emissions crap on an 89YJ

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emissions crap on an 89YJ
Pi-eyed Piper 8 March 2005 21:36:50
	I have an 89YJ, 4.2L I'm installing a carb from a 70's CJ and ditching the emissions crap...question is, there are 2 vaccuum solenoids on the firewall above the valve cover and 3 on the valve cover, what are these for and can I ditch them too? thanks
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Mike Romain 8 March 2005 22:20:21 [ permanent link ]
	They are all garbage and you can keep the stock Weber-Carter BBD that's on there too if you want and still toss the emissions computer. To physically toss the computer, you have to wire the tach direct. Here are the directions for killing the computer for a sweet 25%+ seat of the pants power boost. http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/ignmods.htm It can still pass emissions tuned manually. I kept the vacuum for the PCV and canister (important), EGR, distributor and air filter flaps working, all the rest is garbage. If your stock carb is giving you fits, check this link to make it purr.... http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/carter.html I don't see how you can use a 70's carb on it, they were 1 BBL, the newer ones are 2 BBL so you would have to change the intake too. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Pi-eyed Piper wrote:> I have an 89YJ, 4.2L> I'm installing a carb from a 70's CJ and ditching the emissions> crap...question is, there are 2 vaccuum solenoids on the firewall above the> valve cover and 3 on the valve cover, what are these for and can I ditch> them too?> thanks
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Pi-eyed Piper 8 March 2005 23:42:32 [ permanent link ]
	C6137 - P#, autolite carb from Napa. Same thing no emissions stuff "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:422DECE5.5F0DEA55@sympatico.ca...> They are all garbage and you can keep the stock Weber-Carter BBD that's> on there too if you want and still toss the emissions computer.> To physically toss the computer, you have to wire the tach direct. Here> are the directions for killing the computer for a sweet 25%+ seat of the> pants power boost.> http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/ignmods.htm> It can still pass emissions tuned manually. I kept the vacuum for the> PCV and canister (important), EGR, distributor and air filter flaps> working, all the rest is garbage.> If your stock carb is giving you fits, check this link to make it> purr....> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/carter.html> I don't see how you can use a 70's carb on it, they were 1 BBL, the> newer ones are 2 BBL so you would have to change the intake too.> Mike> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's> Pi-eyed Piper wrote:> > I have an 89YJ, 4.2L> > I'm installing a carb from a 70's CJ and ditching the emissions> > crap...question is, there are 2 vaccuum solenoids on the firewall above valve cover and 3 on the valve cover, what are these for and can I ditch> > them too?> > thanks
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Mike Romain 9 March 2005 00:06:04 [ permanent link ]
	Your mileage may vary on the EGR. It is easy enough to try it with and without but the smog cops want an EGR for sure and mine had to pass up to this year. The engine cam is also designed for an EGR. I found with my setup running ported vacuum the EGR caused a bad delay in the gas pedal response or bog. I have some delay now because I just had to have it's last smog so I am set manifold vacuum for the distributor and the timing dropped a couple degrees with the EGR in place. I am going away this weekend and am going to switch the timing back to ported and kill the EGR first. It makes a major difference in throttle punch. I also use two new wires when putting the computer to sleep rather than mess inside the wiring harness. It's easier. Is your current carb dead, a kit is only $20.00? Mike Pi-eyed Piper wrote:> 78 is 2 barrel I think. I still need the EGR?> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message> news:422DECE5.5F0DEA55@sympatico.ca...> > They are all garbage and you can keep the stock Weber-Carter BBD that's> > on there too if you want and still toss the emissions computer.> > To physically toss the computer, you have to wire the tach direct. Here> > are the directions for killing the computer for a sweet 25%+ seat of the> > pants power boost.> > http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/ignmods.htm> > It can still pass emissions tuned manually. I kept the vacuum for the> > PCV and canister (important), EGR, distributor and air filter flaps> > working, all the rest is garbage.> > If your stock carb is giving you fits, check this link to make it> > purr....> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/carter.html> > I don't see how you can use a 70's carb on it, they were 1 BBL, the> > newer ones are 2 BBL so you would have to change the intake too.> > Mike> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's> > Pi-eyed Piper wrote:> > > I have an 89YJ, 4.2L> > > I'm installing a carb from a 70's CJ and ditching the emissions> > > crap...question is, there are 2 vaccuum solenoids on the firewall above> the> > > valve cover and 3 on the valve cover, what are these for and can I ditch> > > them too?> > > thanks
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Pi-eyed Piper 9 March 2005 01:42:03 [ permanent link ]
	My old carb is a rattlebox. I figure I'll keep the old one and rebuild it for the experience. So im not going to kill or blow anything up taking the EGR off...thats good. In Alberta we're all rednecks and dont have emissions testing, yet. thanks Mike "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:422E05AC.94A1EA9D@sympatico.ca...> Your mileage may vary on the EGR. It is easy enough to try it with and> without but the smog cops want an EGR for sure and mine had to pass up> to this year. The engine cam is also designed for an EGR.> I found with my setup running ported vacuum the EGR caused a bad delay> in the gas pedal response or bog. I have some delay now because I just> had to have it's last smog so I am set manifold vacuum for the> distributor and the timing dropped a couple degrees with the EGR in> place. I am going away this weekend and am going to switch the timing> back to ported and kill the EGR first. It makes a major difference in> throttle punch. > I also use two new wires when putting the computer to sleep rather than> mess inside the wiring harness. It's easier.> Is your current carb dead, a kit is only $20.00?> Mike> Pi-eyed Piper wrote:> > 78 is 2 barrel I think. I still need the EGR?> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message> > news:422DECE5.5F0DEA55@sympatico.ca...> > > They are all garbage and you can keep the stock Weber-Carter BBD that's> > > on there too if you want and still toss the emissions computer.> > > To physically toss the computer, you have to wire the tach direct. Here> > > are the directions for killing the computer for a sweet 25%+ seat of pants power boost.> > > http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/ignmods.htm> > > It can still pass emissions tuned manually. I kept the vacuum for the> > > PCV and canister (important), EGR, distributor and air filter flaps> > > working, all the rest is garbage.> > > If your stock carb is giving you fits, check this link to make it> > > purr....> > > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/carter.html> > > I don't see how you can use a 70's carb on it, they were 1 BBL, the> > > newer ones are 2 BBL so you would have to change the intake too.> > > Mike> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's> > > Pi-eyed Piper wrote:> > > > I have an 89YJ, 4.2L> > > > I'm installing a carb from a 70's CJ and ditching the emissions> > > > crap...question is, there are 2 vaccuum solenoids on the firewall above> > the> > > > valve cover and 3 on the valve cover, what are these for and can I ditch> > > > them too?> > > > thanks
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Pi-eyed Piper 9 March 2005 01:42:46 [ permanent link ]
	No emissions testing in alberta "83 CJ" <erik.leuschner@us.army.mil> wrote in message news:1110317839.422240.111060@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...> Pi-eyed Piper wrote:> > C6137 - P#, autolite carb from Napa. Same thing no emissions stuff> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message> > news:422DECE5.5F0DEA55@sympatico.ca...> > > They are all garbage and you can keep the stock Weber-Carter BBD> that's> > > on there too if you want and still toss the emissions computer.> > > To physically toss the computer, you have to wire the tach direct.> Here> > > are the directions for killing the computer for a sweet 25%+ seat> of the> > > pants power boost.> > > http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/ignmods.htm> > > It can still pass emissions tuned manually. I kept the vacuum for> the> > > PCV and canister (important), EGR, distributor and air filter flaps> > > working, all the rest is garbage.> > > If your stock carb is giving you fits, check this link to make it> > > purr....> > > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/carter.html> > > I don't see how you can use a 70's carb on it, they were 1 BBL, the> > > newer ones are 2 BBL so you would have to change the intake too.> > > Mike> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's> > > Pi-eyed Piper wrote:> > > > I have an 89YJ, 4.2L> > > > I'm installing a carb from a 70's CJ and ditching the emissions> > > > crap...question is, there are 2 vaccuum solenoids on the firewall> above> > the> > > > valve cover and 3 on the valve cover, what are these for and can> I ditch> > > > them too?> > > > thanks> I've got to warn about this too. I did an engine swap on a CJ while I> was in CO. When I moved to CA and tried to get it smoged I ended up> spending a couple of thousand dollars buying all the obsolete smog> parts and getting it to pass. The referee kept failing me and aksing> if I had taken it to a certified smog technition. I finally got the> hint and took it in. Once I paid the smog tech about $1k and showed to> receipt to the ref, he passed me. What a racket!!> Anyway, think hard about this. If you do make the swap, keep ALL the> old parts in case you have to put them back on.> My $.02>
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L . W . Hughes III 9 March 2005 01:50:33 [ permanent link ]
	http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/list.htm God Bless America, Гџill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ Pi-eyed Piper wrote:> I have an 89YJ, 4.2L> I'm installing a carb from a 70's CJ and ditching the emissions> crap...question is, there are 2 vaccuum solenoids on the firewall above the> valve cover and 3 on the valve cover, what are these for and can I ditch> them too?> thanks
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L . W . Hughes III 9 March 2005 02:00:34 [ permanent link ]
	You were knocking on wood, right? God Bless America, Гџill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ Pi-eyed Piper wrote:> No emissions testing in alberta
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Pi-eyed Piper 9 March 2005 02:09:53 [ permanent link ]
	They're (the gov) to busy worrying about homosexuals getting married to worry about the enviroment. "L.W. (Яill) Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net> wrote in message news:422E2082.ABA1BD3E@cox.net...> You were knocking on wood, right?> God Bless America, Яill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O> mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/> Pi-eyed Piper wrote:> > No emissions testing in alberta
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Snow 9 March 2005 02:34:09 [ permanent link ]
	It will arrive soon, its a great little money grab for the Government coffers, allows even more raises. Keep all the stuff you remove in a box, just incase. Snow... "Pi-eyed Piper" <no@way.com> wrote in message news:RopXd.12790$gJ3.1006@clgrps13...> They're (the gov) to busy worrying about homosexuals getting married to> worry about the enviroment.> "L.W. (Яill) Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net> wrote in message> news:422E2082.ABA1BD3E@cox.net...>> You were knocking on wood, right?>> God Bless America, Яill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O>> mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/>> Pi-eyed Piper wrote:>> > No emissions testing in alberta>
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Pi-eyed Piper 9 March 2005 02:52:06 [ permanent link ]
	I think If it came to that I'd just find a 4.0L and put it in "Snow" <snowbal@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:BLpXd.19813$JH1.799436@news20.bellglobal.com...> It will arrive soon, its a great little money grab for the Government> coffers, allows even more raises.> Keep all the stuff you remove in a box, just incase.> Snow...> "Pi-eyed Piper" <no@way.com> wrote in message> news:RopXd.12790$gJ3.1006@clgrps13...> > They're (the gov) to busy worrying about homosexuals getting married to> > worry about the enviroment.> > "L.W. (Яill) Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net> wrote in message> > news:422E2082.ABA1BD3E@cox.net...> >> You were knocking on wood, right?> >> God Bless America, Яill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O> >> mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/> >> Pi-eyed Piper wrote:> >> > No emissions testing in alberta> >
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Mike Romain 9 March 2005 02:57:44 [ permanent link ]
	After the fiasco the Ontario system has become, I can't see any other province stupid enough to do it, but hey..... I love the report on the test car they used. It passed at something like 60% of the places and needed $500.00 repairs at the rest. At least my 86 CJ7 won't need another test, but here in Ontario Canada it is a utility vehicle and only needs the EGR, PCV, gas cap and air filter flaps to pass. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Snow wrote:> It will arrive soon, its a great little money grab for the Government> coffers, allows even more raises.> Keep all the stuff you remove in a box, just incase.> Snow...> "Pi-eyed Piper" <no@way.com> wrote in message> news:RopXd.12790$gJ3.1006@clgrps13...> > They're (the gov) to busy worrying about homosexuals getting married to> > worry about the enviroment.> > "L.W. (Гџill) Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net> wrote in message> > news:422E2082.ABA1BD3E@cox.net...> >> You were knocking on wood, right?> >> God Bless America, Гџill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O> >> mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/> >> Pi-eyed Piper wrote:> >> > No emissions testing in alberta> >
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Snow 9 March 2005 16:54:34 [ permanent link ]
	Kyoto (sp??) accord will dictate all, depends on what Martin decides to do. As for the e-test here (Ontario) yep its a joke and is purely only still happening cause of the cash it makes the Gov't, The garages don't make squat on it, they only make money on repairs. That may all change if Dalton "Bates" brings back photo radar its a bigger cash cow the e-tests. Snow... "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:422E2DE8.18629DB@sympatico.ca...> After the fiasco the Ontario system has become, I can't see any other> province stupid enough to do it, but hey.....> I love the report on the test car they used. It passed at something> like 60% of the places and needed $500.00 repairs at the rest.> At least my 86 CJ7 won't need another test, but here in Ontario Canada> it is a utility vehicle and only needs the EGR, PCV, gas cap and air> filter flaps to pass.> Mike> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's> Snow wrote:>> It will arrive soon, its a great little money grab for the Government>> coffers, allows even more raises.>> Keep all the stuff you remove in a box, just incase.>> Snow...>> "Pi-eyed Piper" <no@way.com> wrote in message>> news:RopXd.12790$gJ3.1006@clgrps13...>> > They're (the gov) to busy worrying about homosexuals getting married to>> > worry about the enviroment.>> > "L.W. (Яill) Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net> wrote in message>> > news:422E2082.ABA1BD3E@cox.net...>> >> You were knocking on wood, right?>> >> God Bless America, Яill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O>> >> mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/>> >> Pi-eyed Piper wrote:>> >> > No emissions testing in alberta>> >
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