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CarGuru > Jeep Willys > rear seal leak 9 April 2005 06:50:46

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rear seal leak

HomeBrewer 31 March 2005 08:03:59
 would a leaking rear seal cause low oil pressure at idle when warm? Jeep in
question has 60 psi cold - then drops to 5-10 at idle after it warms up. new
mechanical autometer guage too.

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L . W . Hughes III 31 March 2005 10:51:32 permanent link ]
 Are you running at 240 degrees? Switch to 20/50.
Your external oil pump commonly gets smacked by the differential,
if the bump stops were ever missing. It's pressure relief may be jammed
wide open. Jammed shut, usually blows the oil filter off. Usually takes
buy the whole timing chain cover:
http://www.drivetra­in.com/jeepenginepar­ts.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/

HomeBrewer wrote:>
would a leaking rear seal cause low oil pressure at idle when warm? Jeep in> question has 60 psi cold - then drops to 5-10 at idle after it warms up. new> mechanical autometer guage too.>
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Mike Romain 31 March 2005 17:53:54 permanent link ]
 Nope.

The crank seals don't really relate to oil pressure, just the bearing
clearances.

How many miles on the engine?

The book calls for 10 psi per 1000 rpm, so your hot idle isn't too far
out. If it was too low, the valve train would start to get noisy after
idling for a while.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

HomeBrewer wrote:>
would a leaking rear seal cause low oil pressure at idle when warm? Jeep in> question has 60 psi cold - then drops to 5-10 at idle after it warms up. new> mechanical autometer guage too.>
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Jeff Strickland 31 March 2005 21:07:44 permanent link ]
 ????

What are you talking about? I didn't see any reference to 240 degrees.





"L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net­> wrote in message
news:424B9DF4.AD3E7­593@cox.net...> Are you running at 240 degrees? Switch to 20/50.> Your external oil pump commonly gets smacked by the differential,> if the bump stops were ever missing. It's pressure relief may be jammed> wide open. Jammed shut, usually blows the oil filter off. Usually takes> buy the whole timing chain cover:> http://www.drivetra­in.com/jeepenginepar­ts.html> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O> mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/>
HomeBrewer wrote:> >
would a leaking rear seal cause low oil pressure at idle when warm? Jeep
question has 60 psi cold - then drops to 5-10 at idle after it warms up.
mechanical autometer guage too.> >
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L . W . Hughes III 31 March 2005 23:42:18 permanent link ]
 Apparently you are oblivious to the fact that oil viscosity is
effected by an over heated engine. I thought you owned a motorhome, or
did they put idiot lights in it for you?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/

Jeff Strickland wrote:>
????>
What are you talking about? I didn't see any reference to 240 degrees.
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Jeff Strickland 1 April 2005 02:07:28 permanent link ]
 I bought it used, they put idiots lights in for somebody else.

The OP made no suggestion of overheating. He made no mention of heating at
all other than to say that the oil pressure dropped after the motor reached
normal operating tempurature, which is common.



"L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net­> wrote in message
news:424C529A.FCDA9­C70@cox.net...> Apparently you are oblivious to the fact that oil viscosity is> effected by an over heated engine. I thought you owned a motorhome, or> did they put idiot lights in it for you?> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O> mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/>
Jeff Strickland wrote:> >
????> >
What are you talking about? I didn't see any reference to 240 degrees.


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L . W . Hughes III 1 April 2005 02:29:57 permanent link ]
 And I was fishing for his problem knowing he recently rebuilt his
304" which normally is never less than a hot idle of forty pounds.
Maybe, I should have told him he failed to prelude it's inserts.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/

Jeff Strickland wrote:>
I bought it used, they put idiots lights in for somebody else.>
The OP made no suggestion of overheating. He made no mention of heating at> all other than to say that the oil pressure dropped after the motor reached> normal operating tempurature, which is common.
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Mike Romain 1 April 2005 02:47:05 permanent link ]
 Ouch, I hope you are mistaken about that rebuild Bill....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"L.W.(ßill) Hughes III" wrote:>
And I was fishing for his problem knowing he recently rebuilt his> 304" which normally is never less than a hot idle of forty pounds.> Maybe, I should have told him he failed to prelude it's inserts.> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O> mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/>
Jeff Strickland wrote:> >
I bought it used, they put idiots lights in for somebody else.> >
The OP made no suggestion of overheating. He made no mention of heating at> > all other than to say that the oil pressure dropped after the motor reached> > normal operating tempurature, which is common.
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HomeBrewer 2 April 2005 06:56:11 permanent link ]
 Man I'm bummed that the news.individual.net­ started charging for the
service. It's back the the isp service for me.
Are you running at 240 degrees? Switch to 20/50.> Your external oil pump commonly gets smacked by the differential,> if the bump stops were ever missing. It's pressure relief may be jammed> wide open. Jammed shut, usually blows the oil filter off. Usually takes> buy the whole timing chain cover:

Nope, it runs right at 195 and has no unusual noise. The oil pump has new
parts and has not been smacked.



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HomeBrewer 2 April 2005 07:18:33 permanent link ]
 

How many miles on the engine?
500 now
The book calls for 10 psi per 1000 rpm, so your hot idle isn't too far> out. If it was too low, the valve train would start to get noisy after> idling for a while.

It has no unusual noice at all, and plenty of power. It idles at ~7-800 and
psi is above 10 at hot idle. I posted 5-10 psi, but after rechecking the
gauge it's above 10 psi at it's lowest.


Mike> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's>
HomeBrewer wrote:>>
would a leaking rear seal cause low oil pressure at idle when warm? Jeep >> in>> question has 60 psi cold - then drops to 5-10 at idle after it warms up. >> new>> mechanical autometer guage too.>>
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L . W . Hughes III 2 April 2005 11:09:38 permanent link ]
 That's still way too low, something wrong! A V8 by any manufacture
should never be less than forty pounds as we see in these mechanic's
guide lines: http://www.billhugh­es.com/amchpchart.jp­g
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com

HomeBrewer wrote:>
It has no unusual noice at all, and plenty of power. It idles at ~7-800 and> psi is above 10 at hot idle. I posted 5-10 psi, but after rechecking the> gauge it's above 10 psi at it's lowest.
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Mike Romain 2 April 2005 17:46:33 permanent link ]
 My 'new' engine is a bone stock 1978 with low miles one someone sold
me. It still has double your oil pressure at idle....

Just keep a close ear out for the knock. When it starts you 'might' be
able to open up the bottom pan and just slip some bearings in to jury
rig it to run a little while longer if you catch it quick.

Mike

HomeBrewer wrote:>
How many miles on the engine?> 500 now>
The book calls for 10 psi per 1000 rpm, so your hot idle isn't too far> > out. If it was too low, the valve train would start to get noisy after> > idling for a while.>
It has no unusual noice at all, and plenty of power. It idles at ~7-800 and> psi is above 10 at hot idle. I posted 5-10 psi, but after rechecking the> gauge it's above 10 psi at it's lowest.>
Mike> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's> >
HomeBrewer wrote:> >>
would a leaking rear seal cause low oil pressure at idle when warm? Jeep> >> in> >> question has 60 psi cold - then drops to 5-10 at idle after it warms up.> >> new> >> mechanical autometer guage too.> >>
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HomeBrewer 2 April 2005 20:36:27 permanent link ]
 
You 'really' should have put a new set of main bearings and maybe a> re-turned crank in it.

It has new main bearings from this kit:
http://store.summit­racing.com/default.a­sp?Ntt=amc+304+rebui­ld&Ntk=KeywordSearch­&DDS=1&searchinresul­ts=false&N=0&target=­egnsearch.asp
I don't know if the crank was turned or not, but there is a $330 machine
shop receipt that is somwhat unreadable, but does say crankshaft
something....

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HomeBrewer 9 April 2005 05:39:34 permanent link ]
 
That's still way too low, something wrong! A V8 by any manufacture> should never be less than forty pounds as we see in these mechanic's> guide lines: http://www.billhugh­es.com/amchpchart.jp­g

I found the problem. I removed the pan to replace the rear seal and found
the oil pickup screen clogged with excess rtv that came from the oil pan or
somewhere. There was also tons of rtv behind the original rear main seal
whic deformed the seal and caused the leak. After cleaning the pickup
screen, replacing the main bearings and rear main I now have 50-55 psi cold
and 30 psi hot idle.


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Mike Romain 9 April 2005 05:57:56 permanent link ]
 HomeBrewer wrote:>
That's still way too low, something wrong! A V8 by any manufacture> > should never be less than forty pounds as we see in these mechanic's> > guide lines: http://www.billhugh­es.com/amchpchart.jp­g>
I found the problem. I removed the pan to replace the rear seal and found> the oil pickup screen clogged with excess rtv that came from the oil pan or> somewhere. There was also tons of rtv behind the original rear main seal> whic deformed the seal and caused the leak. After cleaning the pickup> screen, replacing the main bearings and rear main I now have 50-55 psi cold> and 30 psi hot idle.

Thanks for the follow up, it's nice to see cheap fixes....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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L . W . Hughes III 9 April 2005 06:50:46 permanent link ]
 Cool, thanks for telling us what your problem was.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/

HomeBrewer wrote:>
I found the problem. I removed the pan to replace the rear seal and found> the oil pickup screen clogged with excess rtv that came from the oil pan or> somewhere. There was also tons of rtv behind the original rear main seal> whic deformed the seal and caused the leak. After cleaning the pickup> screen, replacing the main bearings and rear main I now have 50-55 psi cold> and 30 psi hot idle.
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