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Death Wobble?
Ervin Charles 11 February 2005 07:15:34
	Hey group, I am experiencing a wobble in the front end of my 86 CJ7. It is slight and I don't feel it until I hit about 65 mph. I think it's probably a wheel balance problem but just in case....... What causes the dreaded "Death Wobble" commonly associated with short wheelbase 4X4's? I heard of it and seen it on Jeeps, Broncos and IH Scouts, usually at speeds in the 40-50 mph range, but have never heard a definitive answer on the cause or the fix. I'm sure somebody out there has the answer. Thanks, Charles
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Mhammer8@Nospamyahoo.Com 11 February 2005 17:50:54 [ permanent link ]
	I had a bad case of this in my TJ late last year and the guys here recommended new tires. I went out and got a set and the difference was UNREAL. Like a new Jeep! When I looked at the 4 old ones next to each other, one of them was pretty far from round. Matt
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Ervin Charles 12 February 2005 06:03:34 [ permanent link ]
	Thanks for the replies guys, New Stabilizer and re-balance solved it, looks like every thing else is tight. Appreciate the input. Charles
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Help-Slip-Franklin 30 August 2005 18:47:16 [ permanent link ]
	Over the weekend I bought some home improvement materials from the local DIY place and while bringing them home in a trailer on my 1994YJ 6cyl I started to feel the DW at about 50 mph. Slowed down and it went away. I was too chicken to try again to see if it was the road (ie. rough, pot holes, ect..) or if it was inherent in the design. I'd like to know since I haul firewood with the same rig but usually don't make it over 40 mph when I'm doing that. What is the general consensus on the DW? Thanks H-S-F
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Jerry Bransford 30 August 2005 20:26:47 [ permanent link ]
	DW is sometimes difficult to cure but at least do the two initial suggestions which commonly cure that situation. Get the tires balanced PERFECTLY and then see if anything is loose on your YJ's front-end. I don't recall if a YJ has a front trackbar but if it does, make sure its mounting bolts are tight. An out-of-balance tire or bent wheel is a common trigger for DW. Jerry help-slip-franklin wrote:> Over the weekend I bought some home improvement materials from the local DIY> place and while bringing them home in a trailer on my 1994YJ 6cyl I started> to feel the DW at about 50 mph. Slowed down and it went away. I was too> chicken to try again to see if it was the road (ie. rough, pot holes, ect..)> or if it was inherent in the design. I'd like to know since I haul firewood> with the same rig but usually don't make it over 40 mph when I'm doing that.> What is the general consensus on the DW?> Thanks> H-S-F> -- Jerry Bransford PP-ASEL N6TAY See the Geezer Jeep at http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
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Tf 31 August 2005 00:39:22 [ permanent link ]
	Agree with post, Also (credit to Bill) after all checked out, it was the steering stabilizer...yes it was recently replaced, but there was a dead spot where there was no shock absorbtion, about 1 inch where the wheels would be straight. Buy from advanced auto, not NAPA, they sold me the wrong one... At least it worked on my XJ... Tom "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message news:gN%Qe.6918$ct5.3336@fed1read04...> DW is sometimes difficult to cure but at least do the two initial > suggestions which commonly cure that situation. Get the tires balanced > PERFECTLY and then see if anything is loose on your YJ's front-end. I > don't recall if a YJ has a front trackbar but if it does, make sure its > mounting bolts are tight. An out-of-balance tire or bent wheel is a > common trigger for DW.> Jerry> help-slip-franklin wrote:>> Over the weekend I bought some home improvement materials from the local >> DIY>> place and while bringing them home in a trailer on my 1994YJ 6cyl I >> started>> to feel the DW at about 50 mph. Slowed down and it went away. I was too>> chicken to try again to see if it was the road (ie. rough, pot holes, >> ect..)>> or if it was inherent in the design. I'd like to know since I haul >> firewood>> with the same rig but usually don't make it over 40 mph when I'm doing >> that.>> What is the general consensus on the DW?>> Thanks>> H-S-F>> -- > Jerry Bransford> PP-ASEL N6TAY> See the Geezer Jeep at> http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
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Danny 31 August 2005 02:25:57 [ permanent link ]
	help-slip-franklin wrote:> Over the weekend I bought some home improvement materials from the local DIY> place and while bringing them home in a trailer on my 1994YJ 6cyl I started> to feel the DW at about 50 mph. Slowed down and it went away. I was too> chicken to try again to see if it was the road (ie. rough, pot holes, ect..)> or if it was inherent in the design. I'd like to know since I haul firewood> with the same rig but usually don't make it over 40 mph when I'm doing that.> What is the general consensus on the DW?> Thanks> H-S-F> Did you feel what you thought was a death wobble, or the trailer snaking? A reasonably heavy trailer may well behave under 40mph, but misbehave terribly over 45mph. My (2T) trailer was a real scary thing over 45mph until I fitted a stabiliser. That's not the cure, since something else is causing the trailer to be unstable. Front or rear suspension issues are the problem I think, in my case, but you should be checking tongue weight and trailer issues first if you were actually experiencing snaking. -- Regards, Danny http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site) http://www.dannyscoffee.com (UK advert for my mobile espresso service) http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/European online ordering for Malabar Gold blend) swap Z for above characters in email address to reply
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Jerry Bransford 31 August 2005 03:52:05 [ permanent link ]
	DW is NEVER caused by a bad steering stabilizer, all a steering stabilizer does is to mask the symptoms caused by something else. As soon as that stabilizer wears out from fighting the true root cause of your DW, the DW will return. My other suggestions on checking the tire balance, looking for a loose/bad ball joint, or a loose/bad trackbar bushing or bolt. Once again... and this is a problem I know well... replacing the steering stabilizer to "cure" DW is like placing a band-aid on a melanoma skin cancer. You can't see the cancer but it's still there. Jerry TF wrote:> Agree with post,> Also (credit to Bill) after all checked out, it was the steering > stabilizer...yes it was recently replaced, but there was a dead spot where > there was no shock absorbtion, about 1 inch where the wheels would be > straight.> Buy from advanced auto, not NAPA, they sold me the wrong one...> At least it worked on my XJ...> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message > news:gN%Qe.6918$ct5.3336@fed1read04...> DW is sometimes difficult to cure but at least do the two initial >>suggestions which commonly cure that situation. Get the tires balanced >>PERFECTLY and then see if anything is loose on your YJ's front-end. I >>don't recall if a YJ has a front trackbar but if it does, make sure its >>mounting bolts are tight. An out-of-balance tire or bent wheel is a >>common trigger for DW.>> Jerry>> help-slip-franklin wrote:>> Over the weekend I bought some home improvement materials from the local >>>DIY>>>place and while bringing them home in a trailer on my 1994YJ 6cyl I >>>started>>>to feel the DW at about 50 mph. Slowed down and it went away. I was too>>>chicken to try again to see if it was the road (ie. rough, pot holes, >>>ect..)>>>or if it was inherent in the design. I'd like to know since I haul >>>firewood>>>with the same rig but usually don't make it over 40 mph when I'm doing >>>that.>>>What is the general consensus on the DW?>>>Thanks>>>H-S-F>>> -- >>Jerry Bransford>>PP-ASEL N6TAY>>See the Geezer Jeep at>>http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ > -- Jerry Bransford PP-ASEL N6TAY See the Geezer Jeep at http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
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Tim Bur 1 September 2005 02:08:23 [ permanent link ]
	wrong don't believe it take it off on your jeep and go for a ride on a bumpy road Jerry Bransford wrote: DW is NEVER caused by a bad steering stabilizer, all a steering> stabilizer does is to mask the symptoms caused by something else. As> soon as that stabilizer wears out from fighting the true root cause of> your DW, the DW will return. My other suggestions on checking the tire> balance, looking for a loose/bad ball joint, or a loose/bad trackbar> bushing or bolt.> Once again... and this is a problem I know well... replacing the> steering stabilizer to "cure" DW is like placing a band-aid on a> melanoma skin cancer. You can't see the cancer but it's still there.> Jerry> TF wrote:> > Agree with post,> > Also (credit to Bill) after all checked out, it was the steering> > stabilizer...yes it was recently replaced, but there was a dead spot where> > there was no shock absorbtion, about 1 inch where the wheels would be> > straight.> > Buy from advanced auto, not NAPA, they sold me the wrong one...> > At least it worked on my XJ...> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message> > news:gN%Qe.6918$ct5.3336@fed1read04...> > DW is sometimes difficult to cure but at least do the two initial> >>suggestions which commonly cure that situation. Get the tires balanced> >>PERFECTLY and then see if anything is loose on your YJ's front-end. I> >>don't recall if a YJ has a front trackbar but if it does, make sure its> >>mounting bolts are tight. An out-of-balance tire or bent wheel is a> >>common trigger for DW.> >> Jerry> >> help-slip-franklin wrote:> >> Over the weekend I bought some home improvement materials from the local> >>>DIY> >>>place and while bringing them home in a trailer on my 1994YJ 6cyl I> >>>started> >>>to feel the DW at about 50 mph. Slowed down and it went away. I was too> >>>chicken to try again to see if it was the road (ie. rough, pot holes,> >>>ect..)> >>>or if it was inherent in the design. I'd like to know since I haul> >>>firewood> >>>with the same rig but usually don't make it over 40 mph when I'm doing> >>>that.> >>>What is the general consensus on the DW?> >>>Thanks> >>>H-S-F> >>> --> >>Jerry Bransford> >>PP-ASEL N6TAY> >>See the Geezer Jeep at> >>http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/> > --> Jerry Bransford> PP-ASEL N6TAY> See the Geezer Jeep at> http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
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Dave Milne 1 September 2005 02:22:16 [ permanent link ]
	I think Jerry is right. Mine has leaked out all its oil, and I've not got round to replacing it yet - no wobble at all. I can't see logically why it would do anything other than mask vibrations caused by worn components. Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ "tim bur" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message news:43162A57.214CE1EE@cac.net...> wrong> don't believe it take it off on your jeep and go for a ride on a bumpy road> Jerry Bransford wrote:> DW is NEVER caused by a bad steering stabilizer, all a steering> > stabilizer does is to mask the symptoms caused by something else. As> > soon as that stabilizer wears out from fighting the true root cause of> > your DW, the DW will return. My other suggestions on checking the tire> > balance, looking for a loose/bad ball joint, or a loose/bad trackbar> > bushing or bolt.> > Once again... and this is a problem I know well... replacing the> > steering stabilizer to "cure" DW is like placing a band-aid on a> > melanoma skin cancer. You can't see the cancer but it's still there.> > Jerry> > TF wrote:> > > Agree with post,> > > Also (credit to Bill) after all checked out, it was the steering> > > stabilizer...yes it was recently replaced, but there was a dead spot where> > > there was no shock absorbtion, about 1 inch where the wheels would be> > > straight.> > > Buy from advanced auto, not NAPA, they sold me the wrong one...> > > At least it worked on my XJ...> > > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message> > > news:gN%Qe.6918$ct5.3336@fed1read04...> > > DW is sometimes difficult to cure but at least do the two initial> > >>suggestions which commonly cure that situation. Get the tires balanced> > >>PERFECTLY and then see if anything is loose on your YJ's front-end. I> > >>don't recall if a YJ has a front trackbar but if it does, make sure mounting bolts are tight. An out-of-balance tire or bent wheel is a> > >>common trigger for DW.> > >> Jerry> > >> help-slip-franklin wrote:> > >> Over the weekend I bought some home improvement materials from the local> > >>>DIY> > >>>place and while bringing them home in a trailer on my 1994YJ 6cyl I> > >>>started> > >>>to feel the DW at about 50 mph. Slowed down and it went away. I was chicken to try again to see if it was the road (ie. rough, pot holes,> > >>>ect..)> > >>>or if it was inherent in the design. I'd like to know since I haul> > >>>firewood> > >>>with the same rig but usually don't make it over 40 mph when I'm doing> > >>>that.> > >>>What is the general consensus on the DW?> > >>>Thanks> > >>>H-S-F> > >>> --> > >>Jerry Bransford> > >>PP-ASEL N6TAY> > >>See the Geezer Jeep at> > >>http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/> > > --> > Jerry Bransford> > PP-ASEL N6TAY> > See the Geezer Jeep at> > http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/>
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L . W . Hughes III 1 September 2005 02:44:34 [ permanent link ]
	So take the useless thing off. God Bless America, Гџill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ Dave Milne wrote:> I think Jerry is right. Mine has leaked out all its oil, and I've not got> round to replacing it yet - no wobble at all. I can't see logically why it> would do anything other than mask vibrations caused by worn components.> Dave Milne, Scotland> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
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Terry Jeffrey 3 September 2005 20:21:04 [ permanent link ]
	The death wobble on my 92YJ was caused by a worn drag link joint and a loose track bar mount on the frame side. First thing I did was have the tires rebalanced and replace the steering stablizer. DW remained. I finally took it into a good shop and they were able to pinpoint the cause. Be careful of some so-called "mechanics". I had many recomendations, to include taking off the track bar and the steering stabilizer. Don't take anything off. Everything is on there for a reason. Good luck. Terry "help-slip-franklin" <blacknospam1988@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:Uj_Qe.14293$k32.3883@trnddc08...> Over the weekend I bought some home improvement materials from the local > DIY> place and while bringing them home in a trailer on my 1994YJ 6cyl I > started> to feel the DW at about 50 mph. Slowed down and it went away. I was too> chicken to try again to see if it was the road (ie. rough, pot holes, > ect..)> or if it was inherent in the design. I'd like to know since I haul > firewood> with the same rig but usually don't make it over 40 mph when I'm doing > that.> What is the general consensus on the DW?> Thanks> H-S-F> Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- SPEED RETENTION COMPLETION ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com
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Guest 5 September 2006 04:32:39 [ permanent link ]
	Hi, In response to the dreaded death wobble. Thats why I found this site. It happened to me yesterday while driving back to sacramento from the barrett lake trail. I know my tires are way our of balance, and I noticed a separation in one of the fronts. My tires are 7 ys old 35" boggers which havent been since new. Rims probably bent too. The only reason I am adding to this is that I found out yesterday that airing the tires back down allowed me to drive my bronco back home. Only at about 45 mph. I may have been able to move faster, but if youve experinced the DW you dont want it happening at any hight rate of speed. I may also note that my front end is new, ball joints, steering, steering box, track bar. The tires are the only thing I can figure to be the problem. Ill find out this week. At 15psi on the way to the trail, no problem. No problem at 8psi on trail (obviously), Air up to 20 psi;DW. Ballance all air pressure at 30 psi;Worse. Air back down to 13 in front and 22 in back; Drivable.
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L.W. Hughes III 10 October 2006 07:27:32 [ permanent link ]
	Hi Mike, You miss a lot of the action by being satisfied with nine inch wide, thirty twos, the tempt the hand of fait going twelve inches wide. God Bless America, Bill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ Mike Romain wrote:> How can you folks put up with broken Jeeps so early in their lives?> Losing control on RR tracks is just plain insanity and any vehicle that> does that should be taken off the road.> A steering damper shock is there to make the steering less twitchy when> it hits ruts or rocks or has to do a fast maneuver.> For the Jeep to go into a 'death wobble', something must be broke!> You either have a bad tie rod end, a bad ball joint, a bad wheel> bearing, a bad track bar end, either the bushing or it's ball joint, a> bad bushing on a control arm or a broken belt in a tire, an out of round> tire or a really out of balance tire.> To put a 'bigger' steering shock on is only an attempt to mask the> symptoms of a potentially deadly problem.> Hint: It isn't called 'The Death Wobble' for nothing....> I would be freaking out on the service manager and taking him for a> drive to show him.> I just figured out that in the 10 years I have owned my CJ7, it has> never even 'had' a steering damper shock. There is only an empty tube> there with a rod flopping around inside it.> When I first bought it it was dangerous and unacceptable to drive due to> the death wobble. I said screw that and 'fixed' it by replacing the> worn out steering parts like tie rod ends and ball joints. Never even> thought of changing the steering shock.> My steering is still great....> Mike> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
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L.W. Hughes III 10 October 2006 07:32:40 [ permanent link ]
	Hi John, Familiarize yourself with their names: http://www.billhughes.com/temp/TJalignment.jpg God Bless America, Bill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com John in Vegas wrote:> Fixing the death wobble on my JEEP was easy, getting someone to tell me why it> happened wasnt so easy. It was the link that holds the axle from going side to> side (forgot what they call it). It was the connection at the axle which was> loose. If you catch it early enough, it wont make the bolt hole egg shaped. Just> tighten up the link, if I remember correctly, it takes a big torx.> John in Vegas
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Lloyd Hanning 11 October 2006 06:01:04 [ permanent link ]
	Yep, the dealer said "everything was okay". The stabilizer doesn't look all that big, so maybe a bigger one will help? No, the steering wheel doesn't go goofy, just starts to shake/wobble and it increases if I don't slow down NOW. The one problem is I can't get the jeep to do it all the time. I went out Sunday and my buddy and I took my camcorder with us. I rode over the SAME bumps and RR tracks that a week ago make the jeep go nuts. But I couldn't make it do it no matter what speed or condition I tried! I KNOW my jeep had the "death wobble" many times but my buddy thinks I'm nuts. Now I know what people who get abducted by aliens feel like! Lloyd "batty505" <batuckan505@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1160482755.071710.236810@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...> i'd check your steering stablizer or front shocks.> does the steering wheel get all goofy when you hit a bump as well?> Lloyd Hanning wrote:>> I've got an 04 Rubicon and it goes nuts too when I cross RR tracks or a>> weird bump. Seems it only happens when I'm doing 50 - 60. I have to slow>> down to 30 go keep it under control. The wobble stops, then I can >> continue.>> I've only got 15K on it, and I took it back to the dealer and he said he>> couldn't find anything wrong. I'm thinking about replacing the steering>> damper with a bigger one. Do you think that would help? If so, any>> recommendations on what damper to get?>> Thanks>> Lloyd>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message>> news:461cb$4526f346$422afc51$22255@FUSE.NET...>> > How common is death wobble on a bone stock 2WD XJ?.>> > I have a friend who was trying to describe the XJs recent reaction to>> > crossing the railroad tracks and all I could make of it was death>> > wobble......>> > Am I missing something or what should I be looking at tomorrow?>> > What I know:>> > '96 XJ Classic 2WD, ~90k miles, 4 liter 3 speed automatic,. Kelly>> > Celebrity tires mounted and balanced 2 years ago, not aligned at that>> > time (old tires had no odd wear), condition of shocks unknown, >> > condition>> > of suspension unknown. Brakes and rotors new - DW existed before the>> > brake job)>> > Jeeps seems to be otherwise in good shape the 'dw like' sensation only>> > mentioned as an afterthought within a different conversation last >> > night.>> > I don't know if this is the first instance or a recurring problem. (I>> > suspect it is not a common occurrence on this Jeep as it has never been>> > mentioned before)>> > I will be looking at this over the weekend. Anything in particular, >> > other>> > than the above, that I should look for?>> >
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DougW 11 October 2006 06:13:07 [ permanent link ]
	Lloyd Hanning wrote:> Yep, the dealer said "everything was okay". The stabilizer doesn't> look all that big, so maybe a bigger one will help?> No, the steering wheel doesn't go goofy, just starts to shake/wobble> and it increases if I don't slow down NOW.> The one problem is I can't get the jeep to do it all the time.> I went out Sunday and my buddy and I took my camcorder with us. I> rode over the SAME bumps and RR tracks that a week ago make the jeep> go nuts. But I couldn't make it do it no matter what speed or condition I> tried! I KNOW my jeep had the "death wobble" many times but my buddy> thinks I'm nuts. Now I know what people who get abducted by aliens> feel like! Your buddy was adding weight to the vehicle and that changes how the suspension reacts. The ZJ wouldn't DW with a passenger either. You almost need someone to follow you and have their passenger run the camcorder. (or possibly have them sit directly behind you) Did the dealer check your wheel balance? That's a big cause of DW. -- DougW
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John in Vegas 12 October 2006 08:39:56 [ permanent link ]
	best part about this place is that you will correct me if/when im wrong. nice diagram. And remember, real JEEPs have very few JEEP parts on them, and I think those parts are frame, body and vin tag. John in Vegas "L.W.(Bill) Hughes III" wrote: Hi John,> Familiarize yourself with their names:> http://www.billhughes.com/temp/TJalignment.jpg> God Bless America, Bill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O> mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com> John in Vegas wrote:> > Fixing the death wobble on my JEEP was easy, getting someone to tell me why it> > happened wasnt so easy. It was the link that holds the axle from going side to> > side (forgot what they call it). It was the connection at the axle which was> > loose. If you catch it early enough, it wont make the bolt hole egg shaped. Just> > tighten up the link, if I remember correctly, it takes a big torx.> > John in Vegas
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John in Vegas 12 October 2006 08:54:42 [ permanent link ]
	for all you guys saying the stabilizer, let me say this. I don't have one, my front only shakes because of bent rims, bad tires or something else that is bent or broke. If you have the "DEATH WOBBLE", fix the problem, not cover it up. It WILL get progressively worse! As for the shocks, they would only be dampening an existing problem. John in Vegas batty505 wrote: i'd check your steering stablizer or front shocks.> does the steering wheel get all goofy when you hit a bump as well?> Lloyd Hanning wrote:> > I've got an 04 Rubicon and it goes nuts too when I cross RR tracks or a> > weird bump. Seems it only happens when I'm doing 50 - 60. I have to slow> > down to 30 go keep it under control. The wobble stops, then I can continue.> > I've only got 15K on it, and I took it back to the dealer and he said he> > couldn't find anything wrong. I'm thinking about replacing the steering> > damper with a bigger one. Do you think that would help? If so, any> > recommendations on what damper to get?> > Thanks> > Lloyd> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message> > news:461cb$4526f346$422afc51$22255@FUSE.NET...> > > How common is death wobble on a bone stock 2WD XJ?.> > > I have a friend who was trying to describe the XJs recent reaction to> > > crossing the railroad tracks and all I could make of it was death> > > wobble......> > > Am I missing something or what should I be looking at tomorrow?> > > What I know:> > > '96 XJ Classic 2WD, ~90k miles, 4 liter 3 speed automatic,. Kelly> > > Celebrity tires mounted and balanced 2 years ago, not aligned at that> > > time (old tires had no odd wear), condition of shocks unknown, condition> > > of suspension unknown. Brakes and rotors new - DW existed before the> > > brake job)> > > Jeeps seems to be otherwise in good shape the 'dw like' sensation only> > > mentioned as an afterthought within a different conversation last night.> > > I don't know if this is the first instance or a recurring problem. (I> > > suspect it is not a common occurrence on this Jeep as it has never been> > > mentioned before)> > > I will be looking at this over the weekend. Anything in particular, other> > > than the above, that I should look for?> > >
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John in Vegas 12 October 2006 09:05:55 [ permanent link ]
	Do me a favor and check the track bar (thanks bill), it is loose. Same thing with mine, but if you catch it early enough there wont be too much damage to the bolt holes. John in Vegas Lloyd Hanning wrote: Yep, the dealer said "everything was okay". The stabilizer doesn't look all> that big, so maybe a bigger one will help?> No, the steering wheel doesn't go goofy, just starts to shake/wobble and it> increases if I don't slow down NOW.> The one problem is I can't get the jeep to do it all the time.> I went out Sunday and my buddy and I took my camcorder with us. I rode over> the SAME bumps and RR tracks that a week ago make the jeep go nuts.> But I couldn't make it do it no matter what speed or condition I tried! I> KNOW my jeep had the "death wobble" many times but my buddy thinks I'm nuts.> Now I know what people who get abducted by aliens feel like!> Lloyd> "batty505" <batuckan505@yahoo.com> wrote in message> news:1160482755.071710.236810@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...> > i'd check your steering stablizer or front shocks.> > does the steering wheel get all goofy when you hit a bump as well?> > Lloyd Hanning wrote:> >> I've got an 04 Rubicon and it goes nuts too when I cross RR tracks or a> >> weird bump. Seems it only happens when I'm doing 50 - 60. I have to slow> >> down to 30 go keep it under control. The wobble stops, then I can> >> continue.> >> I've only got 15K on it, and I took it back to the dealer and he said he> >> couldn't find anything wrong. I'm thinking about replacing the steering> >> damper with a bigger one. Do you think that would help? If so, any> >> recommendations on what damper to get?> >> Thanks> >> Lloyd> >> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message> >> news:461cb$4526f346$422afc51$22255@FUSE.NET...> >> > How common is death wobble on a bone stock 2WD XJ?.> >> > I have a friend who was trying to describe the XJs recent reaction to> >> > crossing the railroad tracks and all I could make of it was death> >> > wobble......> >> > Am I missing something or what should I be looking at tomorrow?> >> > What I know:> >> > '96 XJ Classic 2WD, ~90k miles, 4 liter 3 speed automatic,. Kelly> >> > Celebrity tires mounted and balanced 2 years ago, not aligned at that> >> > time (old tires had no odd wear), condition of shocks unknown,> >> > condition> >> > of suspension unknown. Brakes and rotors new - DW existed before the> >> > brake job)> >> > Jeeps seems to be otherwise in good shape the 'dw like' sensation only> >> > mentioned as an afterthought within a different conversation last> >> > night.> >> > I don't know if this is the first instance or a recurring problem. (I> >> > suspect it is not a common occurrence on this Jeep as it has never been> >> > mentioned before)> >> > I will be looking at this over the weekend. Anything in particular,> >> > other> >> > than the above, that I should look for?> >> >
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Matt Macchiarolo 19 October 2006 16:05:39 [ permanent link ]
	Agreed, wifey's 04 TJL has a Mercedes steering box. "John in Vegas" <tj0llll0@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:452DC71C.33753739@yahoo.com...> best part about this place is that you will correct me if/when im wrong. > nice diagram.> And remember, real JEEPs have very few JEEP parts on them, and I think > those parts are> frame, body and vin tag.> John in Vegas> "L.W.(Bill) Hughes III" wrote:> Hi John,>> Familiarize yourself with their names:>> http://www.billhughes.com/temp/TJalignment.jpg>> God Bless America, Bill O\|\|\|\|\|\|\|O>> mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com>> John in Vegas wrote:>> > Fixing the death wobble on my JEEP was easy, getting someone to tell me >> > why it>> > happened wasnt so easy. It was the link that holds the axle from going >> > side to>> > side (forgot what they call it). It was the connection at the axle >> > which was>> > loose. If you catch it early enough, it wont make the bolt hole egg >> > shaped. Just>> > tighten up the link, if I remember correctly, it takes a big torx.>> > John in Vegas>
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