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CarGuru > Jeep Willys > boneheads at jeep corporate 27 January 2005 04:47:51

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Nathan W. Collier 26 January 2005 06:09:18
 first some bonehead down at jeep corporate decides to drop yellow and sienna
from the wranger lineup (if either color were available it would make my
color choice easy. if both were available, id probably flip a coin). next,
some bonehead decides to replace the black top/flares with grey...luckily
that mistake was corrected. in preparing to order my '05 rubicon i finally
decided on another khaki with the black top/interior (just like my '03
http://7slotgrille.­com/reviews/performa­nce/doors/6.jpg ) and when i went
down to make the final order, i found out for '05 some corporate bonehead
decided that you cannot get the khaki wrangler with the black top/interior.
you can get a green jeep (rolling off the same assembly line) with a black
top/interior, but you can only get the khaki top/interior on the khaki jeep.
i cant help but wonder what the hell these people are thinking in making
stupid decisions like this. it just makes no sense why you can get the
black top/interior on EVERY color rubicon except the khaki. if you have
some insight on why this bonehead decision was made, please share.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.­com
http://UtilityOffRo­ad.com


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Jerry Bransford 26 January 2005 06:16:46 permanent link ]
 Is this the same Nathan W. Collier that swore publically MANY times that
he would never buy another Jeep after being sued by DC? Doesn't this
make your second Jeep purchased since making that loud and vociferous
pledge? ;)

Nathan W. Collier wrote:> first some bonehead down at jeep corporate decides to drop yellow and sienna > from the wranger lineup (if either color were available it would make my > color choice easy. if both were available, id probably flip a coin). next, > some bonehead decides to replace the black top/flares with grey...luckily > that mistake was corrected. in preparing to order my '05 rubicon i finally > decided on another khaki with the black top/interior (just like my '03 > http://7slotgrille.­com/reviews/performa­nce/doors/6.jpg ) and when i went > down to make the final order, i found out for '05 some corporate bonehead > decided that you cannot get the khaki wrangler with the black top/interior. > you can get a green jeep (rolling off the same assembly line) with a black > top/interior, but you can only get the khaki top/interior on the khaki jeep. > i cant help but wonder what the hell these people are thinking in making > stupid decisions like this. it just makes no sense why you can get the > black top/interior on EVERY color rubicon except the khaki. if you have > some insight on why this bonehead decision was made, please share.

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Nathan W. Collier 26 January 2005 09:43:04 permanent link ]
 "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message
news:l4DJd.19259$xu­.18295@fed1read05...­> Is this the same Nathan W. Collier that swore publically MANY times that > he would never buy another Jeep after being sued by DC?

im a _jeeper_, and despite my emotional state during that period, no
frog-eyed dc corporate attorney will ever change that.

....now, if youve any insight as to why the black top and interior is
available on all colors except the khaki please share.

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.­com
http://UtilityOffRo­ad.com


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Nathan W. Collier 26 January 2005 09:54:08 permanent link ]
 "Marc" <none@all.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c60be2543­54f497989696@netnews­.mchsi.com...> why was he sued by DC?

the "official" story --> http://movies.utili­tyoffroad.com/videos­/news.wmv

the truth behind the suit goes much deeper and involves an enviro-troll
(whom we have since removed from this newsgroup) and his little frog-eyed
friend. _however_, instead of cluttering up the group with old news id
really just rather know why i cant get a black top and interior on a khaki
rubicon. :-)­

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.­com
http://UtilityOffRo­ad.com


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Griffin 26 January 2005 10:51:06 permanent link ]
 I dunno ...never seen that combo until you posted the pic but I really like
it ...looks great and would probably not show dirt too badly up here in the
salt belt.
....now, if youve any insight as to why the black top and interior is> available on all colors except the khaki please share.


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Jeff 26 January 2005 16:22:13 permanent link ]
 That's a beauty color! I drive an '03 in that color with a black
top....there's one around town with a Tan roof and it jus doesn't look
right...it makes ya wonder what they are thinking?? good luck Nathan...

--
Jeff
'03 TJ & '95 ZJ
For offroad videos check my server @
ftp://24.138.75.11
"griffin" <gryffy@DELTHISshaw­.ca> wrote in message
news:u5HJd.175565$X­k.70301@pd7tw3no...>­ I dunno ...never seen that combo until you posted the pic but I really
like> it ...looks great and would probably not show dirt too badly up here in
salt belt.>
....now, if youve any insight as to why the black top and interior is> > available on all colors except the khaki please share.>


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FrankW 26 January 2005 17:05:42 permanent link ]
 I miss CJ-5

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:> You neglected to mention the pictures of nekkid wimmin on his website, which > D-C, the owner of the trademark "Jeep," objected to.>
"Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.­net> wrote in message > news:RqednUxowbsbmm­rcRVn-3g@ez2.net...>­
He used "jeep" in the URL to his website. DC got a little testy and flexed>>their muscles. I think that today, Nathan could probably fight them and >>win>>because there have been recent rulings that product names in a website are>>not indicators by themselves that consumers can be confused. Basically, DC>>said that consumers will go to Nathan's site and be confused about the>>product offerings.>>
It was more complicated than that, but this is the reader's digest >>version.>>I think DC was WAY off base in their attacks on Nathan, and many others >>for>>that matter.>>
"Marc" <none@all.com> wrote in message>>news:MPG.1­c60be254354f49798969­6@netnews.mchsi.com.­..>>
I'm somewhat new to the group, why was he sued by DC?>>>
In article <l4DJd.19259$xu.182­95@fed1read05>, jerrypb@cox.net says...>>>
Is this the same Nathan W. Collier that swore publically MANY times >>>>that>>>>he would never buy another Jeep after being sued by DC? Doesn't this>>>>make your second Jeep purchased since making that loud and vociferous>>>>pledg­e? ;)>>>>
Nathan W. Collier wrote:>>>>
first some bonehead down at jeep corporate decides to drop yellow and>>
sienna>>
from the wranger lineup (if either color were available it would make>>
color choice easy. if both were available, id probably flip a coin).>>
next,>>
some bonehead decides to replace the black top/flares with>>
grey...luckily>>
that mistake was corrected. in preparing to order my '05 rubicon i>>
finally>>
decided on another khaki with the black top/interior (just like my >>>>>'03>>>>>http:/­/7slotgrille.com/rev­iews/performance/doo­rs/6.jpg ) and when i>>
went>>
down to make the final order, i found out for '05 some corporate>>
bonehead>>
decided that you cannot get the khaki wrangler with the black>>
top/interior.>>
you can get a green jeep (rolling off the same assembly line) with a>>
black>>
top/interior, but you can only get the khaki top/interior on the >>>>>khaki>>
jeep.>>
i cant help but wonder what the hell these people are thinking in>>
making>>
stupid decisions like this. it just makes no sense why you can get>>
black top/interior on EVERY color rubicon except the khaki. if you>>
have>>
some insight on why this bonehead decision was made, please share.>>>>

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Nathan W. Collier 26 January 2005 18:34:01 permanent link ]
 "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.­com> wrote in message
news:hY6dnS4AyOlPDW­rcRVn-qg@comcast.com­...> You neglected to mention the pictures of nekkid wimmin on his website, > which D-C, the owner of the trademark "Jeep," objected to.

smoke and mirrors matt. at one time i was getting requests from levels of
management above those who filed suit. legally it all boiled down to using
"jeep" in the domain.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.­com
http://UtilityOffRo­ad.com


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Jeff Strickland 26 January 2005 21:25:22 permanent link ]
 The "legal" argument was that consumers could be confused that Nathan's site
was somehow to be construed as an official site.




"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.­com> wrote in message
news:hY6dnS4AyOlPDW­rcRVn-qg@comcast.com­...> You neglected to mention the pictures of nekkid wimmin on his website,
which> D-C, the owner of the trademark "Jeep," objected to.>
"Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.­net> wrote in message> news:RqednUxowbsbmm­rcRVn-3g@ez2.net...>­ > He used "jeep" in the URL to his website. DC got a little testy and
flexed> > their muscles. I think that today, Nathan could probably fight them and> > win> > because there have been recent rulings that product names in a website
not indicators by themselves that consumers can be confused. Basically,
said that consumers will go to Nathan's site and be confused about the> > product offerings.> >
It was more complicated than that, but this is the reader's digest> > version.> > I think DC was WAY off base in their attacks on Nathan, and many others> > for> > that matter.> >
"Marc" <none@all.com> wrote in message> > news:MPG.1c60be2543­54f497989696@netnews­.mchsi.com...> >> I'm somewhat new to the group, why was he sued by DC?> >>
In article <l4DJd.19259$xu.182­95@fed1read05>, jerrypb@cox.net says...> >> > Is this the same Nathan W. Collier that swore publically MANY times> >> > that> >> > he would never buy another Jeep after being sued by DC? Doesn't this> >> > make your second Jeep purchased since making that loud and vociferous> >> > pledge? ;)> >> >
Nathan W. Collier wrote:> >> > > first some bonehead down at jeep corporate decides to drop yellow
sienna> >> > > from the wranger lineup (if either color were available it would
make> > my> >> > > color choice easy. if both were available, id probably flip a
coin).> > next,> >> > > some bonehead decides to replace the black top/flares with> > grey...luckily> >> > > that mistake was corrected. in preparing to order my '05 rubicon i> > finally> >> > > decided on another khaki with the black top/interior (just like my> >> > > '03> >> > > http://7slotgrille.­com/reviews/performa­nce/doors/6.jpg ) and when i> > went> >> > > down to make the final order, i found out for '05 some corporate> > bonehead> >> > > decided that you cannot get the khaki wrangler with the black> > top/interior.> >> > > you can get a green jeep (rolling off the same assembly line) with
black> >> > > top/interior, but you can only get the khaki top/interior on the> >> > > khaki> > jeep.> >> > > i cant help but wonder what the hell these people are thinking in> > making> >> > > stupid decisions like this. it just makes no sense why you can get> > the> >> > > black top/interior on EVERY color rubicon except the khaki. if you> > have> >> > > some insight on why this bonehead decision was made, please share.> >> >


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Matt Macchiarolo 27 January 2005 00:30:35 permanent link ]
 Which is the basis of trademark law.

"Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.­net> wrote in message
news:Z7qdnXSA7pbhSG­rcRVn-1Q@ez2.net...>­ The "legal" argument was that consumers could be confused that Nathan's > site> was somehow to be construed as an official site.>
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.­com> wrote in message> news:hY6dnS4AyOlPDW­rcRVn-qg@comcast.com­...>> You neglected to mention the pictures of nekkid wimmin on his website,> which>> D-C, the owner of the trademark "Jeep," objected to.>>
"Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.­net> wrote in message>> news:RqednUxowbsbmm­rcRVn-3g@ez2.net...>­> > He used "jeep" in the URL to his website. DC got a little testy and> flexed>> > their muscles. I think that today, Nathan could probably fight them and>> > win>> > because there have been recent rulings that product names in a website> are>> > not indicators by themselves that consumers can be confused. Basically,> DC>> > said that consumers will go to Nathan's site and be confused about the>> > product offerings.>> >
It was more complicated than that, but this is the reader's digest>> > version.>> > I think DC was WAY off base in their attacks on Nathan, and many others>> > for>> > that matter.>> >
"Marc" <none@all.com> wrote in message>> > news:MPG.1c60be2543­54f497989696@netnews­.mchsi.com...>> >> I'm somewhat new to the group, why was he sued by DC?>> >>
In article <l4DJd.19259$xu.182­95@fed1read05>, jerrypb@cox.net says...>> >> > Is this the same Nathan W. Collier that swore publically MANY times>> >> > that>> >> > he would never buy another Jeep after being sued by DC? Doesn't >> >> > this>> >> > make your second Jeep purchased since making that loud and >> >> > vociferous>> >> > pledge? ;)>> >> >
Nathan W. Collier wrote:>> >> > > first some bonehead down at jeep corporate decides to drop yellow> and>> > sienna>> >> > > from the wranger lineup (if either color were available it would> make>> > my>> >> > > color choice easy. if both were available, id probably flip a> coin).>> > next,>> >> > > some bonehead decides to replace the black top/flares with>> > grey...luckily>> >> > > that mistake was corrected. in preparing to order my '05 rubicon >> >> > > i>> > finally>> >> > > decided on another khaki with the black top/interior (just like my>> >> > > '03>> >> > > http://7slotgrille.­com/reviews/performa­nce/doors/6.jpg ) and when >> >> > > i>> > went>> >> > > down to make the final order, i found out for '05 some corporate>> > bonehead>> >> > > decided that you cannot get the khaki wrangler with the black>> > top/interior.>> >> > > you can get a green jeep (rolling off the same assembly line) with> a>> > black>> >> > > top/interior, but you can only get the khaki top/interior on the>> >> > > khaki>> > jeep.>> >> > > i cant help but wonder what the hell these people are thinking in>> > making>> >> > > stupid decisions like this. it just makes no sense why you can >> >> > > get>> > the>> >> > > black top/interior on EVERY color rubicon except the khaki. if >> >> > > you>> > have>> >> > > some insight on why this bonehead decision was made, please share.>> >> >


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L . W . Hughes III 27 January 2005 03:12:14 permanent link ]
 The Sandman probably sold a couple extra Jeeps:
http://www.billhugh­es.com/hardcorejeep.­jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@­aol.com
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Goat Crapp 27 January 2005 04:47:51 permanent link ]
 He probably could have fought it THEN and won, as well.. (or rather,
sucessfully defended his right to own the site, as it was, with no changes
needed) but thats exactly the problem.. fighting it. DC has staff lawyers..
in fact, a whole, well payed legal department with countless disposable assets
and the willingness to spend a lot more on such things... Often times with
cases like this its not about the right or wrong.. its not about whether it
COLD be fought, but whether it makes sense.

Nathan did exactly what he had to.. he has a family to worry about. the costs
for ongoing trademark cases can easily top 30,000 a month, for just basic
defenses (going by local patent and IP firms i've dealt with in nyc) during
trial and tens of thousands while in the discovery phase before trial...
Nathan had no choice, regardless of the validity of his defense... simply
because companies like DC can afford to be the legal bullies.

As if court is ever won on facts :P­ (OJ? )
I think that today, Nathan could probably fight them and >>>>win>>>>because there have been recent rulings that product names in a website >>>>are>>>>not indicators by themselves that consumers can be confused. Basically, >>>>DC>>>>said that consumers will go to Nathan's site and be confused about the>>>>product offerings.>>>>
It was more complicated than that, but this is the reader's digest >>>>version.
-Steve, former 98 TJ
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Nathan W. Collier 27 January 2005 05:03:01 permanent link ]
 "Goat Crapp" <goatcrapp@aol.comn­ospam> wrote in message
news:20050126194751­.02008.00000275@mb-m­14.aol.com...> He probably could have fought it THEN and won, as well.. (or rather,> sucessfully defended his right to own the site, as it was, with no changes> needed) but thats exactly the problem.. fighting it. DC has staff > lawyers..

you are 100% correct. froggy over at dc legal asked me "mr collier, who do
you think is going to run out of money (for legal expenses) first, you or
daimler chrysler?". it was pure extorsion.

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.­com
http://UtilityOffRo­ad.com


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Brian 27 January 2005 06:51:17 permanent link ]
 I wonder if the dealer would be willing to swap tops for you?

B


In article <10vduuek858hl87@co­rp.supernews.com>,
"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.­com> wrote:
stupid decisions like this. it just makes no sense why you can get the > black top/interior on EVERY color rubicon except the khaki. if you have > some insight on why this bonehead decision was made, please share.

--
Brian Heller

It is easier to tame wild beasts
than to conquer the human mind.
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