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Re: 04 Rubicon
o\|\|\|\|\|\|\|o Ray 10 March 2005 10:22:33
	"Chuck" <chucky@grm.net> wrote in message news:d0mqsi$e26$2@news.netins.net...> Anyone have a link to the 04 Jeep Brochure? My warn bumper in the rear say's for "pulling not towing" - does anyone > know> what's up with that? Sounds like they're trying to cover their butts... What's the best product to cover fender flare scratches? Mud! Ray
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Jeff Hendron 10 March 2005 21:50:22 [ permanent link ]
	o\|\|\|\|\|\|\|o Ray <ray.webb@insightbb.com> wrote: : "Chuck" <chucky@grm.net> wrote in message : news:d0mqsi$e26$2@news.netins.net... :> Anyone have a link to the 04 Jeep Brochure? :> My warn bumper in the rear say's for "pulling not towing" - does anyone :> know :> what's up with that? I have a DayStar Rock Krusher rear bumper on my 03 Rubicon, and it also has a sticker on it that says the built in 2" receiver is for vehicle recovery use only and not for pulling trailers. I would also assume it is to cover their butts since vehicle recovery would potentially put a lot more pull on it than any trailer a Wrangler is rated to pull. : Sounds like they're trying to cover their butts... Jeff Hendron 2003 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon MatrixOne Support Skyjacker 4" lift, JKS Disconnects Agilent Technologies Fabtech Front Bumper, Rock Krusher Rear Bumper Co Springs, Colorado Rock Krusher Rock Rails, Custom Swingout Tire Carrier (719) 531-4319 33x12.50 Goodyear MTR's, Mickey Thompson Classic Lock Wheels jeff_hendron@agilent.com Bush Whacker Fender Flares, Warn XD9000i Winch
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Jerry Bransford 10 March 2005 22:14:49 [ permanent link ]
	Jeff Hendron wrote:> I have a DayStar Rock Krusher rear bumper on my 03 Rubicon, and it also has a> sticker on it that says the built in 2" receiver is for vehicle recovery use> only and not for pulling trailers. I would also assume it is to cover their> butts since vehicle recovery would potentially put a lot more pull on it than> any trailer a Wrangler is rated to pull. That is for sure since trailer towing of the type a Jeep Wrangler is suited for doesn't really put much strain on a bumper. -- Jerry Bransford PP-ASEL N6TAY See the Geezer Jeep at http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
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Mike Romain 10 March 2005 22:19:52 [ permanent link ]
	Have you ever looked at how solid the bumper is bolted on or at what the bumper is bolted on to??? Only a few bolts into a cross member that really isn't very structural for a pull. For towing, you need the hitch bolted onto the frame or major angle bracing to hold the cross member and bumper to the frame tails if you want to have the bumper structurally sound for pulling. They correctly figure you are going to tear it off (stock bumpers with bumper hitches get ripped off all the time in an extraction, it seldom works out of mud) so figure it is safer to have a mud pit missile than a trailer on the highway going it's own way. My $0.02, Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Jeff Hendron wrote:> o\|\|\|\|\|\|\|o Ray <ray.webb@insightbb.com> wrote:> : "Chuck" <chucky@grm.net> wrote in message> : news:d0mqsi$e26$2@news.netins.net...> :> Anyone have a link to the 04 Jeep Brochure?> :> My warn bumper in the rear say's for "pulling not towing" - does anyone> :> know> :> what's up with that?> I have a DayStar Rock Krusher rear bumper on my 03 Rubicon, and it also has a> sticker on it that says the built in 2" receiver is for vehicle recovery use> only and not for pulling trailers. I would also assume it is to cover their> butts since vehicle recovery would potentially put a lot more pull on it than> any trailer a Wrangler is rated to pull.> : Sounds like they're trying to cover their butts...> Jeff Hendron 2003 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon> MatrixOne Support Skyjacker 4" lift, JKS Disconnects> Agilent Technologies Fabtech Front Bumper, Rock Krusher Rear Bumper> Co Springs, Colorado Rock Krusher Rock Rails, Custom Swingout Tire Carrier> (719) 531-4319 33x12.50 Goodyear MTR's, Mickey Thompson Classic Lock Wheels> jeff_hendron@agilent.com Bush Whacker Fender Flares, Warn XD9000i Winch
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Dave Milne 10 March 2005 23:12:18 [ permanent link ]
	True - the factory tow bar has substantial 1/4" angle bracing and bolts onto the frame in 6 places (two each side of the frame rails, and a bolt underneath each side). I wouldn't even give that pathetic piece of sheet metal the dignity of the name "cross member". Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:42308FC8.4EA06B5F@sympatico.ca...> Have you ever looked at how solid the bumper is bolted on or at what the> bumper is bolted on to??? Only a few bolts into a cross member that> really isn't very structural for a pull.> For towing, you need the hitch bolted onto the frame or major angle> bracing to hold the cross member and bumper to the frame tails if you> want to have the bumper structurally sound for pulling.> They correctly figure you are going to tear it off (stock bumpers with> bumper hitches get ripped off all the time in an extraction, it seldom> works out of mud) so figure it is safer to have a mud pit missile than a> trailer on the highway going it's own way.> My $0.02,> Mike> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's> Jeff Hendron wrote:> > o\|\|\|\|\|\|\|o Ray <ray.webb@insightbb.com> wrote:> > : "Chuck" <chucky@grm.net> wrote in message> > : news:d0mqsi$e26$2@news.netins.net...> > :> Anyone have a link to the 04 Jeep Brochure?> > :> My warn bumper in the rear say's for "pulling not towing" - does anyone> > :> know> > :> what's up with that?> > I have a DayStar Rock Krusher rear bumper on my 03 Rubicon, and it also has a> > sticker on it that says the built in 2" receiver is for vehicle recovery only and not for pulling trailers. I would also assume it is to cover their> > butts since vehicle recovery would potentially put a lot more pull on it than> > any trailer a Wrangler is rated to pull.> > : Sounds like they're trying to cover their butts...> > Jeff Hendron 2003 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon> > MatrixOne Support Skyjacker 4" lift, JKS Disconnects> > Agilent Technologies Fabtech Front Bumper, Rock Krusher Rear Bumper> > Co Springs, Colorado Rock Krusher Rock Rails, Custom Swingout Tire Carrier> > (719) 531-4319 33x12.50 Goodyear MTR's, Mickey Thompson Classic Lock Wheels> > jeff_hendron@agilent.com Bush Whacker Fender Flares, Warn XD9000i Winch
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L . W . Hughes III 11 March 2005 00:03:38 [ permanent link ]
	The two inch receiver is designed to use a two inch trailer ball, class III hitch, that supports three thousand pounds of tongue weight, something that would turn your axle into a U. God Bless America, Гџill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ Jeff Hendron wrote:> I have a DayStar Rock Krusher rear bumper on my 03 Rubicon, and it also has a> sticker on it that says the built in 2" receiver is for vehicle recovery use> only and not for pulling trailers. I would also assume it is to cover their> butts since vehicle recovery would potentially put a lot more pull on it than> any trailer a Wrangler is rated to pull.> : Sounds like they're trying to cover their butts...> Jeff Hendron 2003 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon> MatrixOne Support Skyjacker 4" lift, JKS Disconnects> Agilent Technologies Fabtech Front Bumper, Rock Krusher Rear Bumper> Co Springs, Colorado Rock Krusher Rock Rails, Custom Swingout Tire Carrier> (719) 531-4319 33x12.50 Goodyear MTR's, Mickey Thompson Classic Lock Wheels> jeff_hendron@agilent.com Bush Whacker Fender Flares, Warn XD9000i Winch
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Rmcaskey@Comcast.Net 11 March 2005 23:35:35 [ permanent link ]
	are you sure that's not three "hundred" pounds of tongue weight??? martin caskey millers island, maryland L.W. Hughes III (Гџill) wrote:> The two inch receiver is designed to use a two inch trailer ball,> class III hitch, that supports three thousand pounds of tongue weight,> something that would turn your axle into a U.> God Bless America, Гџill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O> mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/> Jeff Hendron wrote:> > I have a DayStar Rock Krusher rear bumper on my 03 Rubicon, and it also has a> > sticker on it that says the built in 2" receiver is for vehicle recovery use> > only and not for pulling trailers. I would also assume it is to cover their> > butts since vehicle recovery would potentially put a lot more pull on it than> > any trailer a Wrangler is rated to pull.> > : Sounds like they're trying to cover their butts...> > Jeff Hendron 2003 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon> > MatrixOne Support Skyjacker 4" lift, JKS Disconnects> > Agilent Technologies Fabtech Front Bumper, Rock Krusher Rear Bumper> > Co Springs, Colorado Rock Krusher Rock Rails, Custom Swingout Tire Carrier> > (719) 531-4319 33x12.50 Goodyear MTR's, Mickey Thompson Classic Lock Wheels> > jeff_hendron@agilent.com Bush Whacker Fender Flares, Warn XD9000i Winch
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L . W . Hughes III 11 March 2005 23:59:16 [ permanent link ]
	You are right: http://www.trailer-hitches.com/ I guess I was thinking half the Gross Vehicle Weight, capacity of a two inch ball God Bless America, Гџill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ "rmcaskey@comcast.net" wrote:> are you sure that's not three "hundred" pounds of tongue weight???> martin caskey> millers island, maryland
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Rmcaskey@Comcast.Net 12 March 2005 00:14:35 [ permanent link ]
	it is fun to think about, though. what would you need to do to a wrangler to allow it to handle a #3000 hitch weight??? martin caskey millers island, maryland L.W. Hughes III (Гџill) wrote:> You are right: http://www.trailer-hitches.com/ I guess I was> thinking half the Gross Vehicle Weight, capacity of a two inch ball> God Bless America, Гџill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O> mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/> "rmcaskey@comcast.net" wrote:> > are you sure that's not three "hundred" pounds of tongue weight???> > martin caskey> > millers island, maryland
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L . W . Hughes III 12 March 2005 00:28:10 [ permanent link ]
	Put the Wrangler tub on a dually: http://www.billhughes.com/rextrans.jpg God Bless America, Гџill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com "rmcaskey@comcast.net" wrote:> it is fun to think about, though. what would you need to do to a> wrangler to allow it to handle a #3000 hitch weight???> > martin caskey> millers island, maryland
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Jeff Hendron 12 March 2005 02:35:42 [ permanent link ]
	I agree with the flimsy material they used across the frame rails in the back. I had 1/4" steel cut the same size and shape as what is already back there welded to the existing one and then have heavy angle bracing on both sides where the frame rails meet the plate in the back. They use the two holes in the frame near the back and two holes that go through the "cross member" and bumper. Jeff Hendron 2003 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon MatrixOne Support Skyjacker 4" lift, JKS Disconnects Agilent Technologies Fabtech Front Bumper, Rock Krusher Rear Bumper Co Springs, Colorado Rock Krusher Rock Rails, Custom Swingout Tire Carrier (719) 531-4319 33x12.50 Goodyear MTR's, Mickey Thompson Classic Lock Wheels jeff_hendron@agilent.com Bush Whacker Fender Flares, Warn XD9000i Winch Yamaha WR250ZF Dave Milne <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote: : True - the factory tow bar has substantial 1/4" angle bracing and bolts onto : the frame in 6 places (two each side of the frame rails, and a bolt : underneath each side). I wouldn't even give that pathetic piece of sheet : metal the dignity of the name "cross member". : Dave Milne, Scotland : '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ : "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message : news:42308FC8.4EA06B5F@sympatico.ca... :> Have you ever looked at how solid the bumper is bolted on or at what the :> bumper is bolted on to??? Only a few bolts into a cross member that :> really isn't very structural for a pull. :> :> For towing, you need the hitch bolted onto the frame or major angle :> bracing to hold the cross member and bumper to the frame tails if you :> want to have the bumper structurally sound for pulling. :> :> They correctly figure you are going to tear it off (stock bumpers with :> bumper hitches get ripped off all the time in an extraction, it seldom :> works out of mud) so figure it is safer to have a mud pit missile than a :> trailer on the highway going it's own way. :> :> My $0.02, :> :> Mike :> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 :> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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Dave Milne 12 March 2005 03:09:40 [ permanent link ]
	It's a good idea. The LandRover rear cross member is a massive channel section effort, which the rear PTO came through. It was a lot more substantial than most bumpers ! -- Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ "Jeff Hendron" <hendron@hpntdpt.cos.agilent.com> wrote in message news:1110580537.214264@cswreg.cos.agilent.com...> I agree with the flimsy material they used across the frame rails in the back.> I had 1/4" steel cut the same size and shape as what is already back there> welded to the existing one and then have heavy angle bracing on both sides> where the frame rails meet the plate in the back. They use the two holes the frame near the back and two holes that go through the "cross member" bumper.> Jeff Hendron 2003 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon> MatrixOne Support Skyjacker 4" lift, JKS Disconnects> Agilent Technologies Fabtech Front Bumper, Rock Krusher Rear Bumper> Co Springs, Colorado Rock Krusher Rock Rails, Custom Swingout Tire Carrier> (719) 531-4319 33x12.50 Goodyear MTR's, Mickey Thompson Classic Lock Wheels> jeff_hendron@agilent.com Bush Whacker Fender Flares, Warn XD9000i Winch> Yamaha WR250ZF> Dave Milne <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:> : True - the factory tow bar has substantial 1/4" angle bracing and bolts onto> : the frame in 6 places (two each side of the frame rails, and a bolt> : underneath each side). I wouldn't even give that pathetic piece of sheet> : metal the dignity of the name "cross member".> : Dave Milne, Scotland> : '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ> : "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message> : news:42308FC8.4EA06B5F@sympatico.ca...> :> Have you ever looked at how solid the bumper is bolted on or at what :> bumper is bolted on to??? Only a few bolts into a cross member that> :> really isn't very structural for a pull.> :>> :> For towing, you need the hitch bolted onto the frame or major angle> :> bracing to hold the cross member and bumper to the frame tails if you> :> want to have the bumper structurally sound for pulling.> :>> :> They correctly figure you are going to tear it off (stock bumpers with> :> bumper hitches get ripped off all the time in an extraction, it seldom> :> works out of mud) so figure it is safer to have a mud pit missile than :> trailer on the highway going it's own way.> :>> :> My $0.02,> :>> :> Mike> :> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00> :> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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Mike Romain 12 March 2005 04:26:01 [ permanent link ]
	I have to replace mine due to a pull with my bumper hitch and a strap that turned out to be a tow strap, not a snatch strap so it came up hard. Yanked the freaking cross member loose and it was only a YJ stuck in a snow bank! Got bailing wire holding it on right now...... I am going structurally strong with the cross member then I can add my spare tire carrier to it. Mike Dave Milne wrote:> It's a good idea. The LandRover rear cross member is a massive channel> section effort, which the rear PTO came through. It was a lot more> substantial than most bumpers !> --> Dave Milne, Scotland> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ> "Jeff Hendron" <hendron@hpntdpt.cos.agilent.com> wrote in message> news:1110580537.214264@cswreg.cos.agilent.com...> > I agree with the flimsy material they used across the frame rails in the> back.> > I had 1/4" steel cut the same size and shape as what is already back there> > welded to the existing one and then have heavy angle bracing on both sides> > where the frame rails meet the plate in the back. They use the two holes> in> > the frame near the back and two holes that go through the "cross member"> and> > bumper.> > Jeff Hendron 2003 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon> > MatrixOne Support Skyjacker 4" lift, JKS Disconnects> > Agilent Technologies Fabtech Front Bumper, Rock Krusher Rear Bumper> > Co Springs, Colorado Rock Krusher Rock Rails, Custom Swingout Tire> Carrier> > (719) 531-4319 33x12.50 Goodyear MTR's, Mickey Thompson> Classic Lock Wheels> > jeff_hendron@agilent.com Bush Whacker Fender Flares, Warn XD9000i Winch> > Yamaha WR250ZF> > Dave Milne <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:> > : True - the factory tow bar has substantial 1/4" angle bracing and bolts> onto> > : the frame in 6 places (two each side of the frame rails, and a bolt> > : underneath each side). I wouldn't even give that pathetic piece of sheet> > : metal the dignity of the name "cross member".> > : Dave Milne, Scotland> > : '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ> > : "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message> > : news:42308FC8.4EA06B5F@sympatico.ca...> > :> Have you ever looked at how solid the bumper is bolted on or at what> the> > :> bumper is bolted on to??? Only a few bolts into a cross member that> > :> really isn't very structural for a pull.> > :>> > :> For towing, you need the hitch bolted onto the frame or major angle> > :> bracing to hold the cross member and bumper to the frame tails if you> > :> want to have the bumper structurally sound for pulling.> > :>> > :> They correctly figure you are going to tear it off (stock bumpers with> > :> bumper hitches get ripped off all the time in an extraction, it seldom> > :> works out of mud) so figure it is safer to have a mud pit missile than> a> > :> trailer on the highway going it's own way.> > :>> > :> My $0.02,> > :>> > :> Mike> > :> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00> > :> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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L . W . Hughes III 12 March 2005 05:00:45 [ permanent link ]
	Real Jeeps triangulate their frame for strength: http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Photos/Literature/Manual/1957ManualLubricationChart.gif Of course they were made to work, not just go to the mall: http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Photos/Farm/KW1706Versatility.JPG God Bless America, Гџill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ Mike Romain wrote:> I have to replace mine due to a pull with my bumper hitch and a strap> that turned out to be a tow strap, not a snatch strap so it came up> hard. Yanked the freaking cross member loose and it was only a YJ stuck> in a snow bank! Got bailing wire holding it on right now......> I am going structurally strong with the cross member then I can add my> spare tire carrier to it.> Mike
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Dave Milne 12 March 2005 05:24:05 [ permanent link ]
	Real Jeeps were made out of shitty post war steel, and have a reputation for cracking their frames. LandRover at least recognised this and made them out of thicker steel... Have you tried drilling a hole in a TJ's frame ? Better dig out your cobalt ... it may not be so thick, but it's really hard. Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ "L.W. (Яill) Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net> wrote in message news:42323F3D.564BF002@cox.net...> Real Jeeps triangulate their frame for strength:> http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Photos/Literature/Manual/1957ManualLubricationChart.gif> Of course they were made to work, not just go to the mall:> http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Photos/Farm/KW1706Versatility.JPG> God Bless America, Яill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O> mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/> Mike Romain wrote:> > I have to replace mine due to a pull with my bumper hitch and a strap> > that turned out to be a tow strap, not a snatch strap so it came up> > hard. Yanked the freaking cross member loose and it was only a YJ stuck> > in a snow bank! Got bailing wire holding it on right now......> > I am going structurally strong with the cross member then I can add my> > spare tire carrier to it.> > Mike
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Jerry Bransford 12 March 2005 05:36:42 [ permanent link ]
	Not only were the CJ's frames not very thick, they were also 'C' channel designs that weren't boxed. The TJ's boxed frame is a far stronger boxed channel design made from heavier-gauge steel. Of course Bill will invent some reason why a thinner-lighter gauge steel frame that isn't fully boxed is stronger than a boxed-channel design with a heavier gauges steel. Dave Milne wrote:> Real Jeeps were made out of shitty post war steel, and have a reputation for> cracking their frames. LandRover at least recognised this and made them out> of thicker steel... Have you tried drilling a hole in a TJ's frame ? Better> dig out your cobalt ... it may not be so thick, but it's really hard.> Dave Milne, Scotland> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ> "L.W. (Гџill) Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net> wrote in message> news:42323F3D.564BF002@cox.net...> Real Jeeps triangulate their frame for strength:>> http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Photos/Literature/Manual/1957ManualLubricationChart.gif> Of course they were made to work, not just go to the mall:>>http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Photos/Farm/KW1706Versatility.JPG>> God Bless America, Гџill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O>>mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/>> Mike Romain wrote:>> I have to replace mine due to a pull with my bumper hitch and a strap>>>that turned out to be a tow strap, not a snatch strap so it came up>>>hard. Yanked the freaking cross member loose and it was only a YJ stuck>>>in a snow bank! Got bailing wire holding it on right now......>>> I am going structurally strong with the cross member then I can add my>>>spare tire carrier to it.>>> Mike> -- Jerry Bransford PP-ASEL N6TAY See the Geezer Jeep at http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
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Mike Romain 12 March 2005 05:47:17 [ permanent link ]
	Well I am not Bill, but when they changed from the C channel to the double C or boxed frame on the CJ they screwed up big time. The design is meant to flex like an open C can, when the boxed it they all crack in front of the rear passenger spring and in back of the front drivers spring. They also rot out bad from dirt and mud that collects inside. TJ's aren't old enough to be able to tell what time will..... YJ's still rot out from collected crap bad like the CJ's... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Jerry Bransford wrote:> Not only were the CJ's frames not very thick, they were also 'C' channel> designs that weren't boxed. The TJ's boxed frame is a far stronger> boxed channel design made from heavier-gauge steel. Of course Bill will> invent some reason why a thinner-lighter gauge steel frame that isn't> fully boxed is stronger than a boxed-channel design with a heavier> gauges steel.> Dave Milne wrote:> > Real Jeeps were made out of shitty post war steel, and have a reputation for> > cracking their frames. LandRover at least recognised this and made them out> > of thicker steel... Have you tried drilling a hole in a TJ's frame ? Better> > dig out your cobalt ... it may not be so thick, but it's really hard.> > Dave Milne, Scotland> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ> > "L.W. (Гџill) Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net> wrote in message> > news:42323F3D.564BF002@cox.net...> > Real Jeeps triangulate their frame for strength:> >> http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Photos/Literature/Manual/1957ManualLubricationChart.gif> > Of course they were made to work, not just go to the mall:> >>http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Photos/Farm/KW1706Versatility.JPG> >> God Bless America, Гџill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O> >>mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/> >> Mike Romain wrote:> >> I have to replace mine due to a pull with my bumper hitch and a strap> >>>that turned out to be a tow strap, not a snatch strap so it came up> >>>hard. Yanked the freaking cross member loose and it was only a YJ stuck> >>>in a snow bank! Got bailing wire holding it on right now......> >>> I am going structurally strong with the cross member then I can add my> >>>spare tire carrier to it.> >>> Mike> > --> Jerry Bransford> PP-ASEL N6TAY> See the Geezer Jeep at> http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
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L . W . Hughes III 12 March 2005 08:02:13 [ permanent link ]
	Hi Mike, And all commercial trucks like Real Jeeps still use the channel frame for their strength and flexibility, and durability to surpass a million miles are important: http://www.truckertotrucker.com/listings/3073.htm click on end view to confirm. God Bless America, Гџill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ Mike Romain wrote:> Well I am not Bill, but when they changed from the C channel to the> double C or boxed frame on the CJ they screwed up big time.> The design is meant to flex like an open C can, when the boxed it they> all crack in front of the rear passenger spring and in back of the front> drivers spring. They also rot out bad from dirt and mud that collects> inside.> TJ's aren't old enough to be able to tell what time will..... YJ's> still rot out from collected crap bad like the CJ's...> Mike> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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