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O.T. An interesting demonstration on gun safety?
FrankW 21 March 2005 19:24:50
	More scary than funny http://mmslb.eonstreams.com/b/ccri/tn_memphis/fb3720bvf74bf487ebu/deaclass.wmv
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L . W . Hughes III 22 March 2005 01:13:01 [ permanent link ]
	Hi Frank, Isn't that what we've learned to expect from teachers, and other bleeding heart liberals? I liked the added effect of the little girl screaming her head off, stopping this "professional" from touching the next weapon. God Bless America, Гџill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ FrankW wrote:> More scary than funny> http://media.ebaumsworld.com/deaclass.wmv
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HarryS 22 March 2005 01:23:21 [ permanent link ]
	And the rest of the story http://www.local6.com/news/4299670/detail.html -- HarryS My 2ў "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message news:24idndN32ZaqeqPfRVn-tg@magma.ca... \| More scary than funny \| \| http://mmslb.eonstreams.com/b/ccri/tn_memphis/fb3720bvf74bf487ebu/deaclass.wmv \|
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L . W . Hughes III 22 March 2005 02:23:05 [ permanent link ]
	You know, I thought this was a hoax, designed to troll with. At nine years old I was taught by the 4H Club to open the bolt before I left the firing range. That's of course to let everyone see the chamber is empty, just like on inspection in the military we slid and locked the weapon open, and monetarily looked down at it as we presented it. This television station was worried about disclosing the identity of this agent, he should have been fired! It was open and he still didn't see the round! God Bless America, Гџill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ HarryS wrote:> And the rest of the story> http://www.local6.com/news/4299670/detail.html> --> HarryS My 2Вў
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HarryS 22 March 2005 02:37:40 [ permanent link ]
	I thought it was a travesty because an agent interviewed was more worried about identifying under cover agents than an agent possibility killing a grade school student due to his ineptness of Rule #1, always treat all weapons as loaded and if they are unloaded treat them as if they were loaded. 21 years professionally handling and training firearm use and I have never seen such a screw up. Don't you love modern technology to get all on tape, a Judge nor the DEA can dispute the facts. -- HarryS My 2ў "L.W. ("Яill") Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net> wrote in message news:423F4949.CEC3E071@cox.net... \| You know, I thought this was a hoax, designed to troll with. At \| nine years old I was taught by the 4H Club to open the bolt before I \| left the firing range. That's of course to let everyone see the chamber \| is empty, just like on inspection in the military we slid and locked the \| weapon open, and monetarily looked down at it as we presented it. This \| television station was worried about disclosing the identity of this \| agent, he should have been fired! It was open and he still didn't see \| the round! \| God Bless America, Яill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O \| mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ \| \| HarryS wrote: \| > \| > And the rest of the story \| > \| > http://www.local6.com/news/4299670/detail.html \| > \| > -- \| > HarryS My 2ў
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L . W . Hughes III 22 March 2005 02:59:54 [ permanent link ]
	Amen. God Bless America, Гџill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ HarryS wrote:> I thought it was a travesty because an agent interviewed was more worried> about identifying under cover agents than an agent possibility killing a> grade school student due to his ineptness of Rule #1, always treat all> weapons as loaded and if they are unloaded treat them as if they were> loaded. 21 years professionally handling and training firearm use and I> have never seen such a screw up. Don't you love modern technology to get> all on tape, a Judge nor the DEA can dispute the facts.
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Rusted 22 March 2005 03:49:11 [ permanent link ]
	He is a big guy, a 40 doesn't have a lot of recoil, but it should have some.... Can you see any recoil? even a little?? You don't think the guy would put a blank in there to give the kids something to think about? Or what a good stage for an anti-gun activist. After all after he was shot he did continue with his presentation, seems like it would be a good time to sit down and lick your wounds. Video seems fishy to me. "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message news:24idndN32ZaqeqPfRVn-tg@magma.ca...> More scary than funny> http://mmslb.eonstreams.com/b/ccri/tn_memphis/fb3720bvf74bf487ebu/deaclass.wmv>
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William Oliveri 22 March 2005 04:55:56 [ permanent link ]
	Me too. Looks like the trajectory of the bullet would miss his foot entirely. Not only that, no one rushed up to see if he was alright, not even his staff. On the gun side, I can't see and I don't know anything about a Glock 40 but it seem to be safe there should be no clip in the weapon. When he closed the chamber he also should check to see if there is anything in the chamber. Especially in a room full of kids. In fact, he/they should have thoroughly checked the weapons before they brought them to a class and perhaps somehow disabled them (remove the firing pin, etc). Looks real fishy to me. "Rusted" <noEmail@please.com> wrote in message news:QeJ%d.1548$2K.495@fe50.usenetserver.com...> He is a big guy, a 40 doesn't have a lot of recoil, but it should have> some.... Can you see any recoil? even a little?? You don't think the would put a blank in there to give the kids something to think about? Or> what a good stage for an anti-gun activist. After all after he was shot> he did continue with his presentation, seems like it would be a good time sit down and lick your wounds. Video seems fishy to me.> "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message> news:24idndN32ZaqeqPfRVn-tg@magma.ca...> > More scary than funny> > http://mmslb.eonstreams.com/b/ccri/tn_memphis/fb3720bvf74bf487ebu/deaclass.wmv> >
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L . W . Hughes III 22 March 2005 05:42:28 [ permanent link ]
	Hi William, You and every American need to take a class in firearm safety. The semi automatic being shown was previously loaded with clip and one round chambered. Pulling the clip does nothing to remove the chambered shell, that's why we pull the slide back to eject that round. Unfortunately this idiot just pulled it back far enough to lock it open, but not clear it, or cradled it in an open hand up side down to catch the round and it slide back into the bore, as pictured: http://www.billhughes.com/browning2.jpg If every one was trained, I firmly believe we wouldn't have another eight plus students killed today. God Bless America, Гџill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com William Oliveri wrote:> Me too. Looks like the trajectory of the bullet would miss his foot> entirely. Not only that, no one rushed up to see if he was alright, not> even his staff. On the gun side, I can't see and I don't know anything> about a Glock 40 but it seem to be safe there should be no clip in the> weapon. When he closed the chamber he also should check to see if there is> anything in the chamber. Especially in a room full of kids. In fact,> he/they should have thoroughly checked the weapons before they brought them> to a class and perhaps somehow disabled them (remove the firing pin, etc).> Looks real fishy to me.
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Rusted 22 March 2005 09:00:33 [ permanent link ]
	There are too many fishy things wrong with that video. Getting shot and continuing? No aid check you out? Wrong trajectory (good point there), no recoil?? Also the timing of the shot seemed to flow very well with his presentation. Also Bill if you pull a slide of a Glock back far enough to lock it open it will eject the chambered round. Also any of the firearm training classes that I have been to there has been a rule about no ammo allowed in the same room as the firearms. Nothing that I know of requires that to be a rule, but it makes good sense. Accidents do happen all of the time with about every items we own, I just don't think that we witnessed an accident here. "L.W. ("Яill") Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net> wrote in message news:423F7804.61538C36@cox.net...> Hi William,> You and every American need to take a class in firearm safety. The> semi automatic being shown was previously loaded with clip and one round> chambered. Pulling the clip does nothing to remove the chambered shell,> that's why we pull the slide back to eject that round. Unfortunately> this idiot just pulled it back far enough to lock it open, but not clear> it, or cradled it in an open hand up side down to catch the round and it> slide back into the bore, as pictured:> http://www.billhughes.com/browning2.jpg If every one was trained, I> firmly believe we wouldn't have another eight plus students killed> today.> God Bless America, Яill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O> mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com> William Oliveri wrote:>> Me too. Looks like the trajectory of the bullet would miss his foot>> entirely. Not only that, no one rushed up to see if he was alright, not>> even his staff. On the gun side, I can't see and I don't know anything>> about a Glock 40 but it seem to be safe there should be no clip in the>> weapon. When he closed the chamber he also should check to see if there >> is>> anything in the chamber. Especially in a room full of kids. In fact,>> he/they should have thoroughly checked the weapons before they brought >> them>> to a class and perhaps somehow disabled them (remove the firing pin, >> etc).>> Looks real fishy to me.
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Rusted 22 March 2005 11:22:17 [ permanent link ]
	I agree, all weapons are loaded all of the time. Just odd to me that there would even be ammo in the room with a school demonstration like that. Being an officer maybe the weapon for his duty weapon would have ammo, but not any of the guns used for the demonstration. What I hate is that video is off-base in so many ways, but show that to the public and like sheep they all believe what they see. I call it a phony! "L.W. ("Яill") Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net> wrote in message news:423FB75B.45AC0153@cox.net...> There really isn't much recoil on 40 caliber semi automatic, most> of it blows back to eject and reload. It's designed like the 9 mm not to> go through a flak jacket, like it's not a Real pistol like my 45:> http://www.billhughes.com/browning.jpg or my 44 Magnum:> http://www.billhughes.com/44_22.jpg> "I have been to there has been a rule about no ammo allowed in the> same room as the firearms." What plant are you on? All weapons are> loaded. Period!> God Bless America, Яill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O> mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com> Rusted wrote:>> There are too many fishy things wrong with that video. Getting shot and>> continuing? No aid check you out? Wrong trajectory (good point there), >> no>> recoil?? Also the timing of the shot seemed to flow very well with his>> presentation. Also Bill if you pull a slide of a Glock back far enough >> to>> lock it open it will eject the chambered round.>> Also any of the firearm training classes that I have been to there has >> been>> a rule about no ammo allowed in the same room as the firearms. Nothing >> that>> I know of requires that to be a rule, but it makes good sense. Accidents >> do>> happen all of the time with about every items we own, I just don't think>> that we witnessed an accident here.
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Jeff Olsen 22 March 2005 13:53:44 [ permanent link ]
	in article 423FB75B.45AC0153@cox.net, L.W. Hughes III (Гџill) at billhughes@cox.net wrote on 3/21/05 10:12 PM: There really isn't much recoil on 40 caliber semi automatic, most> of it blows back to eject and reload. Bull pucky! They jump pretty good in the hand. You'd certainly see it (I have not seen the video). Not like a .44 mag, granted, but I've shot thousands of rounds of .40 and it certainly recoils, especially in a polymer-frame gun. It's designed like the 9 mm not to> go through a flak jacket, like it's not a Real pistol like my 45:> http://www.billhughes.com/browning.jpg or my 44 Magnum:> http://www.billhughes.com/44_22.jpg I can carry my .40's, but my .45 ACP and .44 magnum are too big for daily carry. I carry the .45 or 44 mag in the woods, though. A .40 is a good manstopper and in my little Kahr pistol very concealable. A much more appropriate round than 44 mag for killing people in any kind of enviroment other than way out in the woods or something since the 44 mag would overpenetrate so badly, not to mention the muzzle blast and recoil. Touch that thing off indoors at 3 am and you will be deaf, blind, and will have just shot through the bad guy and about 3 walls beyond him! "I have been to there has been a rule about no ammo allowed in the> same room as the firearms." What plant are you on? All weapons are> loaded. Period! No... i know what you mean, but for example I'll dry-dire a rifle in the gun shop to test the trigger (after checking, double checking, and triple checking it) and it's not like I want to shoot through their wall or window! OTOH, I'd certainly never point it at someone while doing it. But point being, there's a lot of grey area there. You can't just say to never point a gun at somthing you don't want to shoot. What, you want to shoot the floor of your house? You have to choose. -jeff
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Matt Macchiarolo 22 March 2005 18:45:41 [ permanent link ]
	The sound and the picture on that video are offset, the sound is slightly before the picture...First you hear the shot, then you see the recoil. I don't think he shot himself, but I can see the recoil...it happens right when the camera zooms after you hear it. I think the first thing he thought of was "F%$#!" and perhaps part of the floor hit him in the leg. The second thing he probably thought of was applying for a new job. "Rusted" <noEmail@please.com> wrote in message news:QeJ%d.1548$2K.495@fe50.usenetserver.com...> He is a big guy, a 40 doesn't have a lot of recoil, but it should have > some.... Can you see any recoil? even a little?? You don't think the > guy would put a blank in there to give the kids something to think about? > Or what a good stage for an anti-gun activist. After all after he was > shot he did continue with his presentation, seems like it would be a good > time to sit down and lick your wounds. Video seems fishy to me.> "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message > news:24idndN32ZaqeqPfRVn-tg@magma.ca...>> More scary than funny>> http://mmslb.eonstreams.com/b/ccri/tn_memphis/fb3720bvf74bf487ebu/deaclass.wmv>>
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HarryS 23 March 2005 02:03:58 [ permanent link ]
	Yep my 1943 GI issue 45 APC is still the weapon to have I will put it up against any of those sissy guns. SpecOppc is now switching back to the 45 APC round and when it hits something it stays down. When I lived in Louisiana we went to a local silhouette range and they eventually made me stop, the wad cutters were hot loaded and it raises hell on 1/4 " plate. -- HarryS My 2ў "L.W. ("Яill") Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net> wrote in message news:423FB75B.45AC0153@cox.net... \| There really isn't much recoil on 40 caliber semi automatic, most \| of it blows back to eject and reload. It's designed like the 9 mm not to \| go through a flak jacket, like it's not a Real pistol like my 45: \| http://www.billhughes.com/browning.jpg or my 44 Magnum: \| http://www.billhughes.com/44_22.jpg \| "I have been to there has been a rule about no ammo allowed in the \| same room as the firearms." What plant are you on? All weapons are \| loaded. Period! \| God Bless America, Яill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O \| mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com \| \| Rusted wrote: \| > \| > There are too many fishy things wrong with that video. Getting shot and \| > continuing? No aid check you out? Wrong trajectory (good point there), no \| > recoil?? Also the timing of the shot seemed to flow very well with his \| > presentation. Also Bill if you pull a slide of a Glock back far enough to \| > lock it open it will eject the chambered round. \| > Also any of the firearm training classes that I have been to there has been \| > a rule about no ammo allowed in the same room as the firearms. Nothing that \| > I know of requires that to be a rule, but it makes good sense. Accidents do \| > happen all of the time with about every items we own, I just don't think \| > that we witnessed an accident here.
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HarryS 23 March 2005 02:05:19 [ permanent link ]
	Follow the news link it happened. http://www.local6.com/news/4299670/detail.html -- HarryS My 2ў "Rusted" <noEmail@please.com> wrote in message news:QeJ%d.1548$2K.495@fe50.usenetserver.com... \| He is a big guy, a 40 doesn't have a lot of recoil, but it should have \| some.... Can you see any recoil? even a little?? You don't think the guy \| would put a blank in there to give the kids something to think about? Or \| what a good stage for an anti-gun activist. After all after he was shot \| he did continue with his presentation, seems like it would be a good time to \| sit down and lick your wounds. Video seems fishy to me. \| \| \| "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message \| news:24idndN32ZaqeqPfRVn-tg@magma.ca... \| > More scary than funny \| > \| > http://mmslb.eonstreams.com/b/ccri/tn_memphis/fb3720bvf74bf487ebu/deaclass.wmv \| > \| \| \|
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HarryS 23 March 2005 02:10:54 [ permanent link ]
	Follow the link it happened. http://www.local6.com/news/4299670/detail.html -- HarryS My 2ў "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message news:u42dncbc58WQs93fRVn-1Q@comcast.com... \| The sound and the picture on that video are offset, the sound is slightly \| before the picture...First you hear the shot, then you see the recoil. I \| don't think he shot himself, but I can see the recoil...it happens right \| when the camera zooms after you hear it. I think the first thing he thought \| of was "F%$#!" and perhaps part of the floor hit him in the leg. The second \| thing he probably thought of was applying for a new job. \| \| "Rusted" <noEmail@please.com> wrote in message \| news:QeJ%d.1548$2K.495@fe50.usenetserver.com... \| > He is a big guy, a 40 doesn't have a lot of recoil, but it should have \| > some.... Can you see any recoil? even a little?? You don't think the \| > guy would put a blank in there to give the kids something to think about? \| > Or what a good stage for an anti-gun activist. After all after he was \| > shot he did continue with his presentation, seems like it would be a good \| > time to sit down and lick your wounds. Video seems fishy to me. \| > \| > \| > "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message \| > news:24idndN32ZaqeqPfRVn-tg@magma.ca... \| >> More scary than funny \| >> \| >> http://mmslb.eonstreams.com/b/ccri/tn_memphis/fb3720bvf74bf487ebu/deaclass.wmv \| >> \| > \| > \| > \| \|
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L . W . Hughes III 23 March 2005 03:47:27 [ permanent link ]
	LOL God Bless America, Гџill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ HarryS wrote:> Yep my 1943 GI issue 45 APC is still the weapon to have I will put it up> against any of those sissy guns. SpecOppc is now switching back to the 45> APC round and when it hits something it stays down. When I lived in> Louisiana we went to a local silhouette range and they eventually made me> stop, the wad cutters were hot loaded and it raises hell on 1/4 " plate.> --> HarryS My 2Вў
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