some other kind of serious trouble. What are my options for> getting an army jeep up to 65MPH or so? The websites I've seen so far> don't seem to be of much help.>
Thanks!>
steven
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ElAlumbrado 14 April 2005 02:03:57 permanent link ]
 "geigertube" <stevensanders@gmai­l.com> wrote
I read that these old> jeeps have a hard time getting above 45 without blowing the engines or> causing some other kind of serious trouble. What are my options for> getting an army jeep up to 65MPH or so?

Forget it. Even a modern TJ 4-banger is not designed for "highway
speeds". My 2000 TJ 4-cylinder strains to reach 60-65.


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Bryan 14 April 2005 04:09:17 permanent link ]
 Got to disagree. My '05 TJ runs 65-70mph (70 is the limit here) highway all
the time here in WV, except for some of the steeper hills.
But again, the 2.4. has more power than the 2.5.
Mileage has been consistently between a low of 20 and a high of 24. Usually
22-23mpg.

Bryan



"ElAlumbrado" <elNOSPAMalumbrado@­yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a9051$425d92aa­$943f9512$1026@STARB­AND.NET...> "geigertube" <stevensanders@gmai­l.com> wrote>
I read that these old>> jeeps have a hard time getting above 45 without blowing the engines or>> causing some other kind of serious trouble. What are my options for>> getting an army jeep up to 65MPH or so?>
Forget it. Even a modern TJ 4-banger is not designed for "highway speeds". > My 2000 TJ 4-cylinder strains to reach 60-65.>


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Howard Eisenhauer 14 April 2005 05:01:54 permanent link ]
 military jeeps came with 5.38 gears in the differentials, not really
happy over 45 or so although they will get up to 60 on a straight
level road with a good tailwind ;) but it's hard on the engine.
Really, for "putting" around town you'd be fine.


If you have to spend appreaciable time over 45 than for ~$650 or so a
Warn or Saturn overdrive is the answer. With one of these you still
only get 60 mph, but you can do it without the tailwind & the engine
will be much happier. You rally don't want to go much faster than 60
in one of those things anyhow, that would tend to induce nervous
quivers in both you & the jeep :(­.

ODs are available from Herm Tilford @

http://www.hermtheo­verdriveguy.com/

Herms a real good guy, know his stuff inside out

If you decide you need to go faster than many people go with a Buick
V^ engine swap, cheap &easy.

If you arn't interested in staying "stock" or properly maintaining the
stock Ross steeringsetup than a saginaw steering conversion might
make sence also.

The one item I would really recommend from a safety standpoint would
be upgrading the brakes to 11" drums with a dual circuit master
cylinder. This also is a cheap & easy project if you can scrounge the
parts.

For mare info I'd sugest perusing the Willys Tech & M38A1 groups on
Yahoo as well as "The Early CJ5 &DauntlessV6"
(http://www.earlycj­5.com/)

and

"The CJ3B Page" (http://www.film.qu­eensu.ca/cj3b/)

websites.

Howard.

http://users.eastli­nk.ca/~howarde/Tonka­.html


On 13 Apr 2005 09:04:13 -0700, "geigertube" <stevensanders@gmai­l.com>
wrote:
All,>
I'm considering buying an old army jeep, and fixing it up as a putt>around town vehicle. I'm not particularly interested in a completely>faithful­ restoration, at least as far as the internals go, but in>finding a good compromise between aesthetics and street functionality.>
Anyway, my main concern is with highway speeds. I read that these old>jeeps have a hard time getting above 45 without blowing the engines or>causing some other kind of serious trouble. What are my options for>getting an army jeep up to 65MPH or so? The websites I've seen so far>don't seem to be of much help. >
Thanks!>
steven

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Will Honea 14 April 2005 08:50:16 permanent link ]
 On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:04:13 UTC "geigertube"
<stevensanders@gmai­l.com> wrote:
All,>
I'm considering buying an old army jeep, and fixing it up as a putt> around town vehicle. I'm not particularly interested in a completely> faithful restoration, at least as far as the internals go, but in> finding a good compromise between aesthetics and street functionality.>
Anyway, my main concern is with highway speeds. I read that these old> jeeps have a hard time getting above 45 without blowing the engines or> causing some other kind of serious trouble. What are my options for> getting an army jeep up to 65MPH or so? The websites I've seen so far> don't seem to be of much help.

Years back I drove a '48 MB for a couple of years. It would get up to
55-60 on the downhil sections of the Garden State Parkway if you had a
tail wind, but it sounded like it was wound so tight that you didn't
stay yher too long. What I remember most about it was the stability.
With the short wheel base and narrow track keeping it on the road was
a full time job at or above 50mph and staying in one lane was
questionable, especially if there was any crosswind. Great fun when I
was young and stupid but not my idea of a touring car.

--
Will Honea
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ElAlumbrado 14 April 2005 09:37:23 permanent link ]
 "Bryan" <frametype@yahoo.co­m> wrote in message
news:Nwi7e.1165$eR.­1074@news02.roc.ny..­.> Got to disagree. My '05 TJ runs 65-70mph (70 is the limit here) > highway all the time here in WV, except for some of the steeper hills.> But again, the 2.4. has more power than the 2.5.> Mileage has been consistently between a low of 20 and a high of 24. > Usually 22-23mpg.>
Bryan

Bryan, my 2000 TJ has *never* delivered better than 17, and I usually
expect 14. That little engine is so anemic and the Jeep is geared so low
that 70, for me, is wishful thinking. Here in West Texas the speed limit
is 75, but most traffic travels between 85 and 90, and 100+ on lonely
desert highways is to be expected. The only time my Jeep sees the
highway (and just about the only time it sees pavement) is when it's
being towed behind my RV.

Maybe it's the new 6-speed that makes the difference.

Bill


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L . W . Hughes III 14 April 2005 10:11:29 permanent link ]
 So you don't see yourself doing the Rat Patrol:
http://www.omencity­.com/thetedster/jeep­thing/flying.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/

Will Honea wrote:>
Years back I drove a '48 MB for a couple of years. It would get up to> 55-60 on the downhil sections of the Garden State Parkway if you had a> tail wind, but it sounded like it was wound so tight that you didn't> stay yher too long. What I remember most about it was the stability.> With the short wheel base and narrow track keeping it on the road was> a full time job at or above 50mph and staying in one lane was> questionable, especially if there was any crosswind. Great fun when I> was young and stupid but not my idea of a touring car.>
--> Will Honea
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Billzz 14 April 2005 10:33:56 permanent link ]
 "ElAlumbrado" <elNOSPAMalumbrado@­yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:d8d31$425e01a9­$943f9512$13604@STAR­BAND.NET...> "Bryan" <frametype@yahoo.co­m> wrote in message > news:Nwi7e.1165$eR.­1074@news02.roc.ny..­.>> Got to disagree. My '05 TJ runs 65-70mph (70 is the limit here) highway >> all the time here in WV, except for some of the steeper hills.>> But again, the 2.4. has more power than the 2.5.>> Mileage has been consistently between a low of 20 and a high of 24. >> Usually 22-23mpg.>>
Bryan>
Bryan, my 2000 TJ has *never* delivered better than 17, and I usually > expect 14. That little engine is so anemic and the Jeep is geared so low > that 70, for me, is wishful thinking. Here in West Texas the speed limit > is 75, but most traffic travels between 85 and 90, and 100+ on lonely > desert highways is to be expected. The only time my Jeep sees the highway > (and just about the only time it sees pavement) is when it's being towed > behind my RV.>
Maybe it's the new 6-speed that makes the difference.>
Bill

I'm just adding my two cents to this thread because maybe it will help the
original poster.

I spent twenty-six years in the army with many thousands of hours in M38,
M151, and other assorted vehicles, including the combat development command
where we tested some strange things.

The design was for off-road, meaning that the tires (look at them) are for
mud and not for high-speed, or even wet weather on asphalt. An original Jeep
tire will hydroplane easily, in rain, and, if dry, will get very hot at
highway speeds, since it is riding on only the center high point.

The power train, and the short wheelbase chassis, is more for pulling stumps
than driving in a straight line, at any speed.

We have had more soldier accidents on highways than off-road, and a lot of
the safety briefings were devoted to driving on the highway, where the
driver is constantly fighting the large wheels going in every direction.
Remember, the military Jeeps did not have tire balancing, front end
alignments, etc. Nothing that the modern car has to have to drive in a
straight line at highway speeds.

And shall I tell you about convoying Jeeps in the rain? The vacuum wipers
that slow to nothing when you accelerate. The canvas top that blows up then
down with a whack that makes you hold your ears. The heater - oh wait -
there's no heater. The small tail lights that you only see when you are ten
feet away -oops! The wonderful olive drab paint that means nobody can see
you in the dark -oops!

Not me.


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Will Honea 14 April 2005 11:34:40 permanent link ]
 LOL.

That old heap (it was the one we painted with reflectorized
International Orange) had a homemade metal half cab. Pax side had
extra headroom due to the humongous dimple caused by somebody hitting
their head right smarlty as it took a ditch just a tad fast (no seat
belts in the 50's). Today, I would need about 4 inches of Dr. Schoals
gel pads for my hemroids to survive one of those jumps.

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 06:11:29 UTC L.W.(ßill) Hughes III
<billhughes@cox.net­> wrote:
So you don't see yourself doing the Rat Patrol:> http://www.omencity­.com/thetedster/jeep­thing/flying.jpg > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O> mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/>
Will Honea wrote:> >
Years back I drove a '48 MB for a couple of years. It would get up to> > 55-60 on the downhil sections of the Garden State Parkway if you had a> > tail wind, but it sounded like it was wound so tight that you didn't> > stay yher too long. What I remember most about it was the stability.> > With the short wheel base and narrow track keeping it on the road was> > a full time job at or above 50mph and staying in one lane was> > questionable, especially if there was any crosswind. Great fun when I> > was young and stupid but not my idea of a touring car.> >
--> > Will Honea


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Will Honea
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Bryan 14 April 2005 22:32:49 permanent link ]
 
"ElAlumbrado" <elNOSPAMalumbrado@­yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:d8d31$425e01a9­$943f9512$13604@STAR­BAND.NET...
Bryan, my 2000 TJ has *never* delivered better than 17, and I usually > expect 14. That little engine is so anemic and the Jeep is geared so low > that 70, for me, is wishful thinking. Here in West Texas the speed limit > is 75, but most traffic travels between 85 and 90, and 100+ on lonely > desert highways is to be expected. The only time my Jeep sees the highway > (and just about the only time it sees pavement) is when it's being towed > behind my RV.>
Maybe it's the new 6-speed that makes the difference.>
Bill>

Bill,

The 6 speed helps, and the 2.4 is, IMHO, an improvement also, with more
power than the 2.5
I would not want to try to keep up with traffic at the speeds you describe,
and I don't think my TJ would be up to that either.
But I can do 70mph fine on the interstate, with some drops to 5th gear and
60-65mph on the longer or steeper hills, or against strong headwinds.
My good mileage I attribute to spending most of my time on rural roads at
45-55mph.
For what it is worth, I have test driven several 2.5 Wranglers, and was put
off by the poor performance, and I did not want to buy a 6 cylinder, as
whatever I own must also do double duty as my daily driver. I drive a lot as
part of my job, and so every mpg means a great deal.
The 2.4 caught my attention, and with the addition of the 6-speed, it was
time to go to the dealership and try again.
I was pleased with the improvement over the 2.5/5-speeds.

Of course, I wouldn't mind a 6 cylinder Rubicon, but banks are funny about
wanting their payments on time !
:-)­

Bryan







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aGraham 14 April 2005 23:17:40 permanent link ]
 I used my '48 Willys for about 6 months to commute a 40 mile round trip
to college. Was a fun ride, no highways. Got a lot of strange looks
around campus, and should could fit in about any open parking spot. I
would not recommend it but it sure was a fun ride.



In article <lHy7e.1284$8x1.580­@news02.roc.ny>,
"Bryan" <frametype@yahoo.co­m> wrote:
"ElAlumbrado" <elNOSPAMalumbrado@­yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:d8d31$425e01a9­$943f9512$13604@STAR­BAND.NET...>
Bryan, my 2000 TJ has *never* delivered better than 17, and I usually > > expect 14. That little engine is so anemic and the Jeep is geared so low > > that 70, for me, is wishful thinking. Here in West Texas the speed limit > > is 75, but most traffic travels between 85 and 90, and 100+ on lonely > > desert highways is to be expected. The only time my Jeep sees the highway > > (and just about the only time it sees pavement) is when it's being towed > > behind my RV.> >
Maybe it's the new 6-speed that makes the difference.> >
Bill> >
Bill,>
The 6 speed helps, and the 2.4 is, IMHO, an improvement also, with more > power than the 2.5> I would not want to try to keep up with traffic at the speeds you describe, > and I don't think my TJ would be up to that either.> But I can do 70mph fine on the interstate, with some drops to 5th gear and > 60-65mph on the longer or steeper hills, or against strong headwinds.> My good mileage I attribute to spending most of my time on rural roads at > 45-55mph.> For what it is worth, I have test driven several 2.5 Wranglers, and was put > off by the poor performance, and I did not want to buy a 6 cylinder, as > whatever I own must also do double duty as my daily driver. I drive a lot as > part of my job, and so every mpg means a great deal.> The 2.4 caught my attention, and with the addition of the 6-speed, it was > time to go to the dealership and try again.> I was pleased with the improvement over the 2.5/5-speeds.>
Of course, I wouldn't mind a 6 cylinder Rubicon, but banks are funny about > wanting their payments on time !> :-)­>
Bryan

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Bryan 14 April 2005 23:49:55 permanent link ]
 

"aGraham" <aarongraham@mac.co­m.removeme> wrote in message
news:aarongraham-93­CD93.15173714042005@­corp-radius.supernew­s.com...>I used my '48 Willys for about 6 months to commute a 40 mile round trip> to college. Was a fun ride, no highways. Got a lot of strange looks> around campus, and should could fit in about any open parking spot. I> would not recommend it but it sure was a fun ride.>

My father-in-law had an old Willy's when my wife was very young. Lot's of
fun memories for him (and her). He swears it would go anywhere, and won a
few bets by chaining it up to some friends pick ups and seeing who could
pull who !
Of course, they didn't have 4 wheels drive, either.

Our new TJ has brought back some old memories for her, and inspired new
ones, as it has prompted us to take some wonderful rides in the mountains
with our son.

Bryan


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Eric 15 April 2005 02:39:44 permanent link ]
 My 1999 TJ gets 18mpg without a problem. I have the 2.5L with a 5 speed.

Also have 4" of lift and 33x12.5 BFG MTs. I get up to 60-65 without a
problem. 70mph is doable without a head wind and no hills. I use 5th gear
all the time too.

And yes, my speedo is dead on (replaced gear, verified with GPS). I've done
a few engine mods, but nothing serious: Cold air intake, throttle body from
a 4.0L, and dynomax cat-back exhaust. But the most important mod was the TB
spacer! YA! (heheheh...)

Eric
99 TJ SE
"ElAlumbrado" <elNOSPAMalumbrado@­yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:d8d31$425e01a9­$943f9512$13604@STAR­BAND.NET...> "Bryan" <frametype@yahoo.co­m> wrote in message > news:Nwi7e.1165$eR.­1074@news02.roc.ny..­.>> Got to disagree. My '05 TJ runs 65-70mph (70 is the limit here) highway >> all the time here in WV, except for some of the steeper hills.>> But again, the 2.4. has more power than the 2.5.>> Mileage has been consistently between a low of 20 and a high of 24. >> Usually 22-23mpg.>>
Bryan>
Bryan, my 2000 TJ has *never* delivered better than 17, and I usually > expect 14. That little engine is so anemic and the Jeep is geared so low > that 70, for me, is wishful thinking. Here in West Texas the speed limit > is 75, but most traffic travels between 85 and 90, and 100+ on lonely > desert highways is to be expected. The only time my Jeep sees the highway > (and just about the only time it sees pavement) is when it's being towed > behind my RV.>
Maybe it's the new 6-speed that makes the difference.>
Bill>


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Jeff DeWitt 19 April 2005 05:07:26 permanent link ]
 As you aren't that concerned with keeping it stock one thing you might
consider is a swap that I've heard was popular years ago, replacing the
little 4 cylinder with a Studebaker Champion 6. They aren't all that
big, their tough, believe it or not there is a fair amount of hop up
stuff available for them, and apparently they had the same bolt pattern
so they will pretty much bolt right in (which is why they were a common
swap in the old days).

Just found this interesting article...

http://www.jpmagazi­ne.com/thehistoryof/­5426/

http://www.cathcart­sstudebaker.com/

Just a thought...

Oh, and whatever you do put some modern tires on it!

Jeff DeWitt

geigertube wrote:> All,>
I'm considering buying an old army jeep, and fixing it up as a putt> around town vehicle. I'm not particularly interested in a completely> faithful restoration, at least as far as the internals go, but in> finding a good compromise between aesthetics and street functionality.>
Anyway, my main concern is with highway speeds. I read that these old> jeeps have a hard time getting above 45 without blowing the engines or> causing some other kind of serious trouble. What are my options for> getting an army jeep up to 65MPH or so? The websites I've seen so far> don't seem to be of much help. >
Thanks!>
steven>
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Bryan 22 April 2005 22:21:56 permanent link ]
 Got to disagree. My '05 TJ runs 65-70mph (70 is the limit here) highway all
the time here in WV, except for some of the steeper hills.
But again, the 2.4. has more power than the 2.5.
Mileage has been consistently between a low of 20 and a high of 24. Usually
22-23mpg.

Bryan



"ElAlumbrado" <elNOSPAMalumbrado@­yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a9051$425d92aa­$943f9512$1026@STARB­AND.NET...> "geigertube" <stevensanders@gmai­l.com> wrote>
I read that these old>> jeeps have a hard time getting above 45 without blowing the engines or>> causing some other kind of serious trouble. What are my options for>> getting an army jeep up to 65MPH or so?>
Forget it. Even a modern TJ 4-banger is not designed for "highway speeds". > My 2000 TJ 4-cylinder strains to reach 60-65.>


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Bryan 22 April 2005 22:21:56 permanent link ]
 Got to disagree. My '05 TJ runs 65-70mph (70 is the limit here) highway all
the time here in WV, except for some of the steeper hills.
But again, the 2.4. has more power than the 2.5.
Mileage has been consistently between a low of 20 and a high of 24. Usually
22-23mpg.

Bryan



"ElAlumbrado" <elNOSPAMalumbrado@­yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a9051$425d92aa­$943f9512$1026@STARB­AND.NET...> "geigertube" <stevensanders@gmai­l.com> wrote>
I read that these old>> jeeps have a hard time getting above 45 without blowing the engines or>> causing some other kind of serious trouble. What are my options for>> getting an army jeep up to 65MPH or so?>
Forget it. Even a modern TJ 4-banger is not designed for "highway speeds". > My 2000 TJ 4-cylinder strains to reach 60-65.>


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Bryan 22 April 2005 22:21:56 permanent link ]
 Eric,

What rear end ratio are you running?

Currently I am running the stock 3.73


Bryan



"Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorn­er.com> wrote in message
news:QiC7e.2930$h6.­2575@tornado.texas.r­r.com...> My 1999 TJ gets 18mpg without a problem. I have the 2.5L with a 5 speed.>
Also have 4" of lift and 33x12.5 BFG MTs. I get up to 60-65 without a > problem. 70mph is doable without a head wind and no hills. I use 5th > gear all the time too.>
And yes, my speedo is dead on (replaced gear, verified with GPS). I've > done a few engine mods, but nothing serious: Cold air intake, throttle > body from a 4.0L, and dynomax cat-back exhaust. But the most important > mod was the TB spacer! YA! (heheheh...)>
Eric> 99 TJ SE



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Eric 23 April 2005 09:53:52 permanent link ]
 The 2.5s came stock with 4.10s.

Eric
99 TJ SE

"Bryan" <frametype@yahoo.co­m> wrote in message
news:%5D7e.3643$hg.­182@news01.roc.ny...­> Eric,>
What rear end ratio are you running?>
Currently I am running the stock 3.73>
Bryan>
"Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorn­er.com> wrote in message > news:QiC7e.2930$h6.­2575@tornado.texas.r­r.com...>> My 1999 TJ gets 18mpg without a problem. I have the 2.5L with a 5 speed.>>
Also have 4" of lift and 33x12.5 BFG MTs. I get up to 60-65 without a >> problem. 70mph is doable without a head wind and no hills. I use 5th >> gear all the time too.>>
And yes, my speedo is dead on (replaced gear, verified with GPS). I've >> done a few engine mods, but nothing serious: Cold air intake, throttle >> body from a 4.0L, and dynomax cat-back exhaust. But the most important >> mod was the TB spacer! YA! (heheheh...)>>
Eric>> 99 TJ SE>


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