Thanks,>

John

I've got a 225 v-6 with a strange problem- anyone out there well-versed> with this motor and wants to offer advice?>

Thanks,>

John

Is it the odd fire or the V6?>

Mike> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's>

JohnM wrote:>>

Old Farts ??? hmmmmm Bill ??> ­> Snow...

Old Farts ??? hmmmmm Bill ??> ­> Snow...

Wow ...now those are some fat tires. Out of curiousity, Bill ...did you by> chance know any of the High Rollers crew from (mostly) central Canada? They> went down to lots of areas in the US around the 70's-80's and competed in a> lot of mud-races (mostly running heavily modified CJ's).>

"L.W. (Гџill) Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net­> wrote in message> news:422E3998.80600­D3E@cox.net...> > I had the fastest Civilian Jeep V6, Crower, Holley, Edelbrock, TRW> > pop-ups, Hookers, Scheifer, ported, polished, and CC'd:> > http://www.billhugh­es.com/jeep68sand.jp­g and> > http://www.billhugh­es.com/jeep68sand2.j­pg BUT I kept getting stomped by

You should toss out the question, there are a some old farts on this> board that still know some things about the old beasts... ­>

Is it the odd fire or the V6?>

Mike> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's>

JohnM wrote:>

But a V6 isn't an odd fire......>

Mike

Mike Romain wrote:> >

The point, Bill, is that the 225 is available in both the Odd Fire and Even> Fire versions.>

All Odd Fires are V6s, but all V6s are not Odd Fires.>

"L.W. (Гџill) Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net­> wrote in message> news:4230B00C.9C817­7D5@cox.net...> > Hi Mike,> > That's what makes the V6 an odd fire, the first designs were just a> > V8 with a couple of cylinders lobed off. The crank is quartered.> > God Bless America, Гџill O|||||||O> > mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/> >

The point, Bill, is that the 225 is available in both the Odd Fire and Even> Fire versions.>

All Odd Fires are V6s, but all V6s are not Odd Fires.

Mike>

Jeff Strickland wrote:> >

Jeff Strickland wrote:> >

Bill, you have an uncanny ability to miss the Very First Post, and> subsequently throw out crap that is completely beside the point.>

The OP asked if anybody knows about the 225. Period. I was the very first> responder, and TOLD him that we need to know which 225 he had, the Even Fire> or the Odd Fire.>

Because we are talking about a Jeep, and we all know that the 225 V6 is a> popular engine of the early Jeeps, and both the even and the odd fires can> be used interchangably, and there has been several decades where the engine> could have been swapped by a previous owner, and we have no clue as to the> actual history of the Jeep we are talking about, it is a very real> possibility that either might be installed into the Jeep we are talking> about.>

We don't know what the OPs question is because he hasn't actually asked one> yet, other than, "are there any gurus out there?" It is highly likely that> the problem he has is related to having an even fire motor and an odd fire> distributor, or vice versa. Surely the distributor caps would not be> interchangeable on the distributor itself, but the distributors might be> able to be wrongly installed into the different motors.>

The distributor uses points, and if the wrong points were used by mistake,> then the motor wouldn't run.>

The only question asked to date is, "are there any gurus out there?" The> answer appears to be, yes, but sadly it isn't me. I only know a very few> things, but I know that the even fire and the odd fire are different and can> not be mixed. That is, the parts might fit or appear to fit, but they will> not work right.>

"L.W. (Гџill) Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net­> wrote in message> news:4230C27E.71339­8D0@cox.net...> > That's why I used the term "first". Actually, when I use the term> > "odd fire" the original Buick V6 bought by Kaiser, is the only engine I> > think of! That of course, is NOT the later Chevrolet engine.> > UNDERSTAND?????> > God Bless America, Гџill O|||||||O> > mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com http://www.billhugh­es.com/> >

Jeff Strickland wrote:>>

Who fucking cares, Bill?>

The question remains, are there any 225 gurus out there? We still don't know> if he is haveing trouble with an even fire or an odd fire, which I explained> in Reader's Digest form on the very first response to the Original Post.

The Original Post was put up by a guy named John. Let me quote,>

<quote>> I've got a 225 v-6 with a strange problem- anyone out there well-versed> with this motor and wants to offer advice?>

Thanks,>

John> </quote>>

I don't know who Ben is. But I was the very first to Reply.>

<quote>> What's the question?>

There are two versions of that motor, and you must know which version you> have. One is actually a V6, the other is a V8 with 2 cylinders chopped off.> The first is called the 225 Even Fire, the other is the 225 Odd Fire.>

You can tell which you have by looking at the distributor, there is space> for 8 plug wires on the Odd Fire motor, so there is a visible gap in two> locations where the plug wires are missing. The Even Fire motor uses a> distributor cap that has only 6 plug wires that are all evenly spaced.> </quote>>

When you can find any fault in this, please do not hesitate to speak up.> Until then you will remain, Captain Beside-the-Point.

What's the question?>

There are two versions of that motor, and you must know which version > you have. One is actually a V6, the other is a V8 with 2 cylinders > chopped off. The first is called the 225 Even Fire, the other is the 225 > Odd Fire.>

You can tell which you have by looking at the distributor, there is > space for 8 plug wires on the Odd Fire motor, so there is a visible gap > in two locations where the plug wires are missing. The Even Fire motor > uses a distributor cap that has only 6 plug wires that are all evenly > spaced.>

"JohnM" <eaotis@cbpu.com> wrote in message > news:422dd85c$0$324­1$9a6e19ea@news.news­hosting.com...>

I've got an odd-fire here, I take it to be the original motor but there's > no prooving that in any way that I know. The issue is backfiring in the > intake (from the no. 6 cylinder only) above a particular rpm (rpm is > variable, depending on whether the motor is cold or hot and also on > ambient temperature). I couldn't decide if it was an intake valve hanging > up (or a lifter stuck) or if it was a head gasket- after much monkeying > I've decided on the head gasket. It's still possible that it's either a > valve or lifter, once I get that head off I'll know for sure and will be > able to deal with it.>

If anyone has any information concerning a typical problem this motor has, > it's very welcome and appreciated- so far I've addressed the carb, > distributor (including checking the top bearing, cleaning the cap and > rotor in case of crossfiring), new plug wires (before the issue came > about, but long enough before that I don't suspect the new wires), checked > for induction between wires (with the suspect cyl. plug unhooked and the > wire hooked to another plug to produce the spark necessary to still cause > the inductance), checked for arcing between wires.. rotated the > distributor 120deg. and switched the plug wires back to where they oughta > be (to see if the dist. cam had an issue).. No compression test necessary > to know I've got two cyl. with low comp., put compressed air to the no. 6 > cyl to listen for leakage in the intake and no. 4 but I can't hold the > motor in one spot (auto trans) so that didn't help a lot..>

I think the distributor you describe is the HEI, which is on the 'to get' > list- I've got the breaker point dist. Interestingly, it's not possible to > have a consistent dwell, due to the staggered firing, but it seems to not > affect things much..>

To tell a bit more about this Jeepster, it's a '69 with about 55K on the > odometer. I don't know about the mileage, it might be 155K, but the motor > is strong and has virtually no blowby. It's got the Turbo 400, I think > someone tightened that up before it came to me as it shifts very crisp- > before I put the 16" tires on it'd occasionally chirp a tire when getting > second gear. Factory air too- but the hoses are bad, someday I'll address > that. Overall it's a good machine. Needs a bit of body work, but that > doesn't bother me much.>

Hanging a dual exhaust under this was a real pain- I didn't want to alter > anything important and there really wasn't a lot of available places to > mount stuff. I ended up hanging the mufflers outboard of the frame rails, > behind the rocker panels. There is 3/8" shims between the trans. > crossmember and frame so I pulled one of them from each side and welded a > bracket (to the shim) to come up under the floor pan to hang the mufflers. > Bit of flex pipe on each side mated the pipe from the stock manifolds to > the mufflers, little motor breathes well and sounds nice.>

If anyone's not clear on the odd-fire/even-fire issue this guy describes > it very well->

http://home.off-roa­d.com/~merls_garage/­oddfire.html>

Thanks again,>

John>